Team Tigger International

Ok , I don't see that you did anything wrong here, but what does bother me is the last line of his e-mail to you "Actually I am a little Tired of you and your games " Have you perhaps had some kind of disagreement with him in the past ? I do agree with other posters though that it may be best just to make nice. It wouldn't hurt either of you . Star of Team Tigger International

Thank you all very much for you thoughts on this subject . It is helping me gain a better perspective on the subject , as it did not seem quite "right" to me in the beginning. Star Of Team Tigger International

I was not talking about ones own personal TB , I understand having one that helps keep track of your milage. The Question is about a cacher taking other peoples TB and Logging them multiple times in and out of their own personal caches , then in the process tagging said TB with there own personal tag. At the same time bragging about how many TB's they have found. Plus some of these bugs were placed in a Cache by said cacher that was placed as "TB Hotels" or "TB Convention Center" . I suppose this is acceptable , as its how this cacher wishes to play the game . I am not sure , I was just wishing other's opinions of this practice. Thank you All ! Star of Team Tigger International

We enjoy the Micro's , granted some can be lame , but some traditional caches are lame as well . We have found many micros to be very interesting , even if they are placed to just bring you to an area to enjoy the view or possible history lesson. What is lame to one person may be enchanting to another . So why not stop all the whining and just do the kinds of caches you enjoy ? There is no rule that says a person has to do a micro , or a virtual , or even a locationless if they choose not to . Star has issues with private property caches , so she simply avoids them. We have issues with caches that involve needing special equip. like a boat , ( mostly because we dont have access to one) thus we dont do them . Theres's my 2 cents for what its worth .... Star of Team Tigger International

I pose this Question , How does everyone feel about the logging of a TB in and out of multiple caches that are owed by the cacher ? I am giving an Example here for TB Monkey Bonless : http://www.geocaching.com/track/details.aspx?id=8564

Hey Everyone ! 1/2 of Team Tigger is from North Central Indiana (that would be Star), Topeka , now you all can go "Where the Heck is Topeka, IN?" The other half of us is in Windsor Ontario Canada .

Didn't mean to offend anyone , perhaps someone just got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning ?

Its a Great Idea , there are several CD exchange type caches . Most of the Cd's in these caches have been properly purchased . As far as MP3's go , I know they can be legally downloaded and recorded as well , most for a small charge per song. People have shared and exchanged music for centuries now . It started with the cassette recorder , and the vhs tapes for sharing movies or recording your favorites. I think that most everyone has shared music they have purchased with friends. Star Team Tigger International

High Five to you Lead Dog , I know of at least one cache that you have adopted ! It involves a toad and a wild ride ! There is at least one that is only 5 miles from me that we are presently making an attempt to adopt or at least help repair ourselves . Its in Lagrange County , near Star's house . Oh and please rub Patrick's belly for me . I just love his stories Star

I really like the Idea here , hopefully someone is listening and Geocaching.com will one day make room for it . CRM's fantastic idea . I am pretty sure we can thank MiGo for it as well . Star of Team Tigger International

Thus bringing me back to the other concern with archived caches ... GeoLiter and how to control it. Star of Team Tigger International

One of the Caches in question if anyone should care to have a look at it is this one , it is also the one that started a nasty thread of discussion on the ftwaynegeo group on yahoo.com. Perfectly Perplexing Puzzles The Owner of this Cache states it is disable due to a family of skunks living nearby , and wishes to disable it for a couple of months till the family has moved. Yet under the "rules" it should be archived . I do not know who is right and whom is wrong . There are other instances of caches being disabled then archived by an approver under the rules . One in particular that the owner disabled and was archived then responded by saying "We have been to busy" and "we have not forgotten our caches " and yet they have had time to place a new cache. On another hand , we also are aware of caches placed by another cacher that has decided to give up caching or just plain disaapear , yet his caches are still active . This can all be very confusing at times , but I do however think we need to give approvers a break . How do they know if and when a cache will be repaired , replaced or even taken out . They are just volenteers , and they are trying to do the best job they can.

Well, if that is an official guideline, then it doesn't really matter if it's 'good' or not. If the community as a majority voices opposition to it, then TPTB would have an obligation to adjust the guidelines to reflect the consensus. Wulf

*found on another thread* The guide lines state: "You may temporarily disable your cache to let others know not to hunt for it until you have a chance to fix the problem. This feature is to allow you a reasonable time – normally a few weeks – in which to arrange a visit to your cache. In the event that a cache is not being properly maintained, or has been temporarily disabled for an extended period of time, we may archive or transfer the listing." Wulf

I think the major issue my lovely Star is raising is how long should a cache be listed as disabled, before a reviewer 'could' judge it as 'dead'. I understand that caches get disabled due to circumstances beyond the control of cachers, and those caches usually have a note explaining the problem. The other end of the line are the caches disabled for maintanence/replacement that sit for months waiting for still active owners who've placed new caches to show up. If a cache is abandoned due to the owner no longer being active (say over 6 months with no activity) either adopt it out if anyone wishes to keep it active, or mark it for removal. If you list a cache on multiple sites and no longer wish to be affiliated with a particular site, you have a responcibility to delist the cache on that site. Wulf

uh, can't the cache owner just fix it, and email the reviewer? The users if they are responsible can just fix it , but how long is it to be left out there ? disabled , without an explanition as to why ? And why shouldnt archived caches be available to be adopted by others if there is someone willing to adopt them ? Wouldn't this also save geo internet litter (as in GC numbers webspace etc )?

Thats the problem , some people do not take care of there own caches , and others simply dissapear from geocaching all together , but there caches remain . That is also a problem in this area as well .

The subject of caches being archived has come up on ftwaynegeo groups on Yahoo.com. Some feel that their caches are being archived by approvers even though they are still active or perhaps disabled till it can be repaired/replaced , or such time as construction or some other act of nature has subsided . Although I understand why the approver is archiving caches that have been disabled for over a month with no sign of it being repaired etc. I guess my question is should a cache indeed be archived , leaving geo liter scattered about ? Who and or what should be the determining factor in the archiving of a cache. Thirdly , what can we do as responsible geocacher to assure that we aren't leaving Geo Litter out there. I can only suggest that perhaps we should all be thinking along the lines of the MIGO group in the state of Michigan , seems they have a site that lists archived caches in there state that allows one to verify that the Geo Litter is in fact gone . Plus its not much but they also give you a "find" or a "did not find " kind of a brownie point., for the verification . Maybe Geocaching.com itself should start something like this . Star of Team Tigger International

I'll post the cache URL. I think anyone familiar with Detroit should be able to take a pretty fair guess at the answer. The only online photo I found showing the area of interest was taken from the land, all the photos taken from boats were of the other end. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...0d-9c6ce1a0bc83

Should a virtual cache be easy enough that someone could 'solve' it in 2 minutes without even leaving the house? I could understand if we were talking about an old one, but this one's a week old. Wulf

Memory chips! I've seen them in caches along with CPU's and the occassional PCI card. They'd have some value to someone who was building a spare computer. Wulf

Sometimes it's hard to decide what kind of clues to give. If you're placing a new type of cache for your area, you can't be sure how it will be received. I'm not a big fan of having to email a cacher for help, but I admit we've placed a cache with that option in it until we get a few people to look for it, and decide what clues work. Wulf

Ok, my bad for not editting out the 'no hints' line. Wulf

The cache in question is mine. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...6c-424200925d89 Wulf

Accidently came upon this while surfing today. Is this wrong? http://edgecase.com/geocaching2/ Wulf