PISA-caching

Wow, the page with the map of the holy doors in Germany is great. I did a little research too and found this interesting (German) article: http://www.katholisch.at/aktuelles/2015/12/10/dutzende-heilige-pforten-in-sterreich Neither a (complete) list nor a map, but it seems that they are quite prevelant in Austria. Another German article shows a video and a photo gallery of the opening of a holy door in Klagenfurt in 2015: http://www.kath-kirche-kaernten.at/dioezesanbischof/newsdetail/bischof_schwarz_oeffnet_heilige_pforte_des_klagenfurter_domes#1 About 2 weeks ago I was there and the iron door is still there and it doesn't look like they will remove that huge iron gate. I just didn't know what it was when I saw it. :-) As far as the other church I mentioned in the first posting. That door is a regular door with the words "Porta Sancta" permanently painted above it. So, both don't seem to be holy doors for just a short period of time. I checked two of the churches in Germany and both had just a sign on or above the door that is easy to remove. However, I think that it should still be easy to prove the Status of a porta sancta, because in most cases there is information about it that can be found online.

Lately I took pictures of a church here in Austria and noticed that the church has a "Porta sancta". When we were in Rome we had seen the Porta Sancta (The Holy Door) of the St. Peter's Basilica, but I thought that this is the only one in the world. After some research I learned that Pope Francis allowed to each Roman Catholic diocese throughout the world to designate one or more local Holy Doors. Now I wonder, if there are enough holy doors worldwide and interest of the Waymarking community in this topic to create a new category or should I just post it in the "Doorways of the World" category?

I use this from time to time and it's quite useful, if you just want to have a quick look at what waymarks are around.

My humble opinion: I don't have a big problem with crosspostings, but to simply use the age of something for a category creates a mixture of objects that don't share anything but their age. I personally like the bridge categories where all bridges are of the same type. One of my favorites is the "Stone Bridges" category. Within such categories you see brdiges, that are long or short, old or new, ugly or beautiful etc. but they are all of the same type. Browsing through such categories I find it interesting to compare the different bridges, but to have a collection of old bridges is not that interesting to me. Same goes with the old churches and old restaurants. But as the beginning of my posting says, this is just my humble opinion.

Out of curiousity: Does that refer to the category grid of posted AND visited waymarks (or just one of the two)? If I find or post a "Mountain Bike Trailhead" I will have my first 3x3 Bingo. For a complete horizontal line I need at least another 5 (not so easy) categories.

Yes, of course. You need one photo of the label and one or two photos of the actual location. For example: and And for every visit you just need a photo of the location.

There are tons of postcards out there that show the Eiffel Tower, the Statue of Liberty and so on, but I just found one postcard waymark for each of them. After some more search I found one location that has 3 postcard waymarks. That's no big deal. I don't think that people would overflow this category, especially if we limit it to one waymark per company per location.

Ok, in this case I will try to answer your questions: Would any product with a picture of the Alamo on the label be waymarkable? It's not the product we waymark, it's the location that you can see on the product (in your words: the Alamo). My suggestion would be to allow one waymark per location per company. For example: The Austrian company Manner uses the St. Stephans Cathedral in Vienna as kind of their logo. They sell many different products and you could find the St. Stephans Cathedral on various product, but only one waymark for Manner plus St. Stephans Cathedral should be allowed. But other suggestions are welcome. Would a representation (not a detailed photo) of the Alamo be acceptable, like a graphic, if it was clear that the graphic was of the Alamo? It would be enough, if the location is clearly recognizable. What would the default waymark image be: the place or the label? If the default photo is the product label, isn't that advertising a product? Similar to the postcards and stamps it would be the label of the product. And yes, it's advertising, but just one waymark per company. And this is also what I meant when I was asking "too Commercial?". If the default photo is of the Alamo, how many different product waymarks could be placed there? 1? 1000? See above. Could I visit this waymark with ANY advertising product label with an Alamo, or would have to buy the exact product waymarked? You don't have to buy stamps, postcards, photos of the past, so you don't have to buy these products either. What if the waymarked product rare or not globally available, when there are other products with the Alamo in it that are more prevalent and more easily obtained? Again, we don't waymark products. Where would the waymark coordinates be located, at the Alamo or at the place the product was purchased? This is also a serious question? Here's my 'serious' answer: Just like with the stamps and postcards it is of course the place where you bought it and if you can't determine the exact coordinates of the shelf, please use coordinates as close to the entrance of the supermarket as possible. :-/ Would I have to have personally visited the Alamo to be able to waymark a product with the Alamo on it? Yes. Enough said.

Very funny.... not. :-(

We already have waymarks that we find on postcards, coins, stamps etc., but what about locations that are printed on product packing/packaging (not sure which term is right here)? I think about matchboxes: I also think about the Little coffee creamer packagings that are popular in Switzerland, Austria etc.: More examples: http://zimmerreisen.at/die-ganze-welt-auf-einem-kaffeerahmdeckeli/ Then there are wine labels: The list goes on and on. I'm sure that this would be prevelant in most countries of the world and I think it would be interesting to see all the different packings from around the world. But what do others think? Is it not interesting enough for a new category? Or too commercial?

Lately I also found an interesting tombstone: The inscription says "Unknown Artist 2010". It is not a real headstone. Nobody seems to know who placed it between two graves and why, but the cemetery administration decided to not remove it as long as nobody complains about it. For me, this would be a interesting addition to this category, but what do you think?

Respect! I think I would do that only if it was another not so interesting waymark in a category, in which I already have lots of waymarks. In any other case I would go for photoshop work or ignoring the geocache. When it comes to Waymarking, I tend to become greedy and reckless. :-)

Thanks for all your feedback. So, iconions, you own a Waymarking hat? ;-) Well, I'm the guy who runs around with two hats most of the time. My partner isn't interested in Waymarking at all, but she likes geocaching. So, we often go out to find geocaches, but my camera is always at hand in case we find an interesting waymark. Today we did a little tour and found 5 geocaches and I took pictures for around 25 waymarks. My choices are: B: If possible I will prevent to spoil with a little photoshop work. I did that with this waymark, that would have given one of the answers of this geocache. I just had to remove one number and it's not a big loss of information for a waymark visitor, but if I had to remove more, I would change to option C: C: I create the waymark without caring about the geocache, because most geocachers will not find the waymark anyway. I also think ... no, I KNOW that the vast majority of the geocachers has no idea of Waymarking. Whenever I tell a geocacher, that there is a link "all nearby waymarks on Waymarking.com" in every geocache description I hear something like "never seen that" or "really? what is Waymarking?". From time to time I'm asked for help with a geocache and if I know that waymarks can help to solve a geocache, I draw their attention to that link and add "and by the way, if you take photos for the geocaching log, you can also log that waymark", but most of the time their Waymarking visit counter remains a zero. :-(

Those of you who do Waymarking AND geocaching might have been in the following situation: You do a multi or mystery cache and find something that would make a great waymark. But this thing is part of the riddle in this cache and if you create the waymark you also create a spoiler for the geocache. How would you cope with this problem? A: I don't do geocaching and therefore unintentionally might create spoiler. B: If possible I will prevent to spoil with a little photoshop work. C: I create the waymark without caring about the geocache, because most geocachers will not find the waymark anyway. D: I forbear from creating the waymark, if there is no way to create it without spoiling the geocache. E: Other... Multiple choices allowed and any additional comment is welcome. Lately I have been in this situation a few times and therefore I'm curious what others think.

I think that text has several advantages (as already mentioned by others). At work I have to teach people that they have to add alternative text to their images, so that everybody can use the Website properly. And most of the time I add "and it also helps to be found through search engines". :-) If there was a photo AND text, it would be perfect. And if the time-consuming editing is the problem, I would rather want a text with some errors than no text at all. But, of course it all depends on the category group and their category description. Just my 2 Cents.

In the initial posting you said no to reliefs. :-) In a perfect world I would accept them in the Cemetery Art category and disallow reliefs on cemeteries in the Reliefs category. Same goes with Abstract sculptures. The art that you find on cemeteries is often "special" and I know a few examples of abstract artwork that you probably wouldn't pay much attention, if you see it in a park or something, but a lot of attention, because it is on a cemetery. For example:

The last three are reliefs, no? I often ask myself, where the border between sculpture and relief really is.

Cool. We have to find out which one is the original and which one the replica. Or maybe both are replicas. :-)

Oh, wow, I just found an exact replica of the above. It seems that "mine" is on the "Zentralfriedhof" in Vienna. Where is yours?

I think here in Vienna I will find plenty of waymarks for this category and some of these are so beautiful, that they deserve to have a waymark for them. One that I have already posted in "Broken Column Headstones" is this beauty: I remember that when I took the photos I was sure that there would be a category for it. I was a little disappointed that only the rather boring column made it valid for at least that category. Would this one have a chance to be added to this new category, even if it already is in the Broken Columns category? And what about the Occupational/Hobby Grave Stones? Don't have an example, but there will be headstones that are Cemetery Art and also represent the occupation/hobby of the interred.

I love challenges and fortunately I found a good candidate: The town Amstetten in Lower Austria has a population of 23,621 and didn't have one waymark until a few days ago. During my visit I took more than 200 photos and it will take some time to create all the waymarks that I want, but today I fulfill the challenge. Waymarks in Amstetten

Lately I found this sculpture, that is made of firefighting-related items like fire extinguisher, fire hose etc. It is standing next to an apartment building and there was no sign or other Information about it's age, the creator etc., but I found it very interesting and worth a waymark. My first guess was "Figurative Public Sculpture", but maybe some experienced waymarker has a better idea.

I'm sure we will have a good description soon and Kansas and Austria are closer that one might think. :-)

My first uncategorized waymark with a counter.

Maybe I misunderstand your last post or maybe you misunderstood mine. :-) I'm not trying to make these two chapels in (or attached to) a church a valid waymark. I (like you) try to clear things up. Like you, I mainly think of separate buildings when I talk about chapels. We both think that chapels within a big building are not what we are looking for. Am I right so far? BUT, there are borderline chapels and that's were we have to take a closer look. And I'm not trying to move the border from here to there, but rather try to find a way to describe where the border IS. If for example there is a church and one day they build a little chapel that uses one wall of the church, that would be accepted, right? If they built both at the same time (church for big funerals, chapel for small funerals) with a solid wall between, I would accept the chapel too. If chapel and church are under the same roof and you don't recognize the chapel as a separate part of the church from outside(!) I wouldn't accept it, because it is more a "virtual" chapel (more a part of the church than a separate building). My only problem is: It's hard to discuss all this in a foreign language. I trust that you will find the right words and that I hope (and am pretty sure) that we have the same idea of what we want to see and what not.