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If everything you says is accurate, and I will assume it is, I am buying the PN-40. Mostly because of the accuracy in heavy cover--where I usually find myself--and the ability to take a hit, which I find happens when hiking through said heavy cover. While I dig caching, I am not even in the same hemisphere with having to need more than 1000 caches in my GPS. I actually use caching more to find cool spots than actually log caches, though I usually find them and at least say hi or leave something silly if I remember to take something. Anyway, add the TOPO and satellite imaging and I am sold. I use my GPS for tracking where I hike as much if not more so than for caches. What you say about PN-40 embodies everything I have ever wanted in a GPS. I am stoked to try it!! As to the road map thing, yea I guess that is a bummer, but close is usually good enough. I still own maps, believe it or not.

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My 'urban myth' detector just spiked.

I won't state it as fact, but I've seen a number of "bombs" that were fakes for various reasons (usually props) and were never considered illegal. I think placing one of these items in a public venue would be considered a "Terroristic Threat" and you could be prosecuted for such. I'll have to check with out locals if I see one later today. This makes sense. In fact, I have made many "bombs" in my day, most of which were used to remove stumps. Pretty sure making a bomb is totally legal, not to mention a fake one, placing that in a public area and crying wolf, that is an altogether different matter. I was being silly at first, but I was suprised some people think making a fake bomb is itself illegal. No wonder we are losing our rights so fast in this country.

Trading doesn't = keeping. Holding them for ransom sounds kinda fun, is this a new game? I went with the short answer, BRTango covered it. As far as I can tell trading bugs is totally fine and the possibility of holding them for ransom has now shown itself as a new possibility. Was that your guy's point?

Good info. I have an unrelated question, is making a fake bomb really a felony?

Trading doesn't = keeping. Holding them for ransom sounds kinda fun, is this a new game?

My god, were you people all glued to computers and televisions before GPS systems became legal? I don't know what to say about people thinking they need an excuse to go hiking. As to why we cache, I bought the GPS for my sweetie to use as she bikes around the country, though I love it for touring on my motorcycle as well. I found the geocaching site while doing research on which GPS to buy, Magellan SporTrak Pro, love it, and thought it would be fun to try out. I totally dig going on treasure hunts but to be honest, I see a lot less of the area when I am caching than when I am just "hiking" around without an excuse. Still, I have found some really cool areas thanks to cachers, areas I would more than likely never have found otherwise. That is the coolest part of caching for us, finding new areas to explore thanks to caching and not just for caching. We have been having fun trying to find NGS Benchmarks, that is a real hoot, some are buried under pavement, fence posts, you name it, big fun. Nevertheless, if the system failed tomorrow I would still be hiking the day after.

That's just sad right there.

Why not?

Wow. There is just no words to express how wrong I think that is. Honesty and integrity are not relative. Typical american.

I thought some might have known what these books are like, they are a group of essays from different authors, presumably fellow cachers and/or philosophers about the meaning of caching. So I guess, would there be any interest in a book by cachers about why they are into geocaching, what it means on a larger scale, etc., etc. I wasn't talking about a book I would write.

As you may or may not know there are more than a few books out there about philosophy and this or that, everything from the Simpsons to the Atkins Diet, and I was curious how much interest there would be in a similar book about Geocaching? For example, essays on The Wilderness and Geocaching, Pirates and Geocaching, Technology and Nature: Geocaching in the 21st Century, etc., etc. Would anybody be interested in reading such a thing?

Nice dude, totally had that in mind when I wrote that line. Wondered if anyone would pick up on it, never expected something as classic as this however.

Oh, now grammer is different than spelling. I would disagree with Mr James in as much as you want the correct meaning to be carried across and not some arbitrary meaning. If you leave out punctuation, people can group words together in whatever way they wish and get quite different meanings out of the words presented as a sentence. James thought people were intuitively smarter than you seem to think they are. Not sure who I agree with, more than likely, neither.

On each cache page it has a disclaimer. A disclaimer doesn't protect you from squat. A signed disclaimer does. Perhaps. But putting a sign on a web page that you're not responsible for anything surely doesn't. And that was the point. I thought the original point was how to get protected. Can't we have some kind of electronic signature if this were to become a real issue? I agree the silly thing on the web page is nothing legally speaking.

That was my point, not sure how anything you said changes that? As to Neitzsche, it was not his views that were put forth by the Nazi party, in fact, the Nazi party arose quite indepently of Neitzsche's work. Moreover, it was only after Neitzsche was locked away in the nut house that his sister gave particular selections of his work to friends she had in the party, and what she gave them only gave a rough overview of Neitzsche's work which is much to difficult to sum up with the vague assertion of "moral relativity." If you would like to debate philosophical issues however, you have come to the right place. Bottom line remains, dude was wrong to assert that there is only one form of honesty and intrigity.

You all need to meet Smoo. William James believed that if the meaning was carried across it shouldn't matter if the grammer is correct.

On each cache page it has a disclaimer. A disclaimer doesn't protect you from squat. A signed disclaimer does.

And which one hits the ground first? Better yet, if you shoot one of then on the way down are you guilty of murder? How about this, if they fall on some one and kill them, can their family sue the person who fell? Where did I put those legal pads?

I am sitting here in disbelief. Is this really what we have become? Why? Because not everyone agrees with your general opinion? No. Because if honesty and integrity are not absolute in someones life, they do not exist at all. It's their meaning that is up for grabs, and your meaning is simply one among many. But this is america, where everyone's opinion is right; that must make you feel good about yourself. I'm sorry Vashuers, but I'm going to have to agree with Klatch. Thank God I live in America where everyone has the right to an opinion, but not everyone's opinion is right. And that's fine, if we all had the same opinions then life would be pretty dull. I don't think you understand what you are agreeing with. The point is that dude thinks there is only one way to understand honesty and integrity, namely the nomenalistic way. My point was that he was wrong to assume that honesty is absolute, to which he seems to think we are left floating in the abyss. Nevertheless, his lack of sight causes him to mistakenly assume anything, even honesty, is absolute. If the Nazi's knock on your door asking you if you are hidding Jews in the basement, which you happen to be doing, are you going to be honest with them? If not, where does one draw the line? Who determines where or when we draw the line? You say saving a life is the line, how about if you know where Hitler is and some one who wants to kill him asks you where he is, are you honest with them even if it costs a life? Is it the numbers of lives that are stake? If we know polluting rivers kills fish in the Amazon and small tribes that have spent thousands of years living on the fish begin to starve because the of the pollution, should we honestly stop polluting the rivers? Or is progress more honest than tradition? Be very careful with blind american band standing.

I am sitting here in disbelief. Is this really what we have become? Why? Because not everyone agrees with your general opinion? No. Because if honesty and integrity are not absolute in someones life, they do not exist at all. It's their meaning that is up for grabs, and your meaning is simply one among many. But this is america, where everyone's opinion is right; that must make you feel good about yourself.

I am sitting here in disbelief. Is this really what we have become? Why? Because not everyone agrees with your general opinion?

It seems the words honesty and integrity are not in your vocabulary. And service in uniform to your country must not be something you have experienced. So all the explanations that could be made would not be understood. The words honesty and integrity are not as absolute as you seem to think. By your own standards one who does not agree with your original premise has experiences you clearly lack. Therefore, you are just as ignorant of their experiences and views of what it means to be a good human as you claim they are of yours. If your point is that neither of you can understand one another that seems about right, but let's not assume you have the truth and everyone lacking such experiences does not. No event or individual is ever beyond critique. And as to this whole issue of find padding, the original point of thread, I am confused as to why anyone should care? As long as cool people are hidding cool caches in cool areas the rest can do whatever gets them through the night, IMO.

One of the coolest caches I have ever seen. God I miss the Pacific Northwest.