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^unkle fester. I couldn't agree more! Most times I don't take or leave anything but when I do, I ALWAYS leave something of equal or better value. Most times, I leave things for children. The stash isn't as important to me as the cache so, swag isn't my focus. so I leave things that the kids would like to find with the parents. I have also left things for the adults in the group (no, not adult "things") but stuff like batteries in a frequently visited cache or a rain poncho... stuff that might come in handy when caching. If indeed we all left better things than we have removed (avoiding took again) then shouldn't most of the caches we visit be full of magnificent things? I like to think that as a group, us cachers are pretty good and honest people that would never steal good stuff and leave crap but... hmmm... Anyway... just curious about others thoughts on why caches aren't filled with amazing stuff? Bruce. Highlighted portion<> Geocachers are people and as such each sets his/her own rules, limitations and sensibilities. It is true that on a whole geocachers are good, honest people but, one cannot assume that they are really any different than the rest of humanity that occupy this Good Earth! Before I ramble further -- I will simply remind you that cache degradation is inevitable. Hence you do not win the Ferrari. Dammit! This was my only chance to ever own a Ferrari! Not even an Enzo?

I, and I think most of us understand that when we take something from a cache, we should leave something better than we have taken (almost typed "took"). This is what got me to thinking about this ^unkle fester. I couldn't agree more! Most times I don't take or leave anything but when I do, I ALWAYS leave something of equal or better value. Most times, I leave things for children. The stash isn't as important to me as the cache so, swag isn't my focus. so I leave things that the kids would like to find with the parents. I have also left things for the adults in the group (no, not adult "things") but stuff like batteries in a frequently visited cache or a rain poncho... stuff that might come in handy when caching. If indeed we all left better things than we have removed (avoiding took again) then shouldn't most of the caches we visit be full of magnificent things? I like to think that as a group, us cachers are pretty good and honest people that would never steal good stuff and leave crap but... hmmm... Anyway... just curious about others thoughts on why caches aren't filled with amazing stuff? Bruce.

My dream cache... however.. my wife does not agree... did she look like Faith Hill?

What is this 'clayjar' rating? I'm putting together a challenging hike multi, and want to know how to rate appropriately.. .. or just take a stab at it, and let the reviewer correct it? ..a The Clayjar system is linked to on the cache submission page. You answer a series of questions and it spits out a suggested rating. It is been my experience that for terrain it is usually .5 - 1 star too high when you compare the results of using the automated program with the actual definitions for terrain ratings. I tried that for one of my hides that required special tools but was flat enough for a bike, it rates it a 5/5 I ended up rating it a 5/1. My issue with this topic is that I have extreme arthritis and my ankles and knees just don't bend like they should. I have never had problems with a 1.5 except when one included climbing up and down about 150 steps. I can climb steps and walk up hill pretty well.... but going down is the killer. It isn't all about being in a wheel chair or pushing a stroller. I don't think everything should be adjusted to fit my disability but, It should be an honest rating. Trust me, I would love to just go hiking like I used to and not understand how fit looking people would complain. Most times I do it anyway... it might hurt or be hard but meh... not gonna let it stop me at the age of 39. Bruce.

Sounds about the same way the wife and I do it. Our old blue legend isnt all that high tech. I am looking to buy something a little new though (but keep the legend also) Bruce.

I agree with most of what you said but the issues I commented on.

I mean really, It isn't about common sense and who has it or doesn't. I could hide a catch in a field of grass and people could complain it stained the knees on their jeans... Use YOUR head and teach YOUR CHILDREN. I am not here to make the world safe for you and your offspring. If you must take apart lamp posts and various other electrical things in YOUR pursuit of a cache, then YOU and YOUR children are not meant to be. You could perhaps use some brain power and decide for yourself that "hey... that might be the cache but it looks dangerous so I wont use a saw to open it and I wont allow my brood to also" I see plenty of "DNF" reports... why not decide to do that instead of trying to dumb down the caching world? No one is forcing anyone to to find stuff... Good grief....

Sorry for your loss. I was just wondering if anyone has put in dog toys when creating a cache? I was going to put in a rawhide bone but then thought.. hmm.. that might attract unwanted animals. Perhaps a rubber chew toy or something? Being a dog fan and knowing that many chache with dogs.. I just thought it might be nice to have something in there for the pooches. Bruce.