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The policy list what is not included under "Treasure Hunting". If Geocaching was included you would have been correct. 2724.44 - Treasure Hunting This designation includes the search for and recovery of hidden treasure. It does not include: 1. Lost or abandoned property that falls under the General Services Administration authority in 40 U.S.C. 310. 2. Archaeological resources or specimens defined at 36 CFR 296. 3. Locatable minerals, as defined by the 1872 Mining Act (30 U.S.C. 21-54), or leasable minerals under either the Act of 1920 (30 U.S.C. 181) or the Act of 1947 (30 U.S.C. 351-359). 4. Recent vintage coins or other small objects of recent age often found with the aid of a metal detector. No significant excavation is involved. The search is a recreation pursuit confined to areas with no historic or prehistoric value.

And tell me why you deleted the Facebook page, which seems to have gotten lost in the last several posts here. Geez, I just suggested you should change your settings. I hope you can get the deleted content back. refer to post #216. I made everyone admin and removed myself from the page.

How can you "claim" that my website is "either a blatant lie or a massive delusion"? Everything on my website page titled "Texas" is copied directly from the stated official websites and include links at the exact page. Hence, cherry-picked. Also, do official websites really spell it "forrest?" No,cherry picking here, just law information placed on the website as I find it. The misspelling on the email was my typo.

If you really want to be helpful.... Give VERY specific examples of the state/federal laws you keep referring to. Give VERY specific examples of the ways in which you think they are being ignored by cachers/reviewers. Give VERY specific suggestions for improvement. Drop all the vitriol. Give VERY specific examples of the state/federal laws you keep referring to. =>Refer http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/texas/recreation/policy/geo_cache_regional_policy_fs_manual.pdf 2724.44 - Treasure Hunting 1. This designation includes the temporary placement of personal property for the purpose of geo-caching. 36 CFR 261.10(a) requires a special use authorization for occupancy and use of National Forest system land. This is further supported by 36 CFR 261.10(e) that prohibits abandoning personal property on National Forest system land. Give VERY specific examples of the ways in which you think they are being ignored by cachers/reviewers. http://coord.info/GC2P4AT = Owner Mousetrap knew of above law =refer http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=197140&st=0&p=3530554entry3530554 http://coord.info/GC2P5DW = Owner Onthefly Crew Give VERY specific suggestions for improvement. Inform Reviewer about the law – A task that was completed on December 21, 2010 From: Bradley Henley <bradleyhenley@yahoo.com> Date: December 21, 2010 11:49:16 AM CST To: Prime Reviewer <prime.reviewer@gmail.com> Subject: USDA Forest Service - Recreation, Heritage and Wilderness I know this may look like I am coming across a complete a******, however, as a Geocacher in East Texas I feel like it is my responsibility to make you aware of what is happening in this area. I respect you and hope that you understand that this is just for the good of the sport. As you may have heard, geocaching has recently received many negative remarks, press, and comments due to geocachers not following the rules and regulations set forth by Groundspeak and State/Federal laws, as well as common sense. I've talked to many officials who have no idea that these caches have been hidden in there parks, National Forrest, or on Historical Sites. Many of the caches hidden inside our National Forrest are small plastic containers which would not survive the controlled burns. Some of which have been nailed to, or fixed to trees by wire, then spray painted. A few are on Stop signs, or U.S. government property (Post Boxes, National Forrest Signs). There is a permit you have to fill out and a regional yearly fee as well. Please look into this. Thank you. Bradley Henley bradleyhenley@yahoo.com U.S. National Forrest Regions: Texas is in Region 8. http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/texas/recreation/policy/geo_cache_regional_policy_fs_manual.pdf Mousetrap brought this up in a Groundspeak Forum in 2008: http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=197140&st=0&p=3530554entry3530554 PLEASE see attached .pdf which talks about placement of a geocache in U.S. National Forrest.

How can you "claim" that my website is "either a blatant lie or a massive delusion"? Everything on my website page titled "Texas" is copied directly from the stated official websites and include links at the exact page.

But why do you think that it's YOU that needs to be informing them, or me, on how the game should be played? This site does a pretty good job of explaining the guidelines, gives lots of examples, has links, and and entire Getting Started section of the forums filled with threads to properly inform people. In the mean time, you've appointed yourself as an authority figure on what should and shouldn't be allowed, or how caching should or shouldn't be done. BTW, I knew this wouldn't be true as soon as I read it: "So in conclusion my final statement on this thread..." 1)But why do you think that it's YOU that needs to be informing them, or me, on how the game should be played? => Because someone should address the existence of the laws. 2)This site does a pretty good job of explaining the guidelines, gives lots of examples, has links, and and entire Getting Started section of the forums filled with threads to properly inform people. => This site does explain the guidelines, give examples, has links, forum threads, and the Getting Started section to relay the requirements set forth by geocaching.com (Groundspeak) but the site does not relay civilian rules, guidelines, laws associated with GPS "Treasure Hunting" activities. 3)In the mean time, you've appointed yourself as an authority figure on what should and shouldn't be allowed, or how caching should or shouldn't be done. => I have not appointed myself as any type of authority in any fashion. I have sited government website and laws pertaining to the activity of geocaching. 4)BTW, I knew this wouldn't be true as soon as I read it: "So in conclusion my final statement on this thread..." => I was going to leave on that final thought. But after several misguided attempts from the laws to comments on my personal views and random articles about geocaching. I had to speak.

So because I think your site does not do a great job of getting your points across I am a criminal. Well I guess I should put on my ski mask to conceal my identity I know there are geocachers on the forums who obey the laws, and I applaud these responsible geocachers. On the other hand, I see many people stating they do not and/or will not follow established laws. This is my issue. The laws are laws. Bradley I understand and respect what you are trying to do. But let me offer this advice... you can't save the world. When I first started playing I let every little detail get to me. This one is not doing this right, that one is not doing that right, ect. After a while, it just sucked the fun out of it. As fate would have it, life drug me away from the game for a bit, and it was probably the best thing that happened. Yes I still have strong opinions on a lot of topics, but I relinquished the imaginary ability to control what anyone else does, or how they choose to play. I don't care what it is, sooner or later, if you try hard enough, you cand find a flaw, or find fault with it. As a great friend of mine once told me, "dude, you are letting them occupy entirely too much space in your mind. Send out some eviction notices." I would also add... and this is just me... man up!! Stop being so easily manipulated by every poster who replies here. Its YOUR website. Do your research, post your findings, add your opinion, and if they don't like it? Pizz on 'em... from a great height. Thank You. I understand but when a noob reads thru these forums I want to stress the importance of being properly informed.

So because I think your site does not do a great job of getting your points across I am a criminal. Well I guess I should put on my ski mask to conceal my identity I know there are geocachers on the forums who obey the laws, and I applaud these responsible geocachers. On the other hand, I see many people stating they do not and/or will not follow established laws. This is my issue. The laws are laws.

Yes. The removal of the Facebook page is troubling. I am again reminded that violators will continue to deny any existence of state and federal laws. Just as my website (with links to the official laws) has been down played and the main concern has been diverted from the laws to my personal views. As such I feel that I am again speaking to the correct violators that the laws were written for. By belittling www.geocacheresponsibly.info and I you have again proven my point that the laws are being blatantly disregarded on a massive scale. Come on guys. He has links to official sites. Like bright hub and yahoo. Stop diverting away from the laws. Bright Hub is a random article about geocaching. Yahoo is my e-mail address.

Yes. The removal of the Facebook page is troubling. I am again reminded that violators will continue to deny any existence of state and federal laws. Just as my website (with links to the official laws) has been down played and the main concern has been diverted from the laws to my personal views. As such I feel that I am again speaking to the correct violators that the laws were written for. By belittling www.geocacheresponsibly.info and I you have again proven my point that the laws are being blatantly disregarded on a massive scale.

How has the website mislead people? Each and every statement about the laws has the official links to the law.

I did not delete the page. I made everyone admin and then left the page. Someone deleted the page after.

The page has been deleted. So no more worries.

What I read in his final comment is that "I'm done with you because nobody agrees with me and tells me how wonderful I am." He has a different reception over on facebook and that is why he moved there. Not surprising. Even the con-artist who has published exactly one Geocaching Magazine issue since 2008, and is still threatening to publish more and taking more money from more people as we speak, gets nothin' but love on Facebook, and has like 500 fans. Facebook is just a regular lovefest, isn't it? Seriously though, Bradley Henley, if he's still reading this, needs to change his Facebook settings so ANYONE can see his Geocache Responsibly Facebook page. I'm a non-Facebooker (and probably always will be), but I need to log in to see any of his content. I would think he would want anyone to be able to see his wall and most of his content. The "Geocache - Responsibly" Facebook page is open for anyone. Facebook imposes the log-in to see policy not me.

I have grown tired of this thread and the continued scrutiny by so many wonderful geocachers. I have listened to all the comments about MY website and what YOU think about it. I have redesigned the pages multiple times removing my personal statements from the beginning. I have entertained your petty issues complaining about my usage of the word “sport” instead of “activity” and have went as far as changing the reference on my website. I have even posted a statement stating: “These missions are my personal guidelines offered for view not debate. The main purpose of this website has been the blatant disregard for State and Federal Laws associated with the activity of geocaching.” I have even gone as far as deleting part of my personal view/guideline in the hopes that my message would get thru. And still my message falls on blind eyes and my voice falls on deaf ears. So in conclusion my final statement on this thread is: IF YOU DON’T WANT TO FOLLOW THE STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS GOVERNING THE “SPORT/ACTIVITY” OF GEOCACHING THEN YOU MY FELLOW GEOCACHER PUBLIC WILL BE THE DOWN FALL OF THE “SPORT/ACTIVITY”.

That's funny. I see it. I see incomplete information and poor humor.

@ NYPaddleCacher I do not see this "dissemination of information" you speack of. Prime Reviewer Member Since: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 Last Visit: Wednesday, 09 March 2011 Status: Premium Member, Reviewer E-Mail Address: Send Message Home Page: Visit Homepage Forum Title: Faith In Chaos See the Forum Posts for This User Shining Happy People Profile Information: Reviewing Your Cache Submission Why are the people above shining and happy? Their cache was approved, because they read and followed the Cache Placement Guidelines before they placed their cache. Thus, they received the golden orb of approval happiness. The people above would never place a cache that's closer then 1/10 of a mile to another cache. If they're placing a multi-cache, they would check that each stage also follows this rule. Everyone deserves a little space. The shining happy people would never place a cache within 150 feet of a railroad track, because they know that area belongs to the railroad company, and they get grumpy if things are placed in their right-of-way. The people above know that they would never receive the golden orb if they submitted a physical cache that didn't have a log book. Trying to submit a "code-word" cache is the path to darkness, and will not be allowed. The shining happy people know that when they submit a multi-cache, or any cache where the actual location is not the one posted, they should create a Waypoint entries to indicate where the actual locations are, including all the stages of a multi-cache. That way, they know they're following the golden path to quick approval. While everyone has favorite restaurants and places they like to shop, the shining happy people know not to promote businesses on their cache pages. Anything beyond simply mentioning that the cache is near the business will cause the golden orb to disappear. The shining happy people know that virtual caches are no longer being published on geocaching.com. If you've found something really special, and can't make it part of a physical cache, see if there's a place for it over on Waymarking.com. The shining happy people know that sometimes, bad things happen to good caches. But they also know that disabling a cache is meant to be a temporary measure. If you can't get your cache repaired in a timely manner, you should archive it, so that it will stop showing up in search lists. It's also not fair when your disabled cache prevents others from placing a cache in the same area. Remember, geocaching is about finding caches, and they can't be found if they're not there. If a cache has been disabled for too long, and a reviewer archives it, the shining happy people know not to get upset about it. When your cache has been repaired, it can always be un-archived (as long as it still follows the current guidelines). Contacting the Reviewer If you need to contact me via EMAIL concerning one of your caches, include the WAYPOINT ID. Let me repeat that. Include the WAYPOINT ID. Cache names are not unique, and I handle hundreds of caches a week, so the odds that I'll know what cache you're referring to, without the waypoint ID, is pretty much zero. If you email me without this information, you will only get back a message asking for the waypoint ID, which is wasting both your time and mine. This is why I prefer to handle pre-publication cache issues with Reviewer Notes, since the system will automatically add the cache info, and I'll automatically know what cache it's about. However, after a cache has been published, do not use Reviewer Notes, because I remove the cache from my watchlist after it's published, and I'll never receive it. Missing and Disabled Caches If your cache seems to be missing or damaged, another cacher may post a "Needs Archived" note. I automatically receive a copy of these messages. Unless there is a problem that needs to be resolved immediately (a trespassing issue, for example) I will give the owner several days to address the problem. After that time period has passed, I will assess the situation. If the recent logs seem to indicate an actual problem, I may disable the cache. Once that has been done, the owner has 30 days to deal with the problem (or at a minimum, indicate via a log that he or she is aware of the problem, and will attempt to address it). If there is no response after the 30 days has passed, the cache may be archived. Caches Disabled for an Extended Period The "Disable Cache" function is intended to be used for a short time. That means a few weeks, not a few months. A disabled cache will continually show up in search lists, and while there's no cache to be found, it prevents someone from placing a new cache in the area that others can find. If your cache has been disabled for more than 4 months, a warning note will be posted to the cache. If after approximately 30 days after the warning has been posted, there is no response from the owner, the cache may be archived. Please note that this is the cache owner's responsibility. Do NOT put out a new cache, if you are not actually the cache owner. Mass Submissions of Caches There is a right way and a wrong way to submit a large group of caches. The wrong way is to create a large number of cache, then activate them all at once, with no advace warning to the Reviewer. Doing so pretty much guarantees that your submissions will be put on hold, and not processed until the existing caches in the queue have been reviewed. They will be held because it is not fair to everyone else to have the review of their caches delayed because of the actions of one person. The right way is to first inform your reviewer of your intentions. Then submit your caches for review as you create them. Include a Review Note on each cache, asking for it to be reviewed and held until either a chosen date, or until you contact the reviewer. By doing so, you will not end up surprised at the last minute to find out that half your caches are unpublishable (yes, this has happened). Texas State Parks Yes, it's true - to place a cache in a Texas State Park, State Forest, or a State Nature Area, it needs to conform to certain guidelines, and you must submit a permit for the cache placement. Most of the guidelines are those that, as a good geocacher, you're already following. You can download a copy of the guidelines and permit (in PDF format). Permits are good for 1 year, but they are renewable. If there is not a permit on file for your cache, or its permit has expired, it is subject to removal. A Little About Me I'm one of the cache reviewers for geocaching.com. My find count has been in quadruple digits for a while, as I've been geocaching since just a few months after its creation. This profile is strictly for reviewing and managing caches. My finds and hidden caches are, of course, under my civilian account.

Just a thought, maybe that statement is true for the simple reason that the "laws" are not being ignored nearly as much as you believe them to be?? The issue or issues I pursuit are based on my observations. And on the outside chance that I am not the only one seeing the same issue again and again then my website could inform fellow geocachers. In my geocaching area I have seen the disregard for the laws and noted the cache, cache owner, and reviewer. On news articles and news websites I have seen multiple bomb scares (Like Disney) and entire geocache runs being archived (E.T. Highway) I am open to suggestions and I truly mean no harm to the game. I am only being proactive attempting to head off a fairly broad issue that I have personally seen. If I had only seen a couple slights then I probably would not have spent this much time and money on a website.

This issue has already been addressed by Ninja R. My Rewrite: Steps #1 - Actively look for a geocache, if not found, log as DNF! - Read past logs, Note if anyone has posted difficult find, or if the owner stated difficult find on the cache page. - You may want to contact the owner directly thru the Geocaching.com website. Step #2 - 2 weeks later, if no new logs (owner response), log needs maintenance. Step #3 - 1 month later, if still no new logs (owner response), log a needs archived. Step #4 - 1 month later, if the reviewer has not disabled, log needs archived Bring that Texas only has one reviewer and there are a multitude of geocaches being published, disabled, and archived daily. Follow - up can take up to and including several months as I have experienced. This re-write helps how? on rural infrequently found caches?? My 8 finds in 4 years cache is just a 2.5 terrain and 1.5 difficulty. Its just way out in the sticks - not difficult. I have logged DNF on caches rated 1 and 1.5 and 2 and then they were found by the next visitor. In some cases as much as a year later. Again - DNF does not equate to missing - it means Did Not Find. Your steps are terribly misleading. Please, I implore you to listen to some advice here for rural areas. Since this one mission view seems to bother everyone, I have decided to delete the mission view. Everyone seems to be hung up on my mission views not the issues with the ignored laws (The entire reason for the website).

I have updated the site per your suggestions. Please allow 5-10 minutes for the site to update. Random Articles are just that. Random articles from the web that I found while searching. Minor point: it could also be a secondary or rouge account.

This issue has already been addressed by Ninja R. My Rewrite: Steps #1 - Actively look for a geocache, if not found, log as DNF! - Read past logs, Note if anyone has posted difficult find, or if the owner stated difficult find on the cache page. - You may want to contact the owner directly thru the Geocaching.com website. Step #2 - 2 weeks later, if no new logs (owner response), log needs maintenance. Step #3 - 1 month later, if still no new logs (owner response), log a needs archived. Step #4 - 1 month later, if the reviewer has not disabled, log needs archived Bring that Texas only has one reviewer and there are a multitude of geocaches being published, disabled, and archived daily. Follow - up can take up to and including several months as I have experienced.

I want everyone to know and have access to the State, Federal, and Corps of engineers laws and views of Geocaching. Here in East Texas I realized that the laws were known (Geocacher Mousetrap posted the same Region 8 laws in I believe 2008 here on Geocaching.com forum) and were disregarded by the veteran cachers (Geocacher Mousetrap is part of the Piney woods Cachers who have placed multiple caches in question). After review Yes it was 2008 Refer: http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=197140&st=0&p=3530554entry3530554

Check to website. I redesigned it yesterday. I removed me ranting at the beginning and posted links to every statement. I also posted a statement at the top of Mission about this being my view.

**BE Advised** I do not participate in facebook. I will not participate in facebook. Not on train. Not in the rain. Just being informative.

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