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  1. Now, this is frogress! The peasants rejoice!!!
  2. Well, as long as I remain the happiest pup, y'all can debate amongst yourselves for the "smartest" bit. It's all moot anyhow, what with an ubergenius in our midst and all....
  3. Okay, responding to a post with rudeness and then ignorance after it's been clearly explained to you will get you nowhere. 44.588 is .588 of a degree. The degree system of coordinates is based on the idea that the earth is 360 degrees around at the equator. Each degree is subdivided into minutes (60 minutes per degree) and seconds (60 seconds per minute). The format you mentioned is decimal degrees, a format that ignores minutes and seconds and expresses the fractional part of the degree in a decimal format. The case of Latitude is constant as far as the feet/decimal calculation goes since the lines of longitude (going N/S in loops meeting at the poles). The lines of longitude are different and depend completely on latitude. Longitude runs around the earth in the E/W direction and are parallel. At the equator, the length of a line of latitude is the circumference of the earth; at the poles, the length of the line approaches zero. Note how you can walk around the world latitude-wise near the pole in seconds whereas at the equator (latitude zero) it wold take quite a while. Any more info, please look at the wiki site on latitude and longitude. Good luck and please do a little homework before coming in and hurling insults. You might want to rethink the glasses idea - the referenced format (bold above) is actually decimal minutes, not decimal degrees. It ignores the seconds (only) and express them as a decimal componant of the minutes (the 05.xxx in the example). right, right. So, to answer jacknsue's question, .528 = Latitude: 3,206 feet. So, .528 is more than 528 feet.
  4. Yes, yes! Right, indeed. Ok. Deep breath. Chad's friend - you take care of the people with the pitchforks and ask them to stop. I've got the people with the torches. Chimp - please continue to ensure the horse is dead by beating it (can't very well get ahead of the cart if it is dead, now can it? Unless a steep slope is involved) and after that continue to talk calmly to the masses. Nothing to see here. Move along...
  5. No, on your GPSr, 528ft equals .10 .... or so I'm assuming, since most of us are not sure what you mean by .528 - unless you refer to the coordinates (degree decimal minutes D MM.MMM), in which case .528 difference would be: Latitude: 3, 206 feet. Longitude: 1,951 feet. I think folks aren't deliberately trying to heckle, they just are not understanding your question. Hope this helps! edit: I forgot to mention, I doubt the "doorknob" comment was helping your cause for a serious answer in addition to the misunderstanding....
  6. Het beste zou zijn om die vraag hier in uw lokale discussie: http://forum.geocaching.nl.
  7. edit - forum and dupe post glitch. Mischief - yeah, that's what I'm sayin' ....
  8. From the USFS Mission: "Mission The mission of the USDA Forest Service is to sustain the health, diversity, and productivity of the Nation’s forests and grasslands to meet the needs of present and future generations. Motto: Caring for the Land and Serving People The phrase, "CARING FOR THE LAND AND SERVING PEOPLE," captures the Forest Service mission. As set forth in law, the mission is to achieve quality land management under the sustainable multiple-use management concept to meet the diverse needs of people: It includes: •Advocating a conservation ethic in promoting the health, productivity, diversity, and beauty of forests and associated lands. •Listening to people and responding to their diverse needs in making decisions. •Protecting and managing the National Forests and Grasslands so they best demonstrate the sustainable multiple-use management concept. Providing technical and financial assistance to State and private forest landowners, encouraging them to practice good stewardship and quality land management in meeting their specific objectives. •Providing technical and financial assistance to cities and communities to improve their natural environment by planting trees and caring for their forests. •Providing international technical assistance and scientific exchanges to sustain and enhance global resources and to encourage quality land management. •Helping States and communities to wisely use the forests to promote rural economic development and a quality rural environment. •Developing and providing scientific and technical knowledge aimed at improving our capability to protect, manage, and use forests and rangelands. •Providing work, training, and education to the unemployed, underemployed, elderly, youth, and disadvantaged in pursuit of our mission." I think if we, the geocaching community, take some efforts to not appear the raving lunatics as pointed out by others, then we better stand a chance of being "the people" to which "to listen"....
  9. The concerns of OP and many others on this topic revovle around the fact that we only hurt ourselves as a community. Angry logs on cache pages, heated emails to rangers and their supervisors, and other acts of outrage do not help our cause. In the cache guidelines, we are told to obtain permission; we are told and agree to understanding local rules and regulations. With knowing the location of the Wilderness Areas provided by Isonzo and the Forest Service's guidelines (at Stewardship of Wilderness in the National Forests - A Forest Service Desk Guide for Managers) we can probably all manage to work togetherand maintain an ability to place caches in National Forests. We do indeed own the forests. However, we can manage to get the "authorities" to become draconian and crack down, and reversing intolerant policies can take years. It's probably better to work with the USFS up front, besides, the cache guidelines require us to do so.
  10. Kind of par for course regarding any TB, eh?
  11. After much contemplation, I have come to the same conclusion.
  12. I think that blank log has more to do with the Bermuda Triangle-like aspects of your cache there, with things disappearing and reappearing and such. No, my money is on that the cat's online log will re-appear online in 2013....
  13. What about an online log that is simply "SL"? The finder signed the log, completing the requirement necessary to submit an online 'find' log. The message that the cache owner should take from it is that his/her cache is still present and findable. Uh, I thought that meant that the cache is still present and findable? The SL portion probably means "I have to write something in this block, or else the system won't let me have the smiley (which incidentally means "cache is still present and findable)."
  14. Dude, the preferred nomenclature to "long time ago" is "in the days not so long ago in which we had different guidelines and appeal procedures." Tell me if one thing has changed: who gets the chocolate now that hydee is a retired lackey? Hmmmm? Ack! I did indeed steer wrong, my white urkel friend! It is appeals@, not contact@. You know, I'm going to go back under the "long time ago" rock from which I crawled... Once again, Keystone demonstrates he's a swell guy who restores the peasants' confidence in reviewers and the review process in general. (and, no, my pursed lips are not firmly planted upon his buttocks!)
  15. 4) Some caches take me to the "cool" places in an area which I've never been. 5) Caching is an on-line diary of my travels. 6) It gives a "purpose" to my exploratory nature and behavior. For 4, whether moving to a new place or visiting a new place, caching is a great way to get out and about. Carefully selected caches get me to the cool hiking, fishing, hunting, and historical places. For 5, the log dates of caches found and not found are a calendar of where and when I was at a place. To review cache logs on vacation, I then remember the day, the smells, the sights, and the family. The last time I was away from my home and family for a year, it was a great way to remember and reflect upon photos happier times. Sort of a "memory bank."
  16. Yup, I have twice. Ultimately, both caches were approved. The first one was discussed in the forums, and can be found at this link: angst over cache approval. The second one, I just appealed to contact@geocaching.com, and had an answer within three days. Both times, the reviewer was dead-right on not approving the caches IAW the guidelines. However, I learned on both that the guidelines are there for common sense, and sometimes common sense doesn't fit the guidelines. TPTB applied common sense and made an exception to the guidelines in both of mine.
  17. From the guidelines - "should contain a signature stamp that stays with the box, and they must conform to the guidelines for geocaches and therefore must contain a logbook and involve GPS use as an integral part of the hunt. A letterbox hybrid cannot be designed to be found using only clues. " It doesn't sound like your idea conforms to the bold part there. It sounds as if you have a ? cache idea, which then of course would be a mystery cache as opposed to a letterbox hybrid. The few letterboxes I've seen (7 or so across almost as many states) have had the coordinates for the cache as the cache's location. There have been two that were so well hidden that reading the letterbox description made the find faster.... edit - I forgot to add, send a note to your reviewer and see what they say. Forums = opinion of forum addicts. Reviewer notes = likely closer to the reality of your local caching problem.
  18. Agreed, cultural angsts aside, understanding the current lingua franca, which currently is accepted as English, and including a cache description in that language may be a nice courtesy. If the lingua franca should switch to some other language (say, Trollish for example), then I'll gladly provide a link to google translator on my page that would allow a cacher to quickly translate my cache page to the current lingua franca (assuming, of course, that I would not know the newly accepted lingua franca, which if it is Trollish, me got I somes probleems, sinse me not no Trollish).
  19. I was in total disagreement with this practice, until I realized the "getting started" section had changed from "find a cache, if you find something/take something, sign the logbook" is now: Register for a free membership. Click "Hide & Seek a Cache." Enter your postal code and click "search." Choose any geocache from the list and click on its name. Enter the coordinates of the geocache into your GPS Device. Use your GPS device to assist you in finding the hidden geocache. Sign the logbook and return the geocache to its original location. Share your geocaching stories and photos online. Now, I see your perspective in scratching out the names in the logbook. I can relate and understand, but at the same time I'm not saying I would do it, since I do not see the last step of "share your geocaching stories and photos online" as an inclusive requirement to everything that comes before it... Hmmm. Now I'm really getting to think. On a maintenance run, if I find the cache not in the place it was originally hidden, I'm deleting all finds from the time of the previous visit by me, since clearly one of those cachers did not abide by the second to the last step and "return the geocache to its original location." Or, I'll just go have a Landshark and relax, merely sticking to deleting bogus online logs as is listed in the placement guidelines....
  20. Such a great point! Goodness. I have yet to have anyone get upset with me for the 100 or more caches which I've found and not logged online. Not one fellow cacher seeing it in the log and emailing, not one cache owner emailing me with dissapointment that I had neglected to leave evidence on this listing site. Yet, I was at an event cache where I found a cache (was given the coordinates by the event cache organizer), which had an "ALR" to carry the cache and assosciated heavy chains uphill to a second set of coordinates. OMG. A "purist" in the area made a big stink on the cache listing, in local forums, and pissed about in general (the cache is here if anyone really cares to read the drama and angst) - I was not the cache owner, but from their perspective "placed" the cache and should not have logged it as a find. That same cacher undoubtedly noted some physical caches which I've found yet did not log online, but nary a peep from this sort of "purist" cacher. Interesting, indeed...
  21. Lack of civility in logs, whether or not such civility and kindness is "required," is more condusive to the "game" being a pleasant activity for all involved. Ego aside, a "TFTC" online log tells little to the the CO or to other "players." Is it required? Certainly not, yet from my experience, which some such as you tend to discount since folks know everything there is to know with 100 or so finds, is that a well-written log increases comraderie, esprit, and a fun spirit in the community. My perception of a "TFTC" or an acronym-laden log is that it tends to be rude, since someone took the effort of placing a cache, I take the effort of documenting my journey to finding it. I don't loose sleep over a TFTC, I just shrug, think "well, that's nice," and move on. Lack of civility and personal attacks in the forum is also hardly condusive to pleasantry in the "game."
  22. My brain just turned on this morning and here is the thought that automatically spit out. Geocaching has ONE requirement for a true "find" and that is signing the physical log. At that point the cacher has the option of logging it online. At that point the cacher has an option to write something in a box with a one (or a couple) character requirement. At that point the cacher has the option of just placing a couple random characters in the box or a complete novel (with a word limit, I'm sure). At that point the cache owner will get an email stating the cache was found And at that point the cache owner has the option to smile that someone found their cache. Everything after that is on the cache owner. The cacher did their "job" and the cache was found, if they signed the log. Whine about short logs, whine about copy and paste logs, whine about whatever you want but if you get anything more than an Email from GS telling you the cache was found, be happy. Once you expect more than the simple Email telling you that the cache was found you have lost the fun. TFTC!
  23. You know, I've got a new cache in the reviewer que. I think I'm going to go find it prior to it getting published, and not only log it, but "steal" the FTF too.
  24. Quite impressive! At zero finds, I had no idea about FTFs. You are quite well researched even before beginning your caching career! Egos can hurt the adventure only if you allow them to do so. Why is your ego insulted that someone "stole" an FTF? It is not what other people do to you that counts, but rather your attitude toward everything around you that affects your "adventure."
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