FlightRiskAK

Reading the other thread (which I searched for in the first place and didn't find) now leads me to believe that WW3 has already been started over this matter and is ongoing. Nice. After giving the matter some thought, the only logical reason I can come up with to explain why this has not been fixed yet is that if this problem were to be fixed then a lot of other programming matters that rely on the data typed in this box would break causing the programmers a major headache to fix the cascade of crashes caused by this one little problem. That in my humble opinion is what I think is going on. Otherwise, after all of this time, the problem would have been fixed.

When I type the coords in that box, using Firefox 16, then click search, a box comes up on the map that says search request and below that the coords I am searching for then below that says latitude and longitude and below that lists the old coords and that is where the "little guy" goes and what is saved. There is no editing that box, you can only click the "x" in the corner and get out of it but then the coords change back to the old ones in the box above. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous and needs a programmer to fix it. It should not be this difficult. It is a programming error plain and simple. Granted, my original coords aren't off by much but it should be a relatively simple task to update it. I hate to see what would happen if I move across town or across country!

That is my problem too. I finally managed to fix my home coordinates. It seems that there is no way to save anything manually typed into the text box. Only the result of s search or the result of moving the little man can be saved. I managed to zoom in really close and then carefully move the little man to restore my home coordinates. I know you said in your OP that you could not get the little man to land where you want. Have you tried zooming in on the map fairly close? It gave me pretty good control over getting the coordinates just right. I will try that. Crazy that you can't just type the coords in the box and be done with it!

That is my problem too.

Yes, that is the page.

I just edited the numbers (highlight, backspace twice, type new numbers). Every time I clicked search it reverted back to the old numbers not the new ones. All I did was change the last two digits of the Northing and Westing. I tried moving the little man around but couldn't get it to land where I needed it too. It was always off a bit. I didn't do any copy/paste or change the format of the way it was entered. If I had the coordinates typed in correctly, the save changes button did not save the changes and my profile reverted back to the bad coords from a crappy GPS I used to have.

Seriously, is it possible to update the home location on your profile? Yes, yes, yes, I found the home location, clicked change, typed in the correct coordinates, tried everything in the book including "save changes" button and it reverted back to the old incorrect coordinates. I seem to be able to edit everything else on the page correction except the home location. I've tried for a good 30 minutes which is way longer than the two or less minutes it should have take to type in the correct coordinates. I did get it to save some random coordinates that was miles from what I typed in. It was hell to get it changed back to the old but closer to home coordinates. This really shouldn't be that difficult!

There are a lot of issues with this question. When taking a set of coords after hiding a cache, many hiders do not have the option of averaging coordinates to ensure accuracy. They won't take the time to navigate back to the hide to double check either. You can take 10 people with 10 GPSr to the same spot and they will all come up with something different. If a cell phone of any type is involved the inaccuracy becomes even greater. A lot of environmental factors mess with accuracy of coordinates and those factors can vary by the day and time of day, weather, etc. In our area we generally accept that within 20ft is allowable. However, as a CO, I appreciate a note in the logs if someone finds the coords "off". Several notes tells me I need to go back out and recheck. I've actually found a few of my caches to have been moved by another cacher, explaining why the coords are off! What a lot of people in my area do is average a set of coordinates if they feel they are off, and when posting their log they check the box for "adding coordinates" and then type in their coords. That helps future cachers and if they are agreeing with the new coords, again, its time for the CO to take a look. As for misrepresenting the coords intentionally to make the hide more difficult, I agree, it is cheap but we have a lot of cheap players who lack creativity. Not much you can do about that. However, if the coords are known to fluctuate based on the terrain and environment, it makes sense to increase the difficulty level. I would say, if you have a hider who intentionally hides with sketchy coords, just filter them out and don't look for their hides. Or, if you do and you find it post updated coords and move on.

My suggestion, for what it is worth... A separate but prominent forum on safety issues, things like fall harnesses, why use them, how to use them, when they are actually useful, avoiding wildlife encounters, what to do if you have a wildlife encounter, stopping bleeding and what to pack with you for this,etc just a place to get information much the same as the forum we are in but one that addresses specific safety topics minus the comments from the peanut gallery. Anyone who is interested can go through the forum. Maybe it needs a prominent link on the main page. I know a lot of people who have never seen these forums but if they saw a prominent link they just might look at it. It won't be a cure-all because some people will take unneccessary risks no matter what. But maybe it will provide information for those who are interested and maybe that curiosity seeking will come in handy when faced with a dangerous situation. On another note, a "caution" log would be handy sometimes. Knowing the bridge from the north is washed out but the trail from the west is passable would be handy. Just an wild example but useful information none-the-less. A Caution log could be entered voluntarily by the CO or other cacher, rather than Groundspeak taking the initiative to post the warning, thereby possible bringing up a liability issue for them. Just as we can filter out certain things, we could filter out these logs if we weren't interested. Personally, I would probably filter out all the found logs just because TFTC bores me to death, but if a caution log was an option I would probably look at it just because it might be handy to know. But, no matter what happens, no one can stop a risk taker from doing something that will ultimately end their life. Sadly, it happens every day in every aspect of life. But providing a "Caution" or "warning" log type couldn't really hurt right?

There are certainly a number of people in this game "for the numbers" and another number of people who get starry-eyed and drooling over another person's stats but a little research will show who is lying, armchair logging, whatever. At least in my community that will get you shunned by other cachers in a heartbeat. We work very hard for the geocaching community and try to police our own as best we can. For those of us with a love for the sport, doing the right thing is a priority. We would not search for a cache in a National Park or any other area where they are not allowed, however.... Searching for an archived cache itself should not be a big problem. Most of the time one would be wasting time that they could spend finding a cache that really exists, provided the activity takes place in an area where geocaches are allowed by the property owner. I personally use GSAK and have a large database of geocaches in my area. In my early days of playing this game I didn't realize you could get "archived" logs to let you know when a cache goes out of play. My GPS holds 100s of thousands of caches so I initially loaded every cache in the state so I would be ready no matter where I was. That meant chasing archived caches that I didn't realize were archived until I got home to log them. It also meant DNFing in the field a lot of caches that wasted my time due my lack of knowledge at the time. Now that I know a bit more, I look at why the cache was archived before I remove it from my GPS. If it has a history of not being found, the CO states that he has retrieved the container and is voluntarily taking the cache out of play or the cache is in an off limits area, I remove it from my GPS. Sometimes, though, a cacher posts a "needs maintenance" log because there is no pencil in the cache, the log is full, or the travel bug is missing. Rookie errors but once that icon is posted the CO must answer it or eventually a reviewer archives the cache. I don't mind searching for these and will even replace the log. For me, the fun us in the search and being taken to a place I didn't know existed until the cache drew me in. I won't split hairs over a CO failing to maintain. Unfortunately, this game is riddled with prolific hiders who never touch their cache again after the initial hide. There are a lot of arguments for and against seeking an archived cache but in the end, it should be a personal choice. If the armchair logger chooses to log caches that don't exist it will become obvious, as it has, to all of us that that person is finding nothing and deserves no respect. If I had my way, I would have my numbers and stats hidden from everyone but my friends. Your numbers don't matter to me. Mine shouldn't matter to anyone. And the armchair logger's numbers will become useless pretty quick if no one can see them and bow down in awe at his "geocaching skill" Truth be told, would anyone go someplace they shouldn't be, either for safety or legal or whatever reason, if they couldn't own bragging rights?