patdhill

Better rehire all those hamsters they made redundant.

Geocaching has been around for over 10 years now, and it's probably a fair assumption that glass containers have been used on occasion for that long as well. Depending on the location and method of hiding, a glass geocache container should be no more or less dangerous than a glass container in your kitchen or local shop. This is reflected in that there is no mention - either for or against - the use of glass containers in the Groundspeak guidelines, the knowledge books, the GAGB guidelines, or the code of conduct. If there had been a problem with glass containers (other than lapses of common sense) I'd have expected to see a mention in at least one of these..... I think a cache container is in a very different environment to your kitchen or local shop. Three easy steps for a cut hand 1) water gets in cache 2) water freezes as cache is outside 3) glass breaks due to expansion of ice. A cacher then comes along and uses hand to feel for the cache and you have an accident. Plastic containers would stretch a bit and could crack but I'd doubt you'd get cut on one. You make a fair point although at the same time feeling for a cache in an area you can't see inside is asking for trouble from items unrelated to the cache. Who knows if someone unrelated to caching has left broken glass or used needles there, or if an animal has taken up residence or similar? We all face risks when we go out caching I doubt there is anyone reading these post that's not been nettled, brambled or thorned and accept that as part of the game we play. Putting a glass container out just needlessly increases the risk when plastic boxes are so cheap. I've looked for a couple of caches where I found needles around and that's the point I walk away. As for general rubbish I'm afraid you have to get used to that these days. However if I'm out and there is a bin nearby I'll pick most plastic bottles up and dump them, but if I see a glass bottle anywhere I always pick it up and take it with me, I have a dog and know what glass can do to paws.

Geocaching has been around for over 10 years now, and it's probably a fair assumption that glass containers have been used on occasion for that long as well. Depending on the location and method of hiding, a glass geocache container should be no more or less dangerous than a glass container in your kitchen or local shop. This is reflected in that there is no mention - either for or against - the use of glass containers in the Groundspeak guidelines, the knowledge books, the GAGB guidelines, or the code of conduct. If there had been a problem with glass containers (other than lapses of common sense) I'd have expected to see a mention in at least one of these..... I think a cache container is in a very different environment to your kitchen or local shop. Three easy steps for a cut hand 1) water gets in cache 2) water freezes as cache is outside 3) glass breaks due to expansion of ice. A cacher then comes along and uses hand to feel for the cache and you have an accident. Plastic containers would stretch a bit and could crack but I'd doubt you'd get cut on one.

I've seen a few forum post by Deceangi saying glass cache containers are not allowed and if he finds one has been used he will disable the cache until it has been replaced. I've found two caches in glass containers one was a jam jar placed under a rock you had to lift to to access it was disabled by the reviewer and the container was replaced by the cache owner. The other was a Marmite jar in Sheffield it had been there for two years and they are pretty rugged jars so kept it to myself.

My quandary has resolved the cache has been disabled, many thanks for everyone's comments.

I have the same view as DrDick&Vick, if you want to bring people to a memorial do it as part of a multi. Look at the memorial, get some data and then put the cache a good distance away. In this case the puzzle has nothing to do with the location and I can't see why the final container couldn't be put somewhere else with a little twaeking of the puzzle.

On a sort of side note I got an email this morning from another cacher asking for help finding the cache. He'd searched for 20 minutes then the police turned up and asked him what he was up to. He had to go through the explanation of geocaching which they accepted and he speant a further 10 minutes looking with no luck. Obviously someone reported him acting a bit odd near a war memorial and called the cops. As well as raising the suitability of caches near memorials it's back to the urban caching guidelines which I know have been cover on this forum many times. Oh and I’ve told him I not offering any help as I don’t think the cache is in a suitable location and I’m not going to encourage people to go looking for it.

Sorry you do not see any discussions between Cache Owner and Reviewer Pre-Publication, so are presuming that the Reviewer did not do a thorough investigation. We rely on information on the Cache page, Maps, MAGIC. Google Satellite/Street View. And also information provided by the Cache Owner to any query made. Deci I'm not saying the reviewer didn't do a proper investigation at all, I emailed him about it and that was the one of the things I said. I raised it with him as even with the best intentions it is easy to miss caches that maybe in questionable places. Getting back to the guidelines though using Streetview one of the tools you mention you can clearly see the cache is in the grounds of a war memorial, not attached to the war memroial but to another memorial not related to the war. Going by the GAGB "guidelines" this should seem to require landowner permission, I'd have expected if this was recieved then as customary it would be mentioned in the cache listing page. As this is not confidential information I can't see a reason why you should not be able to supply it if it indeed was gained. If not then I'd expect someone to say this is allowed because "reason" and the Sheffield Cholera Monument needs it because "reason”. They are caches around the same distance from a prominent memorial so I can't see why different rules apply.

I decided to delete my new log that didn't have the comment the CO objected to on and the cache is now on my ignore list. In reply to Pharisee I very much support the reviewers but in the case of these two very similar caches one has been disabled when no one specifically had complained about the location that I can see, everyone in their logs seem to like it. However the other that I put my FTF log on has been deemed ok even though someone "me" has complained about the location.

I never mentioned in my log that the cache was on a memorial at all I just said I wouldn't have put one where it was.

I did an FTF today on a puzzle where the final cache container was hidden on a memorial to someone that died in March 1914. My original log was deleted by the cache owner as he said it made it look like he thoughtlessly placed a cache on a war memorial. I actually never mentioned it was on a memorial at all but I've relogged the FTF with the offending bit removed. I raised my concern with the reviewer who didn’t want to get drawn into the rights and wrongs of the cache placement. The GAGB “guidelines” say the below which I think applies as the cache is located just over 10m from the main war memorial and is physically located on another memorial in the same garden. 4 – Where a war memorial or other memorial to the dead is the focal point of a clearly defined precinct, plaza, memorial garden or like surrounding area, no physical caches or physical cache stages should be placed within that area without specific written permission of the relevant custodial authority The below log was written by a reviewer on a cache that didn’t seem that much farther away from another memorial. I liked that cache as it took me to some where I’d never have been if not for caching. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=08436082-597b-4dc0-b089-afb5c4bc7aa8 So my questions are how do people feel about searching for caches near memorials and why have “guidelines” which can be ignored at will. The more I think about it I should have just looked at the location and walked away. I think having known relatives from both wars makes me feel a lot more strongly about this one.

I go through my favourites every so often and un-favourite ones I've put on now archived caches. My belief is they are to help others to pick out good caches to do so no point having then on archived ones.

I agree with this, how much damage is going to be caused to the seven trees with people looking for something so small. I'm not a great fan of needlessly difficult hides especially as part of a series. The one DNF can cast a shadow over a otherwise great walk and if it's a reasonable distance from home then there is little chance I'm going to revisit just to have another look for the one I missed.

A cheap telescopic walking pole. Very handy to check places you might not want to put your hand like brambles, hawthorne, nettles and dark holes. Oh you can use it as a walking pole too.

Hope Al-Qaeda don't read that or they'll just be sticking geocaching labels on things hoping the police will just walk on by ;-)

Good news tried the new version 5.00 on my Oregon and the cache icons display again.

It's pretty straight forward go to http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/Versions+x50 and download the 4.50 software then do the below. Change the name of the file you just download to gupdate.gcd Attach the Oregon to your computer and verify that it is in USB Mass storage mode Copy gupdate.gcd to [OR drive]:\Garmin\gupdate.gcd Restart the Oregon It'll start the software update process automatically. Mine lost all the settings like units, icon positions etc. So make a note of them before you start.

Just noticed the same on my Oregon 450 with the new software. I put version 4.50 back on and the cache icons reappeared, maybe another Garmin initiative to make it harder to use www.geocaching.com. You can get the old versions of software at http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/Versions+x50

Google Chrome usually spots foreign languages and offers to translate them for you.

Great to see the NT are letting official and independent caches be placed on their land, good for them and good for cachers. I've volunteered straight away, as NT members we are happy to give our help and support.