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  1. quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: With that kind of lapse between hitting the reply button and actually posting the reply, I guess it's a good idea to check back on what you're commenting on. Yes, apparently so. Thanks for the advice. You seem to be very generous in that regard. quote:But questioning the appropriateness of my placements and the reactions of the bug owners does not constitute an opinion. So what exactly DOES it constitute then? In my opinion, the primary motivation for the placement of others' travel bugs should be the goals set out for that bug. If you feel that bugs should be used as bait to attract cachers to a particular cache you like, you're entitled to that opinion...and you're entitled to place them wherever you'd like. Once a bug is 'released' the owner has entrusted those who handle it to use their own judgment on what to do with it next. quote:How absurd. My thoughts exactly! quote:As a travel bug owner, you are counting on others to help you out by moving your bug along, according to your agenda, and by providing locations for the bugs to be stored safely until grabbed. And apparently you consider that "very self-centered". quote:I do agree with you, in part: The stated goals of a bug should be adhered to as much as possible. But it is completely beyond the bug owner's control. Yep. We have to trust each other to honor our wishes, and to help in carrying them out. quote:On the practical side, once the travel bug leaves its owner's possession, that bug becomes in effect a "promotional item" in whatever cache it is placed. Apparently so, from what I've read here. And as long as it doesn't interfere with the bug's goals, or have a negative impact on the speed at which it travels (which you previously assured me it doesn't) then I don't have a problem with that. The point I was originally trying to make (which you apparently agree with) is that the PRIMARY motivation for moving a bug should be to help it with its goals. quote:Originally posted by Zuckerruebensirup: (Besides, if others don't want to help move my bugs towards their goals, I'm not twisting anyone's arm to take them out of a cache.) quote:And neither, unfortunately, can you stop them. Nope. That's part of the trust thing, and one of the risks we must be willing to take when we release a bug. quote:I've also put several not-yet-activated bugs into caches as "cache prizes," allowing whoever picked one up to activate it, attach their own item and set their own goal. They get snagged as fast as I can place them ... even faster than activated bugs. Ah, if they are so popular, I guess I'm not the only 'self-centered' person out there, then. (Or maybe those people are just eager to get out there and start promoting the caches they particularly enjoy, in a selfless act to help other deserving cache-hiders out.) {Ok, I'm doing one last quick check to see if you've updated your post since the time I started typing this, in case there's something relevant that I need to address. Nope! Alrighty then, "post" it is.}
  2. quote:Originally posted by Markwell: The first method of "stamps in a cache" would mean that we'd have to contact the owners of the 18000 active caches and have them get stamps made. Maybe we could make them all just slightly different...and get a massive volume discount on them.
  3. quote:Originally posted by Markwell: The first method of "stamps in a cache" would mean that we'd have to contact the owners of the 18000 active caches and have them get stamps made. Maybe we could make them all just slightly different...and get a massive volume discount on them.
  4. The avatar below my name at the left is actually a scan of the stamp image that I include with my signature in the logs of the caches I find. Below is a picture that a friend drew for me, that I'm checking into having made into a stamp. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  5. The avatar below my name at the left is actually a scan of the stamp image that I include with my signature in the logs of the caches I find. Below is a picture that a friend drew for me, that I'm checking into having made into a stamp. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  6. quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: But that was a "qualified" guarantee, you should have noticed. Yes, I did notice. And I still envy your optimism. quote:I received precisely zero complaints, questions, comments, or communication of any kind from any travel bug owner about any cache into which I placed their bug. "Reasonable amount of time" varied between a day or two and a month ... well within the "standard parameters" I notice for all travel bugs. Sounds reasonable enough to me. quote:Let's see ... my post didn't mention anything about "rude or inconsiderate," so that is extraneous material; Perhaps I misunderstood your intentions, but it sounded to me that you were implying that "newbies" were likely to NOT move a travel bug along in a satisfactory manner. From my experience, ignorance isn't the only (or even primary) reason that bugs get lost, delayed, or diverted from their goals. I don't see how my comment was any more extraneous than your remark about "ignorant newbies". quote:I did notice you removed the "slow but sweet" signature from the preceding post. I try to make a habit of unchecking the "signature" line in subsequent posts to the same topic thread, so that people don't have to continually scroll through the same redundant (and extraneous) statements over and over again. But thanks for noticing, and taking the time to comment on it. ( Now what was that you brought up about "extraneous" remarks?) quote:You saw the disclaimer. Actually, you added it after I had already hit the "reply" button...so, no I didn't see the disclaimer (until now). But now that I see it, thanks for the clarification. I'm glad to hear you're not as close-minded as you orginally appeared. quote:Newbies/Old timers was neither the subject nor focus of my post, but to humor you: (Perhaps it wasn't the focus, but you did bring it up, none the less. I was merely responding to your comment. So I'm not sure how you consider it humoring me when it was YOU that brought up the topic.) quote:Do you know of many new cachers who "break in" on 5/5 caches? No, but I imagine it's not many. But then, it also seems that only a very small percentage of cachers do 5/5 caches PERIOD, whether they are new or not. So, again...I'm not sure what your point is. quote:So why your concern, then? I was sharing my opinion on the topic. Since I have travel bugs out there, I think that gives me a legitimate right to voice that opinion. (Just as you are allowed to voice yours.) Living in a country with free speech is great, isn't it? quote: That's nice. Very self-centered, of course, but nice. How exactly is that "nice"? Self-centered? "Very" self-centered, even? Sure, if you say so. Does it say somewhere that when we purchase travel bug tags, that it should be with the intent to help someone else out? I guess I missed that part. (Besides, if others don't want to help move my bugs towards their goals, I'm not twisting anyone's arm to take them out of a cache.) On the other hand, when I pick up a travel bug, I try to help it toward its goal (if it has one) if practical. As I mentioned before, I think it's the travel bug owners wishes that matter. (If it's MY travel bug that means MY wishes. If it's someone ELSE's travel bug, it means THEIR wishes.) That's not self-centered...that's bug-owner-centered. But then, apparently you released your travel bug, not in order to see the goals you set for it get met, but rather to help others out somehow? Now that's nice.
  7. quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: But that was a "qualified" guarantee, you should have noticed. Yes, I did notice. And I still envy your optimism. quote:I received precisely zero complaints, questions, comments, or communication of any kind from any travel bug owner about any cache into which I placed their bug. "Reasonable amount of time" varied between a day or two and a month ... well within the "standard parameters" I notice for all travel bugs. Sounds reasonable enough to me. quote:Let's see ... my post didn't mention anything about "rude or inconsiderate," so that is extraneous material; Perhaps I misunderstood your intentions, but it sounded to me that you were implying that "newbies" were likely to NOT move a travel bug along in a satisfactory manner. From my experience, ignorance isn't the only (or even primary) reason that bugs get lost, delayed, or diverted from their goals. I don't see how my comment was any more extraneous than your remark about "ignorant newbies". quote:I did notice you removed the "slow but sweet" signature from the preceding post. I try to make a habit of unchecking the "signature" line in subsequent posts to the same topic thread, so that people don't have to continually scroll through the same redundant (and extraneous) statements over and over again. But thanks for noticing, and taking the time to comment on it. ( Now what was that you brought up about "extraneous" remarks?) quote:You saw the disclaimer. Actually, you added it after I had already hit the "reply" button...so, no I didn't see the disclaimer (until now). But now that I see it, thanks for the clarification. I'm glad to hear you're not as close-minded as you orginally appeared. quote:Newbies/Old timers was neither the subject nor focus of my post, but to humor you: (Perhaps it wasn't the focus, but you did bring it up, none the less. I was merely responding to your comment. So I'm not sure how you consider it humoring me when it was YOU that brought up the topic.) quote:Do you know of many new cachers who "break in" on 5/5 caches? No, but I imagine it's not many. But then, it also seems that only a very small percentage of cachers do 5/5 caches PERIOD, whether they are new or not. So, again...I'm not sure what your point is. quote:So why your concern, then? I was sharing my opinion on the topic. Since I have travel bugs out there, I think that gives me a legitimate right to voice that opinion. (Just as you are allowed to voice yours.) Living in a country with free speech is great, isn't it? quote: That's nice. Very self-centered, of course, but nice. How exactly is that "nice"? Self-centered? "Very" self-centered, even? Sure, if you say so. Does it say somewhere that when we purchase travel bug tags, that it should be with the intent to help someone else out? I guess I missed that part. (Besides, if others don't want to help move my bugs towards their goals, I'm not twisting anyone's arm to take them out of a cache.) On the other hand, when I pick up a travel bug, I try to help it toward its goal (if it has one) if practical. As I mentioned before, I think it's the travel bug owners wishes that matter. (If it's MY travel bug that means MY wishes. If it's someone ELSE's travel bug, it means THEIR wishes.) That's not self-centered...that's bug-owner-centered. But then, apparently you released your travel bug, not in order to see the goals you set for it get met, but rather to help others out somehow? Now that's nice.
  8. quote:Originally posted by VentureForth: Moral of the story: A few, well-hidden, non-commercial geocaches in a small area are fine. Otherwise, think hard before contributing to some potential mess. "Think hard before contributing to some potential mess." Ah, if only we all used that philosophy across the board with geocaching (and all of our activities in life, for that matter). Not only in how close we place caches to others, and the hiding spots we place them in...but also how we hide them (i.e. burying), whether or not to ask advanced permission, how we conduct ourselves when searching for a cache (i.e., littering, cutting off-trail, disturbing wildlife, etc.), what we trade for, the condition we leave the cache in, what we say in our online log (or even if we log)...etc., etc. If, before taking action, we'd pause for a moment to ask ourselves, "How will this choice affect others who follow after me, or observe my actions? How will it affect the environment? How might it be perceived by others (even if that perception is incorrect)?" perhaps we'd do a few things just a little bit differently. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  9. quote:Originally posted by VentureForth: Moral of the story: A few, well-hidden, non-commercial geocaches in a small area are fine. Otherwise, think hard before contributing to some potential mess. "Think hard before contributing to some potential mess." Ah, if only we all used that philosophy across the board with geocaching (and all of our activities in life, for that matter). Not only in how close we place caches to others, and the hiding spots we place them in...but also how we hide them (i.e. burying), whether or not to ask advanced permission, how we conduct ourselves when searching for a cache (i.e., littering, cutting off-trail, disturbing wildlife, etc.), what we trade for, the condition we leave the cache in, what we say in our online log (or even if we log)...etc., etc. If, before taking action, we'd pause for a moment to ask ourselves, "How will this choice affect others who follow after me, or observe my actions? How will it affect the environment? How might it be perceived by others (even if that perception is incorrect)?" perhaps we'd do a few things just a little bit differently. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  10. quote:Originally posted by inceptor: Thanks for the link. This is the cheapest price I have seen. Just preordered my Rino 120 today! Did your unit come in yet? If so, what do you think of it so far? ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  11. quote:Originally posted by inceptor: Thanks for the link. This is the cheapest price I have seen. Just preordered my Rino 120 today! Did your unit come in yet? If so, what do you think of it so far? ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  12. quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot:Yes, people like travel bugs, and this method seems to work very well in enticing people to visit less-visited or out-of-the-way caches. Every one I've left at caches like this has been picked up within a reasonable amount of time ... and several of them were replaced with other travel bugs. This pretty much guarantees the bug is being picked up by somebody who knows what a travel bug is, and what to do with it. Ah, a guarantee? I envy your optimism. (Besides, knowing what a travel bug is, and what to do with it...and actually following through with it, aren't always the same thing.) I'm curious what you consider a "reasonable" amount of time, and whether all the owners of the bugs you've placed be in agreement with your assessment. quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: We could turn your question around and say "Is it fair to leave a poor, defenseless travel bug in a 1/1 cache where some ignorant newbie can get his/her hands on it?" Coincidentally, I've seen plenty of "experienced" cachers who are rude, ignorant, or inconsiderate, too. I find it a bit closed-minded to equate "newbie" to "ignorant". The information for 5/5 caches are just as available to the newbies as the 1/1's are, so I'm not sure what your point is. As for where it's better to leave a travel bug, it really depends on the wishes of the owner of that particular bug. When in doubt, communication works wonders. The reason I place bugs is because I hope to see them reach the specific goals I've set out for them...I don't do it to promote other people's caches. If someone isn't willing to go to a really cool cache unless it has a travel bug in it, then it's their loss, in my opinion.
  13. quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot:Yes, people like travel bugs, and this method seems to work very well in enticing people to visit less-visited or out-of-the-way caches. Every one I've left at caches like this has been picked up within a reasonable amount of time ... and several of them were replaced with other travel bugs. This pretty much guarantees the bug is being picked up by somebody who knows what a travel bug is, and what to do with it. Ah, a guarantee? I envy your optimism. (Besides, knowing what a travel bug is, and what to do with it...and actually following through with it, aren't always the same thing.) I'm curious what you consider a "reasonable" amount of time, and whether all the owners of the bugs you've placed be in agreement with your assessment. quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: We could turn your question around and say "Is it fair to leave a poor, defenseless travel bug in a 1/1 cache where some ignorant newbie can get his/her hands on it?" Coincidentally, I've seen plenty of "experienced" cachers who are rude, ignorant, or inconsiderate, too. I find it a bit closed-minded to equate "newbie" to "ignorant". The information for 5/5 caches are just as available to the newbies as the 1/1's are, so I'm not sure what your point is. As for where it's better to leave a travel bug, it really depends on the wishes of the owner of that particular bug. When in doubt, communication works wonders. The reason I place bugs is because I hope to see them reach the specific goals I've set out for them...I don't do it to promote other people's caches. If someone isn't willing to go to a really cool cache unless it has a travel bug in it, then it's their loss, in my opinion.
  14. quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: I often leave Travel Bugs at caches I like that don't receive frequent visitors as a way to entice others to visit that site. I've found the Travel Bugs are a good draw. Is it fair to use someone else's travel bug as "bait"? I try to leave travel bugs in caches that tend to get a decent amount of activity...in hopes of giving the TB a better chance of continuing to move, rather than sitting stagnant in an unpopular cache. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  15. quote:Originally posted by The Heavenly Host: I passed a travel bug, not in a cache. quote:Originally posted by worldtraveler: Wow, I'm glad I read the rest of the post! At first I thought you had swallowed the thing earlier and were now giving us an update. Ah, yes...it must've been this TB. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  16. quote:Originally posted by The Heavenly Host: I passed a travel bug, not in a cache. quote:Originally posted by worldtraveler: Wow, I'm glad I read the rest of the post! At first I thought you had swallowed the thing earlier and were now giving us an update. Ah, yes...it must've been this TB. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  17. quote:Originally posted by Captain Kris: If there are any bugs that need to head out of state, I'll be driving the Alcan for a week of touring BC and Seattle. Except for the fact that he's currently at the opposite extreme of the country, your trip (traveling the Alcon, and going to Alaska, sounds right up my Big Al's alley (pun intended ). If you ever get a chance to repeat the trip when he's within your reach, it would be really great. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  18. quote:Originally posted by Captain Kris: If there are any bugs that need to head out of state, I'll be driving the Alcan for a week of touring BC and Seattle. Except for the fact that he's currently at the opposite extreme of the country, your trip (traveling the Alcon, and going to Alaska, sounds right up my Big Al's alley (pun intended ). If you ever get a chance to repeat the trip when he's within your reach, it would be really great. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  19. It is nice to hear examples of when things are going well with travel bugs. I also think it's admirable when people other than the TB's owner take an active interest in keeping them alive and moving along. I tend feel a bit sentimental towards the bugs that I've personally escorted, and like to watch their progress after they've left my hands. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  20. It is nice to hear examples of when things are going well with travel bugs. I also think it's admirable when people other than the TB's owner take an active interest in keeping them alive and moving along. I tend feel a bit sentimental towards the bugs that I've personally escorted, and like to watch their progress after they've left my hands. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  21. I sometimes post a picture that shows my GPSr in it, but I can't remember ever having specifically mentioned the model in a post. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  22. quote:Originally posted by moghedian: We've found cameras in quite a few caches but nobody seems to post the pictures!! I haven't had any cameras finish filling up yet. And one of my caches, including the camera, got stolen. I'm curious whether the thief tossed it out, of if they were curious enough to get it developed. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  23. quote:Originally posted by Renegade Knight: Should morons who are arrogant, rude, and condesending be blacklisted even if they post a valid find later? I agree with mtn-man on the two questions above. As for this one, I say that no, they should not be blacklisted. One, because a valid find is a valid find, and I don't think the rules should be bent because of our personal feelings for someone. (The opposite side of this coin would be to let our friends log finds on our caches that they haven't found, just because we want to help them with their counts.) But maybe even more important than the above is that, if you blacklist someone, you're liable to tick them off...and then what's to stop them from targeting your traditional caches, and plundering them as revenge? (Unless they don't live in your area...but even in that case, I still don't recommend blacklisting someone. If they put rude or inappropiate posts on your cache page, those would be fair to delete, though.) ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  24. quote:Originally posted by sbell111: It bugs me a little bit that people are so concerned with the find count of other cachers. As Kimrobin pointed out, you will never be able to compare one person's finds to the finds of another because of variations in caches from one location to the next. Why is it that when a poll is conducted related to find counts, the vast majority say that it is not about the counts. As soon as people start going after caches that individuals don't like, they must be padding their numbers. I couldn't agree more. There sure seems to be a lot of inconsistency in what people say is important to them, and what really SEEMS to be. If it's really so important to everyone that we show the numbers, I'd like to see the whole thing broken down: - Overall number of TOTAL finds - Totals for each "type" - Totals for each difficulty and terrain rating - Number of caches within a 60 mile radius of the user's home zipcode. (And even those breakdowns still don't make the comparisons "fair"...but it gives us a little better picture than the simple lump sum comparison does.) ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
  25. quote:Originally posted by james f weisbeck kd7mxi terra utah: Poll Question: is the aircraft crash sites cache poor taste? if poor taste WHY? let jeremy and the othe staff @ geocaching know what you think Results (49 votes counted so far): NO 24/49% YES 13/27% [This message was edited by james f weisbeck kd7mxi terra utah on May 19, 2002 at 11:40 PM.] I find it curious that the totals and percentages shown above don't add up. It seems obvious to me that there must've been another choice that has since been deleted. (And who knows, maybe the two that are left have also been modified.) In my opinion, if a poll description has been changed after votes have been talled, the staff should delete it from the discussion boards, since there's no way of knowing whether the results been "tampered" with. quote:If you don,t like my views they must be truth!!! Ummm...I'm sorry, but I just don't get the logic in that. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!"
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