imoutnabout
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Name of coin: Circle of Four Coins(4 different ordered)
Name of Vendor: GeocoinDesign
Date Paid: August 06 2011
Shipment Due Date: Presale, Dezember if i remember right
Ordered by: ice13-333
Info "Packaged for shipment" January 25 2012
No Coins yet, no answeres to mails since January 26, no chance to get my money back, because the 45 days are way gone for paypal paying.
Sad.
Actually, due date was supposed to be...and I quote..., " will be available around the middle of September." (See GeocoinDesign's first post in the Circle of Four thread.)
Sad to see so many are still waiting for a mere word from the seller much less their coins.
Future buyers should be made aware.
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Waiting for coins from : kini_ont and mamoreb
All coins received!! I'll try to get a photo tomorrow. I got a NICE batch of coins in this trade. Thank you all for participating and thanks once again to Chuck for hosting it.
For the record...I mailed 11 packages (only 2 were international) and spent just under $26 postage.
Still waiting for confirmation of receipt from : AVROAIR and KDV
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Thank you to everyone for participating and especially to E&Cplus3 for hosting!
Picture time!!
What??!! You got the little dandelion that I wanted and you didn't show me?? It better be in your pocket on our next trip out.
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Getting ready for next week's mail!
Waiting for coins from : kini_ont and mamoreb
Waiting for confirmation of receipt from : avroair and kdv
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He's probably selling them on ebay to be able to afford the International shipping. Afterall it is now 50-65% higher than what he charged you.
I realize this is probably just a guess on your part, but to the best of my calculations, he's made over $900 selling his AEs on ebay. Looks like he's had the time and certainly has the money. I'm so sorry there are still people waiting for their coins, not to mention waiting for just a personal word from the man who took their money. This is absolutely repulsive. A lesson VERY WELL learned on my part. "Don't do business with GeocoinDesigns"!!
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Yay! I've been waiting for these
Reservation has been placed. Thank you!
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Again - the only logs deleted were discovery logs made at one event, no real colorful history here, the coin was not moved, had no pics taken, no stories, just 'TFTD' logs.
I'm sorry. I wasn't clear about the history comment.
Yes, it's the history of the coins, but it's also the history of the coiner who posted it! I think they're BOTH important!
And I'm talking about coin logs IN GENERAL...not just this particular coin and those particular logs. They may have been boring to everyone including the loggers, I don't know. I didn't read them and I don't know the people involved.
I DO know that I have discovered many coins at events, out on the trails, in and at geocaches. I collect those little icons and I expect my logs to mark my days of geocaching/geocoining, and I'd be very upset if someone just deleted them. I play by the rules. Now that I'm aware that I can lose something important to the way I play this game simply because someone else plays differently (while still following the rules), I'd like to see a change in those rules. Period.
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People, it's not just Keep logs or Delete logs.
Archive them. Players can keep their logs, and icons, and owners can visibly clear off their trackable listing page so it's effectively "new", if they want.
Everyone = happy.
eta: 'archive' being a suggested feature, not a current ability
And again, I'll say that I agree. I see no harm and all benefit in your suggestion. Would you post that on the Feature forum? I wouldn't feel right about it since it wasn't my idea...but unless I hear a very good argument against it, I'll back you 100%!
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Whether it should be Their Option to keep or remove these logs is the matter of discussion here and personally I'm hoping that GS will make a ruling one way or another based on the players opinions. Your opinion seems to be that they should. Mine is that they shouldn't. (Keep in mind that I also have a very strong feeling about the log itself...not JUST the icon.)
That being said, I'm not upset with anyone who is still playing by the rules. Currently the rules allow deleting. I want to see that changed to protect EVERYONE'S rights in this game.
Discovery on coins is a Privilege - not a right
I would strongly disagree with you there. Why? Because Discovered is an option on the geocoin page - therefore it is a right for anyone who see's that geocoin. Not a privilege. (IMO)
(Oh, and I corrected your missing quote marker - you should too in your previous post, otherwise it will cause problems for anyone using Reply on your post. (Your missing the start quote for imoutnabout))
Oh I'm sorry - I was not aware there was 'Bill of Rights' for logging geocoins. Can you send me that link please.
Read carefully what people write. I didn't say anything on any 'Bill of Rights'.
I was commenting on your use of words - "privilege" and "right". If it were a "privilege" then I would not expect to find "Discover" as an option for logging geocoins - that's the point I was making. It is a privilege for people to share their geocoins. With geocaching when people move or discover a geocoin they have the right to log it as such. Just as the owner has the right to remove some logs from their geocoin, currently.
The Geocaching 101 FAQ says the following:
"Discover" the Trackable
When you have seen a Trackable in person, but have not moved it, you can log that you have "discovered" it. ...
It says you are allowed to log it as Discovered... sounds like people have the right to do it to me. Again, just my point of view, and you have yours.
Oh - and you still have not corrected the coding issue from the earlier post.
I was going to post something similar to keewee's post, quoted from The Geocaching 101 FAQ.
Let me add this from Geocoin FAQ:
Geocoin FAQ
What is a Geocoin?
A Geocoin is a special coin created by individuals or groups of geocachers as a kind of signature item or calling card. Like Travel Bug® Trackables, each Geocoin is assigned a unique tracking ID which allows them to travel from geocache to geocache or to be passed amongst friends, picking up stories along the way.
The bold is mine. The color change to emphasize my feeling about the importance of the HISTORY of the coins told through the logs.
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Actually, the one being 'Cheap' here is not the one that purchases the coin, but the one that discovers it. The purchaser of the geocoin has purchased the right to that icon, but the discovery geocacher has done nothing but look at it.
I for one will not allow discovery logs on some of my trackables if it is done so at an event. I do not go to events to make discovery on geocoins because I don't believe that is an earned icon, and I will delete any logs on my coins where I have asked that the item not to be taken to events. I for one like the liberty of doing so and would not be in favor of the those logs being locked.
I think the "cheap" comment was already discussed and apologized for, so I would hope we don't need to continue to address that. You make a very good point though. The one who purchases the coin, be it new or used, does "pay for" the icon. I also recognize your right to request that YOUR coins not be discovered at events. They're your coins and you have the right to request that. However, in the game of geocaching and in extension, geocoining...discovering IS allowed and a reward IS granted for doing so.
The 'Cheap' comment may have been addressed already, but I felt that my view point needed to be made.
Also, The tracking #'s were added to geocoins a few years back at the pleasure of the geocoin owner so they could benefit from watching it being moved by other geocachers. This original idea was strictly for the geocoin owner and not the person that moved it and the original icons for coins were all the same, generic. When the unique Icon was developed and introduced it pretty much created a monster with geocachers wanting to collect these tiny pics. But in reality, the geocoin is owned and so is that icon.
In The original content of this thread it was stated that the only logs removed were discovery logs at a single event. That coin never moved again. With discovery logging at events, alot times the loggers have never really seen the item, they just received a tracking # list to log, and never saw the coin and did not even know what they were logging. The owner of these coins should have the option to get rid of these logs when purchasing an activated coin.
OK then, how do you differentiate between those who never saw the geocoin and those who picked it up and turned it over and over in their fingers for several minutes muttering "Wow" "Great geocoin"...?
ETA - the later certainly deserve the icon IMO!
Well, the NEW owner would not know this, but it should still be Their Option to keep or remove these logs. You are getting upset with the new owner but they are not the ones getting rid of these coins, maybe before logging a coin at an event you should ask the owner if they plan on keeping this coin forever.
Whether it should be Their Option to keep or remove these logs is the matter of discussion here and personally I'm hoping that GS will make a ruling one way or another based on the players opinions. Your opinion seems to be that they should. Mine is that they shouldn't. (Keep in mind that I also have a very strong feeling about the log itself...not JUST the icon.)
That being said, I'm not upset with anyone who is still playing by the rules. Currently the rules allow deleting. I want to see that changed to protect EVERYONE'S rights in this game.
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Actually, the one being 'Cheap' here is not the one that purchases the coin, but the one that discovers it. The purchaser of the geocoin has purchased the right to that icon, but the discovery geocacher has done nothing but look at it.
I for one will not allow discovery logs on some of my trackables if it is done so at an event. I do not go to events to make discovery on geocoins because I don't believe that is an earned icon, and I will delete any logs on my coins where I have asked that the item not to be taken to events. I for one like the liberty of doing so and would not be in favor of the those logs being locked.
I think the "cheap" comment was already discussed and apologized for, so I would hope we don't need to continue to address that. You make a very good point though. The one who purchases the coin, be it new or used, does "pay for" the icon. I also recognize your right to request that YOUR coins not be discovered at events. They're your coins and you have the right to request that. However, in the game of geocaching and in extension, geocoining...discovering IS allowed and a reward IS granted for doing so.
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Sent out all of mine (See Post #300)
Received:
SIX LITTLE SPOOKIES Awesome! I love it
NOSNOW - X3 I think I have all your personal coins now
MAUISON Wow!
-ELEANOR- I've wanted one for a long time! Thanks
KINI_ONT
LAVAL K-9 SO happy to finally have one of each of these
REDWINGRR Thanks for the dove! Let me know when mine arrives.
THE MOOP ALONG - X2 This is a mystery coin I don't mind buying/trading for
PGHLOOKING Nice!
ACASIM Another one I've wanted since forever. Thanks!
MAMOREB
Feb 4 - One package arrived bearing gifts from 3 traders. It's a happy, HAPPY day.
Feb 6 - Two more packages today. Made up for the 2 insurance and 1 attorney's bill that came with them.
I'll post a pic when the rest arrive. I love them all. This was a GREAT trade for me.
Feb 8 - Two more packages for me! And an OOPS! I should be receiving one from Mamoreb as well. Somehow I forgot to list that one.
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Sent out all of mine (See Post #300)
Received:
SIX LITTLE SPOOKIES Awesome! I love it
NOSNOW - X3 I think I have all your personal coins now
MAUISON
-ELEANOR-
KINI_ONT
LAVAL K-9
REDWINGRR Thanks for the dove! Let me know when mine arrives.
THE MOOP ALONG - X2
PGHLOOKING
ACASIM
Feb 4 - One package arrived bearing gifts from 3 traders. It's a happy, HAPPY day.
Feb 6 - Two more packages today. Made up for the 2 insurance and 1 attorney's bill that came with them.
I'll post a pic when the rest arrive. I love them all. This was a GREAT trade for me.
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Received two wonderful coins today from Yanagi.
When I was in GCF-EU I was not fast enough to get the special version of the Marvelous Nature coin, and I was sad, but this time I was lucky enough to be presented with this one
Many thanks!!
SOOOO jealous!! I love that version of Marvelous Nature. Enjoy it!
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That was the third tier option:
1) I don't care, show it all in one history
2) Focus on 'my' history, but provide access to history under other owners
3) Only my history, I want it like a brand new listing; hide the entirety of its previous history
This is making more sense to me now...and I'm liking it...
So the goal here is to make whatever someone does, not matter. Tell you what, you get the community to accept proxy coins and I'll back you up 100%.
Personally I think you haven't thought it through far enough.
I'm sorry, I really don't understand the first statement at all. I believe that what EVERYONE does should matter and I'd like to see GS do something that would ensure that.
As to the proxys...I have no problem with them at all, but I believe this is a discussion for another thread.
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Sent out all of mine (See Post #300)
Received:
SIX LITTLE SPOOKIES Awesome! I love it
NOSNOW - X3 I think I have all your personal coins now
MAUISON
-ELEANOR-
KINI_ONT
LAVAL K-9
REDWINGRR
THE MOOP ALONG - X2
PGHLOOKING
ACASIM
One package arrived bearing gifts from 3 traders. It's a happy, HAPPY day.
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Watching with great interest.
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From what I read in the early part of the other 'coin' thread, logs on trackables appear to be basically the same as for caches...
They can be hidden (by deleting, owner or logger), but they don't get erased. That seems to be proven by the fact that they were restored (temporarily). It was also suggested over there that the better solution would be to give the viewer the ability to display what logs they wish to see, rather than 'delete' them... Don't want to look at visits, turn it off! But that is not going to happen at the snap of a finger, given a few more pressing problems these days.
Back a bit, there was a list of log types (forgot to quote it) and the comment that 'visit' was about the same or less importance as 'note'... hard to believe that, since it is the equivalent of a 'drop' and 'retrieve' (aka a 'dip'). Only difference seems to be that it does not generate an email notification when logged or deleted. And 'visit' does add to one stat, the mileage count, which is about the only thing I find interesting. I suppose that people should avoid logging a visit to every cache in a cluster of caches, just pick one representative of the area. That makes the map a lot clearer as well. I do visit my few trackables to all caches, but then I thin out clusters later on when I can sit and see what affects the mileage the least, or to include the truly memorable caches as opposed to the 'blah' ones... I like them all so far, but some get the recognition they deserve.
That's it from my POV.
Doug 7rxc
I see your point and I'd agree with you. I also agree that the option to visit (dip) is sometimes overused and can cause pages and pages of "boring logs" (as some players have been calling them..and again, I'd agree). One more plus to the options that have been suggested for a separate tab or clickable link to hide/show partial/full history which would leave the mileage intact.
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Not afraid of a compromise. Just wish it would not come in the form of more rules.
I'm not a big fan of rules either, but this is a huge community of people from all over the planet, all trying to play the same game. For the most part...to each his/her own. But when the way one person plays is detrimental to the way another person plays (and both people are following current guidelines), then there needs to be some changes and they should come from the people who own the game.
Since you're not afraid of a compromise, do you have any suggestions?
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I can see that some feel it is necessary to create more rules and guidelines in regards to geocoins/Travelbugs. But is this really a problem? From what I have read in this thread and the other, All of the logs deleted were for discover logs which took place at a single event. The new owner was not just deleting logs arbitrarily, but only a few that were all done on the same day at an event. For the most part coin/tb owners want the logs on their coins they want to see the travels of their said item. Removing the ultimate freedom of ownership regarding coins/tb's would be a detriment to the owner. IMO
Those discover logs were not just minor entries on a webpage. They legitimately credited an icon to the loggers in question, added a stat to their Trackables tab and became a part of their geocaching history. When the logs were deleted, the icons were removed, the numbers reduced and a piece of their history for that geocaching day was removed.
For me, that's a problem I would like to see GS address. I don't favor any rules "removing the ultimate freedom of ownership regarding coins/tbs", but I do favor guidelines that would protect EVERYONE'S rights in this game.
I agree with Geominions, The problem is not vast enough to warrant More Rules and Guidelines that will take away ownership rights on coins/tb's
I agree whole-heartedly that we should not take away ownership rights. I just feel that something should be put into place to protect EVERYONE'S rights. There have been suggestions mentioned in the other thread that I feel would be a good compromise. Would you be agreeable to a compromise?
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I can see that some feel it is necessary to create more rules and guidelines in regards to geocoins/Travelbugs. But is this really a problem? From what I have read in this thread and the other, All of the logs deleted were for discover logs which took place at a single event. The new owner was not just deleting logs arbitrarily, but only a few that were all done on the same day at an event. For the most part coin/tb owners want the logs on their coins they want to see the travels of their said item. Removing the ultimate freedom of ownership regarding coins/tb's would be a detriment to the owner. IMO
Those discover logs were not just minor entries on a webpage. They legitimately credited an icon to the loggers in question, added a stat to their Trackables tab and became a part of their geocaching history. When the logs were deleted, the icons were removed, the numbers reduced and a piece of their history for that geocaching day was removed.
For me, that's a problem I would like to see GS address. I don't favor any rules "removing the ultimate freedom of ownership regarding coins/tbs", but I do favor guidelines that would protect EVERYONE'S rights in this game.
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thebruce0, have you offered your suggestion over at the Features board? I think it's a good one and I'd like to see what others think of it. Maybe this thread became too emotional. It may be better received and addressed over there I'm thinking...?
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That was the third tier option:
1) I don't care, show it all in one history
2) Focus on 'my' history, but provide access to history under other owners
3) Only my history, I want it like a brand new listing; hide the entirety of its previous history
This is making more sense to me now...and I'm liking it...
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All packed up and ready to go. I'll be shipping them out tomorrow:
Sending:
ACASIM
ATLANTAGAL
AVROAIR
DRNEAL - X2
KDV
LEWISCLAN77 - X2 (8 Coins Total)
MAUISON
SCIFICOLLECTOR - X2
SIX LITTLE SPOOKIES - X2
THE FOSSILLADY
Received:
SIX LITTLE SPOOKIES Awesome! I love it
NOSNOW - X3
MAUISON
-ELEANOR-
KINI_ONT
LAVAL K-9
REDWINGRR
THE MOOP ALONG - X2
PGHLOOKING
ACASIM
Christmas in February. Nice.
Edited to show Mission Accomplished. All coins are on their way!
8th International Mathtrade
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