StripeMark
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Hey watch it............ I'm still programming in COBOL on a IBM system 36!
We are a dying breed
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I ordered my copy about a month ago. They told me they would be shipping them out in the first part of November.
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....which gets me wondering.... for example.......
if 10 people were to log a recovery with the NGS for the same benchmark at the same time, all 10 recoveries would be on a future datasheet after the database is updated? .....interesting and weird
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OK.... as long as we are talking water tanks..... check out the text for PU2290
PU2290'THE STATION IS OF STANDARD TANK CONSTRUCTION SUPPORTED BY FOUR
PU2290'STRUCTURAL STEEL LEGS. IT IS PAINTED IN ALTERNATE SQUARES OF
PU2290'RED AND WHITE. THERE IS A REVOLVING AIRWAY BEACON AT THE CENTER
PU2290'AND APEX OF THE TANK PROPER. THE POINT OBSERVED WAS THE BEACON
PU2290'AT THE APEX OF THE STRUCTURE.
PU2290
PU2290 STATION RECOVERY (1961)
PU2290
PU2290'RECOVERY NOTE BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1961 (NES)
PU2290'THE STATION IS THE WATER TANK, CENTRALLY LOCATED IN THE BASE,
PU2290'270 FEET NORTH OF AVENUE E EAST, 160 FEET WEST OF EIGHTH
PU2290'STREET AND 150 FEET EAST OF SEVENTH STREET. IT IS SUPPORTED
PU2290'BY A 10-LEGGED STEEL STRUCTURE. HAVING AN OVER-ALL HEIGHT OF
PU2290'135 FEET AND THE TOP AND CENTER WAS THE POINT OBSERVED UPON.
....and on the geocaching site http://www.geocaching.com/mark/details.aspx?PID=pu2290
there is now an even newer tank there. This can't be the same original water tank.
So what's the deal with the 1961 text changing the benchmark?
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Any idea how you are going to get these mailed out and collect payments?
......going to be quite a job!
I think you ought to start with the people who have actually recovered this marker
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Put me down for 1 of each metal. If you run out.....I'd like to get at least 1 black for sure.
Thanks!
StripeMark
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The survey markers are now located underwater? I'd say they would be "NOT FOUND". Most likely they are still there and will probably never be used again, but "inaccessible does not equal destroyed". You just need to do some scuba-diving.
....just my thoughts
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I also thought it was pretty bad and very unprofessional. I'd put a comment like that here on the geocaching log, but defintely not on the NGS log.
....which got me wondering........
Does Deb, or someone else, actually read through, or edit, the text entries that we put in the NGS recovery logs before they are updated to the database?
I know there is a "holding" period where the logs are held for some time period, and then there is a batch update to the database, but does anyone review them while they are being "held"?
and yes, that log was done 22 years ago, so procedures have probably changed since then.
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...and yet another example: http://www.geocaching.com/mark/details.aspx?PID=MX0994
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I usually use a screwdriver, or the handle of a pliers works well also. Just be very careful with your fingers. I've opened a few of these up before that have had some nasty critters inside (and I've always wondered how they get in there in the first place!).
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I feel pretty much the same as mloser on this. I've seen MANY logs where they got the wrong disc, they got a reference mark instead of the main station, or they log a reset as a found. There are lots of them.
On the ones that have actually been destroyed and people keep logging as a FOUND, I will sometimes make a note stating that the mark has been destroyed and all further entries should be a NOT FOUND or DESTROYED. But then a while later someone will log it again as a FOUND.
There's not much you really can do.
For a lot of people, DISC = FOUND
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I also would say to not bother with getting the GPS in the photo.
I usually don't have the GPS with me anyway!
It also is a good idea to have an area view included.
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check out these pics that I took:
http://www.geocaching.com/mark/details.aspx?PID=je0245
So is there a actual survey marker disc on these???? It doesn't sound like it according to the text description.
So it would be a found? not found? Should I report it to NGS as a found? not found? .....or just e-mail Deb and see what she has to say about it?
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It's after the screen that you verify the designation. It will come up and say:
"This mark has been recovered within the past year without any change in status. Thank you for submitting this recovery but NGS is not entering recoveries for marks which have been recovered less than a year ago unless there has been a change in status or there is new descriptive text."
Although, you can add any text and it will then accept it.
Although in KU1433, it looks like both entries were good condition with no added text. So apparently the second log was entered before the first log was added to the the database.
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http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=JE0245
What exactly on this structure would be the benchmark?
The datasheet says that the marker type is a azimuth mark disc and it states that there is a stamping. But the station description doesn't say where the disc would be located on the structure.
I found this "concrete pedestal" as described, but there was no survey marker found, or evidence that there was ever one there. All it was is a concrete post about 1.5 feet across and about 5 feet high with 3 bolts in a triangle formation protruding out the top.
Any idea what these were used for? Has anyone ever located a survey marker on these structures?
Thanks!
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yes, I noticed that there was no "boxed score" and I figured that was because it was SCALED.
There is a reference mark 1 (JE0670), reference mark 2 (JE0668), and a azimuth marker (JE0666).
I plan on getting out there this weekend.
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Apparently, as in KU1433, if there are multiple log entries between database updates, they all get updated?
I have noticed that if the datasheet has been updated within the past year and the condition stays the same, it prohibits you from entering another log entry.
......interesting.
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All of the triangulation stations are location ADJUSTED.
Other types, such as intersection stations, traverse stations, etc. are also location ADJUSTED.
...well 99% of the triangulation stations are ADJUSTED. Note that triangulation station JE0669 is SCALED.
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Due to the methods employed and the inprobabilty of recovery, USGS deems many of them obsolete and do not warrant any futher work to preserve them. In other words, expendable.
So in other words, if a USGS marker, which is also being used by the NGS and on the NGS database, is marked DESTROYED by the NGS, USGS won't care about it?
I found a USGS marker a while back that got labeled DESTROYED on the NGS database and was wondering if I should e-mail Rolla, MO, (for the eastern US) about it.
I knew all their datasheets are on paper and sitting in a dark room in a file cabinet. And yes, it would take way to long, and cost too much money, to try and get all the USGS datasheets on-line.
When I visited the USGS at Rolla last summer, they had the datasheets for local marks in a PDF file that they would just print off to use.
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This is interesting and something I have not noticed before. When you bring up the sheet using the URL that stripemark used "http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=JE1892" you just get the one line with the "no Text" code.
if you feed the PID into the retreival page as Z15 did "http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/datasheet.prl?Type=DATASHEETS", you get both lines.
I never realized this either. I always use the "quickline" URL. I was wondering how Z15 got that info!
Thanks everyone!
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I've seen that also in the "box scores", and noticed that many of the PID's do not match the normal coding for the area, and they bring up no datasheet.
But what got me wondering is that the datasheet does recognize this as being "TT 47 B".
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I recovered JE1891, RM 1, RM 2, and the azimuth marker.
Reference Mark 2 is also a USGS disc with the NGS PID of JE1892.
But look at the datasheet you get for JE1892:
http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=JE1892
Can/Should this mark be logged at the NGS site with the standard recovery form?
I figured that I would copy over the text paragraph from JE1891 regarding RM 2 and add my own comments.
Any thoughts on this?
Thanks! -StripeMark
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ArtMan said: "I also proffered my federal employee ID, which has nothing to do with anything except I figured it would identify me as vaguely legit"
But the funny thing is that it is far easier to get a driver's license than a federal employee ID (USDA employee going on 20 years)!
I've only been approached once by a state highway patrol. After he seen what I was up to, he actually spent about 15 minutes helping me hunt for some reference markers.
I always pull completely off the road (if possible), have a mini light bar running, and wear a bright orange safety vest.
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bill93, THANK YOU!!!!!!! that is exactly what I was looking for..... and they are even DOS programs!
I was looking on the NGS, but never found my way to that page.
Thanks again!
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Most of our work is on the AS400 now with a S/36 partition on it so it still looks and acts like the S36. We do still however have a bunch of the actual 36's sitting around here that we do development and testing on. We have a machine in almost every county office (USDA/FSA) and a handful of them are still using the original S36 as well.