Sagefox

We lived one mile from this beach for 30 years and had several caches in that area. It was not only 100 years ago, the dump was still active until the sixties or early seventies and a lot more than glass was dumped there. Bad stuff. The stuff was buried as the trash heap progressed seaward and after the dump closed the ocean started digging away at it and all the non-biodegradable junk, not just the glass, was being gradually pulled onto the beach. Glass Beach was on private land but now is a publicly owned and maintained property which is a good thing because it provides beach access but what happens to public properties with toxic waste sites? They get cleaned up. Now there is no more glass to be ground into colorful beach sand and the longshore currents are slowly removing the glass. Soon it will be just another normal beach... but a public one. NYPC, I'm guessing you were born in the old coast hospital on Main Street which closed in the seventies and has been a B&B for many years.

How many of the folks that might want a sticky souvenir, armchair virtual, or virtual TB discover do you think spend any time in the forums? What percentage of all geocachers read or are even aware of the forums?

I love it!

This makes me sorry that I brought up the subject. Groundspeak team, I'm in your corner. Keep up the good work.

I agree with all of this, including the Fizzy part, long may he live, but with the exception of DeLorme and County challenges. We have seen and learned and had so much adventure from those cool challenges. We have not been much excited by any other challenges.

As a side note I say thank you to everyone who drives a Prius for doing their part in saving more gas for me to burn in my V8 powered, 10 MPG Jeep. If crawling through the mud and crude and forest looking for ammo cans burns dead dinosaurs, then so be it I would offer up our Prius to offset your V8 but we just bought a used V8 Silverado to pull our small camping trailer so we are offsetting our own selves at the moment. I was thinking about a Jeep but, yikes, 10 mpg? The Silverado gets 13 pulling the trailer and 16 solo. But, seriously, oil is formed from shallow seafloor deposits so no dinosaurs were harmed in the making of this product.

Makes sense. Even more laziness/bad practices associated with power trails than I even imagined. Locating/buying 100, 300, 900 cache containers, printing out and cuting up that many logsheets, buying that many plastic bags, stuffing the bags (although I doubt bags are needed in the Mojave desert), capping the containers, filling the tank, driving 100 miles out into the desert, stopping and placing caches every 528 feet, taking a waypoint at each stop, keeping track of those waypoints, driving back home, writing up and submitting all those cache pages strikes me as anything but lazy. Now on LPC micro in an urban area, that strikes me a lazy.

In our area a local cacher apparently decided he wanted all the August souvenirs so he logged at least one find per day even though it required logging a few caches he did not actually find. Two of us noticed this and checked cache logs at two groupings of caches. In five or six instances he did not sign logs and we believe he did not visit those caches. He did visit other caches in the groups but did so all on one day for each group and then logged the finds as one per day. I emailed him to say that I did not see his signature in three caches and suggested that he might have done this in error and that he should delete those finds or go back and sign the logs. No response. The two of us then deleted the five or six without signatures a few weeks ago and we noticed that the souvenirs are still in place. This is not a big deal in the great scheme of things but if folks find out they can post invalid finds to get the souvenirs and that deleting those finds later will not remove the souvenir we might get a new wave of "greetings" logs.

These being two names for the same animal. It is interesting that up here people call them cougars and in California and and southwest they are known as mountain lions. Maybe Oregon uses both names.

You probably won't see any virtual grabs and folks have mentioned how to resolve those if you do. I might add that in addition to grabbing it back you can, and should, delete those grab logs. That goes for virtual discoveries too - just delete them. There will be a lot of folks watching this tb and they won't want to see false discovery logs. I assume that you mean "real" discoveries where someone actually has the tb in their hands rather than discovering because they only see photos of the tracking number.

Nope. One car. This has been discussed maaaaannny times. They have their moves worked out but it is out of one car. Some folks might be doing it the way you suggest but many others do it in one car.

I agree. This is what we've always done dating back to 2002 and typically folks don't realize they should not post photos of the number. Also, new cachers often include the tracking number with their Found It log on the cache page they grabbed it from or on the cache they placed it in. Each trackable has a public number that they can use if they feel the need to post it in their logs. Be sure to check their cache logs. Have your email be very nice and suggest that they might not be aware of the problems that can come from posting the numbers. I always add something like "I see you are having fun with this game... we've been enjoying it for years". The new folks are usually happy to find out that they should not post those numbers.

I know this activity is here to stay but but there is something that just feels empty about it to me. It certainly is a low risk method of travel but I don't see any element of adventure in it.

What time frame are you talking about? If you only hold the trackables for two or three weeks then visiting would not be necessary. If you are holding them for longer than 30 days I suppose the visits are a form of communication in a round-about fashion. In either case the visits are not "real" trackable moves and I don't see a need to post them.

In your log you said you saw the TB stuck to the window. Was it the actual TB tag or was it a decal?

Have you read posts by people on this thread, as well as several others, who do not like multiple Visits by a single cacher? If not, it might be interesting to see some other points of view. Travel bugs have been around for a long time and prior to the Visit option they often sat for 30 day in a cacher's hands or in a cache. That was no big deal. They don't have to be constantly active. A travel bug can sit in someone's trackable bag for 30 days but "Visiting" it to multiple caches, often within a small radius, doesn't mean anything significant happened to it. It is still just sitting in the bag. I think Visiting any or all trackables in one's possession to multiple caches is something that people do just because they can easily do it. It is far more interesting to have different people move them.

Yes, regardless of whether there is a goal or not.

...it doesn't mean it should be used to log every trackable in your inventory into every cache you visit for an entire year. Does anybody think that two cachers should hang on to one trackable with a specific goal for about a year each, filling up 28 of its 33 pages with USELESS, "visits", take it from the east coast, THROUGH its destination state and then haul it across country and hang on to it for two years? Going to Clarksville, TN Yes, its been said before, but this seems to be about a perfect example of Visits run amok. PLEASE DON'T chain visits together for other people's trackables. It serves no purpose.

Sheeesh! A candidate for the "why bother" award for... I guess I can't say that in prime time.

Nice work John. I think it's been about eight years since we last saw you. Nice to see that you are still hiking for geocaches.

A trackable specifically intended for Virtual Logging? Is that allowable?

Then you could delete the Note log (Log 3 above) on the cache. Since you did not actually visit that cache your Note log is no longer necessary. The trackable will stay in the cache and your Note will not be cluttering up the cache page.

Regarding dipping, I would suggest considering if the dip is really necessary. Groundspeak has made it easy to dip every trackable in your inventory at each cache you log but multiple dips on a trackable's page make it difficult to sort through to see the significant moves. Several short distance moves are not very beneficial or significant to the trackable. Dips, to me, are not real cache visits. I want trackables to move from one cache to another and wait there for another cacher to move them along. That's my opinion on dipping.

You can't do any of this with a gps and it is not really necessary to log trackables immediately. Often it can cause problems if you try to grab it before the previous handler places it. Give the little buggers a little breathing room, I say.

No. We've been very consistent for over ten years, not getting too crazy but keeping at it at a reasonable pace.