[Underwater cache not published...help get it published]

Appeal is on the way. I have my fingers crossed but I'm not holding my breath.

 

For those of you that were wondering. I did visit the other cache the other day. Its a nice one. I have been in contact with the CO of that cache and we are on great terms with everything. He's no longer diving by the way and wrote a nice letter to the appeals guys for me in his email back.

 

This was my first cache and to tell you the truth I did not realize I was violating any distance rules until it was in place and was denied.

 

Was he willing to move his or her cache a little? or did you ask? If you are already on good terms with him or her then that would be the way to go.

 

It would avoid a lot of problems.

[I hurt myself today]

Mine was a joke too.

 

Then I should say sorry.

 

I won't but I should.

[I hurt myself today]

And I broke my collarbone two weeks ago while caching. Brand new bike decided to throw me. And, no, I'm not left-handed......

 

Still cached some this past week while on vacation in Vegas area, though.

 

My thumb aching pales in comparison to your collar bone break. But if you were left handed.. you wouldn't have fell off your bike.

 

Just sayin'

Fallen. I guess your pain meds are interfering with your superior intelligence. Best wishes for a speedy(and sucessful) recovery.

 

That was called a "joke" unfortunate that you missed it but I cannot explain it to everyone.

Would you like me to dumb it down for you?

[I hurt myself today]

And I broke my collarbone two weeks ago while caching. Brand new bike decided to throw me. And, no, I'm not left-handed......

 

Still cached some this past week while on vacation in Vegas area, though.

 

My thumb aching pales in comparison to your collar bone break. But if you were left handed.. you wouldn't have fell off your bike.

 

Just sayin'

[I hurt myself today]

PICS?!?

 

and on the aside, the Johnny Cash version sux compared to the NIN version. However, the Cash version of Rusty Cage is pretty good though.

 

Whoa whoa whoa there! even Trent Reznor has said the Cash version is better.

[I hurt myself today]

No, I am not Johnny Cash or NIN.

 

I slipped while going down a steep hill and reached to grab a tree to stop my slide. I grabbed the tree and my thumb became lodged in the vee of the tree and I kept moving.

I first dislocated my thumb joint and then broke the bone below the joint when I kept moving.

 

I continued on to find the cache.

 

Next time I will just let myself fall.

 

I need an Opposable thumb.

 

It's the only thing that separates me from primates.

 

(Of course it was on my dominant left hand (left handers being the more intelligent humans))

[Cache Post and New Cachers..........]

I only have two caches out there that I have placed. The first one that I placed, The FTF logged it online. I was kinda happy that someone had found it. Then the second person to find it (a well respected local cacher) logged it online and noted that it was odd that the log book was blank when he found it.

I emailed the FTF cacher and he replied that he didn't have time to sign my logbook as he was on a numbers run.

I deleted his log.

 

I see no difference between the two.

 

I am not trying to micromanage anything. I took the time to place a good cache. I took the time to stock it well. I took the time to hide it in a good place. I took the time to get good coordinates. I take the time to check on it often.

 

How is it being too hard on a newbie? (I hesitate to call him or her that because they have found as many caches as I) to expect the common courtesy to explain simply using a cut and paste log saying why they are logging them?

 

No one picked on the person. They rightfully deleted his or her logs.

 

I will stand by my previous post that if 50 people deleted his logs and/or emailed him then at least one person pointed out how he could have gone logging his finds better.

 

Don't forget that the young or old male or female responded to an email by calling the OP a "douchebag"

 

Hardly a friendly start.

[Cache Post and New Cachers..........]

I learned a LONG time ago that if you are going to punish someone then it's best if you explain why someone is being punished.

Deleting a cache log is a form of punishment in many circumstances. The way the explanation is made will make a huge difference in the future of the relationship.

 

Now, having said that.. If this cacher (logger) IS a younger person, this exchange might just encourage the little rascal to become a cache maggot rather than a responsible cacher.

 

The whole situation, if it's even true, is unfortunate. And not a single participant seems willing to admit that they may have made a mistake. That, by itself, is perhaps the most unfortunate part of this. What lessons are being learned here?

 

I had this thought also (that this may turn him into a cache maggot). But should we treat everyone with kid gloves just in case they may turn into a cache maggot?

[Cache Post and New Cachers..........]

Plus the whole thing wreaks (to me) of a kid who was trying to get in the game on his own but made a younger kids mistake of just lazily logging with a letter.

If that's the case, then it's a good life lesson.

 

He can learn from it or do like a lot of others and point the finger and make the same mistake again.

 

The point is there is no online log length requirement and there is the option of belated logging of caches found with a team as an individual.

The only guaranteed log is when your name is in the physical logbook.

 

If it's not, then it is in the logger's best interest to be clear about what they are doing. It's really that simple.

 

Yup. We, as a society, should smack down any kid who dares commit a social faux pas. Teach em with a brick, I always say...

 

***note: Sarcasm.

 

I would hardly call it smacking him or her who may or may not be a kid down with a brick.

[Cache Post and New Cachers..........]

If I got 50 emails from different players accusing me of logging bogus finds and also all the deletion notices that also came, I'd be the one complaining to GS. Sounds like group harrassment to me.

If I got 50+ log deletions, I'd figure I did something wrong and figure out how to fix it.

 

Ditto. To do anything else would mean I had a persecution complex.

[Cache Post and New Cachers..........]

Why is everyone assuming this is a 12 year old? or young kid?

I have no idea how old he/she is.

[Cache Post and New Cachers..........]

and keeps getting slapped in tha face by people who think they are better than him??

The finder is the one who stated he didn't have enough time to write more than just a "v". Had he found the time to write one cut and paste note to add to the logs, he could have avoided a lot of trouble.

 

This is not a one off CO who deleted what they suspected to be a bogus log.

 

By the finder's own admission, 50+ cache owners emailed him to find out what was up. That tells me that there was a failure to communicate. It is my opinion that the failure was on the finder's part.

 

Because 50+ cache owners emailed him to ask him to explain, he decided to quit.

 

I'm not sure how that translates into people thinking they are better than someone else.

Because there's NO WAY that 50+ Cachers decided to do that on their own, this was some sort of ganging up or rumormill that bombarded the player with loads of accusatory email. You can't possibly beleive that even half of those were actually polite? If I got 50 emails from different players accusing me of logging bogus finds and also all the deletion notices that also came, I'd be the one complaining to GS. Sounds like group harrassment to me.

 

Did you not read the OP at all? It said that the cache reviewer sent him an email saying that those logs from that cacher were bogus and he most likely sent it to other cache hiders whose caches he had logged online.

 

So, no. No group harassment at all.

 

As has been said numerous times already, this could have been easily avoidable if he would have explained in his online logs using a simple cut and paste instead of "v".

 

I am sure that at least one of those 50 people that "harassed" him / her let them know this.

[Underwater cache not published...help get it published]

I decided not to ask the owner of the other cache to move theirs. I did however send them a message asking if they thought the other cache would be found by accident when look for either one. I informed them that I was looking for their feed back on the subject for support with my appeal when I submit it.

 

I agree with everyone that stated it's rude to ask someone to move a cache just because mine is harder to move than theirs.

 

BTW - I'm not bitter or mad. Just a little disappointed with how long this is taking. It's a fun cache and a neat wreck for diver / snorkelers to explore.

 

FYI - I just placed another one in 100 feet of water tonight on another wreck off Algoma, WI. I sure as heck hope that one will not have this same proximity issue. Ha, Ha.

 

Good luck!

[Underwater cache not published...help get it published]

I guess I'm going to take a different view. The cache you want to place is well within the 528 foot limit, so why did you think it was going to get approved? So it is covered with a bit of water, not exactly a major barrier. The other cache has been established for sometime and since you did not say it is a final on a multi or mystery cache I assume you could have easily determined the proximity. I think asking the other cache owner to move his to accommodate yours is rude. And the saturation rules don't say anything about the 0.1 mile distance to prevent confusion between caches, it is 0.1 miles because that is what the frog says. So the argument that one is on land and one is in the water does not, ah, er, hold water.

 

Different reviewers? the crow does not fly under water.

[Underwater cache not published...help get it published]

I will offer some unsolicited advice. First off, I am with you. I think your cache has enough "distance" from the other to make it OK.

Second. I think asking the person with the cache in close proximity to yours is in bad taste. He may not or may even move it for you.

Third. Appeal. If it doesn't go your way don't get bitter or angry about it. I know it's frustrating when you have an excellent place for a cache and someone has one too near that is not so great as yours.

 

My first three caches were denied due to proximity issues. I was very angry about that but got over it.

 

I now take my frustrations out on people on the forum. This is how I get even.

[SWAG]

brand new double A batterys are always nice to find

 

I've heard both that people like new batteries and hate new batteries. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

 

I have no problem with them and if I needed them i would swap for them.

[No logbook signed]

I recently hid my first cache. The first person to log it online did not sign the log book. I didn't know this until a well respected local cacher said in his online log how it was odd that the log book was blank when he found it a day later. I emailed the first cacher and his response was "I was on a numbers run and didn't have time to sign it".

I deleted his log.

I have seen a few more times since then that the same cacher has posted "on a numbers run, no time to sign log".

I debated with my self at first about deleting his log but not after reading more of his online logs.

 

For the most part I would let it slide... unless it was as obvious as in my experience.

 

My only worry would be that the person you delete may try to get revenge somehow.

[Gurnee Illinois area geocachers:I have a cache for you]

I very much appreciate that Officer. Olds #124 Gurnee Police Department saved the cache, and took the time and trouble to create an account, post this thread, and make every effort to return the cache to its rightful owner. Please do not get me wrong about that. Very few LEOs involved in a situation like this would have gone through all that trouble.

 

Where I still have a problem is with this statement:

 

YES, as long as your game doesn't interrupt my dinner it will be fine. I dadgum sure have much better things to do than listen to office tenants tell me a ten minute story about drug dealing in their parking lot, picking up a game box that is placed stupidly, write an incident report about the whole mess, spend time on the phone to customer service, cart it around for a month, then join a forum that I have absolutely NO interest in, listen to someone bark about legality on a forum I have NO interest in being on, then come in off the road to give it to someone.

The issue in that statement has nothing to do with a geocache. It has everything to do with office tenants that are afraid of something that they don't understand. There was no bomb. There was no drug dealing. There was nothing covert going on here. There was nothing but some adults having fun. This is a ten year-old activity, not something that just popped up last night. It should not be a surprise to any law enforcement agency after that much time. That any law enforcement agency doesn't know about an activity that has been going on in their jurisdiction for ten years should be a shocking revelation to the taxpayers and a terrible embarrassment to the police force that just now learned about it. Let me repeat: TEN YEARS. But most of all, if you find yourself having to "write an incident report about the whole mess, spend time on the phone to customer service, cart it around for a month, then join a forum that I have absolutely NO interest in, listen to someone bark about legality on a forum I have NO interest in being on", then please be p'd off at the idiot that called it in as suspicious activity in the first place.

 

While I agree with what you are saying. Maybe you just shouldn't have said it. The officer went out of his way to return the cache.

I highly doubt he will do that again.

Sometimes it's better to just bite your tongue for the greater good of all concerned. (not that I am good at that myself)

[Who would you rather go geocaching with....]

Ginger

Mary Ann

 

I'm not gay (not that there's anything wrong with that) but I would pick the professor.

He could make a GPS out of a coconut if he wanted to.

 

I mean really.. he was MacGuyver before there was a MacGuyver!

[Caches containing Ammo]

Have you ever had a problem caused by ammo in a cache? I mean, a real problem, like an explosion. Being overcome with hysterical fear at the mere sight of ammunition doesn't count.

I have never found ammo in a cache, so no problem from me. But, more than the risk of explosion, what about police. What happens when you are CITOing that bullet, and get stoped by a cop? Could make your "I'm just geocaching" story a little harder to explain.

I don't think that just carrying a bullet is illegal in most (perhaps all?)of the US.

It is not illegal In Canada either. Unless you are a convicted felon (same as in the US).

Despite what some Americans think... Canada is not a group of hippy gun hating people.

 

BTW MCM... you have gone off on a tangent. Although no more than others here.

 

I would really like to know what this " I don't think that just carrying a bullet is illegal in most (perhaps all?)of the US." has to do with geocaching or the thread at hand?

Because the question was asked (as bolded above) What happens when you are CITOing that bullet, and get stoped by a cop?

 

This is totally a "geocaching related" question and completely has to to with the thread at hand.

 

Actually that justifies His post. Not your answering it with an off topic reply.

 

Your reply had nothing whatsoever to do with geocaching.

[Who would you rather go geocaching with....]

Kate Beckinsale with a pack of AA's in her skin tight leather pants pocket.

[Caches containing Ammo]

Have you ever had a problem caused by ammo in a cache? I mean, a real problem, like an explosion. Being overcome with hysterical fear at the mere sight of ammunition doesn't count.

I have never found ammo in a cache, so no problem from me. But, more than the risk of explosion, what about police. What happens when you are CITOing that bullet, and get stoped by a cop? Could make your "I'm just geocaching" story a little harder to explain.

 

I don't think that just carrying a bullet is illegal in most (perhaps all?)of the US.

 

It is not illegal In Canada either. Unless you are a convicted felon (same as in the US).

Despite what some Americans think... Canada is not a group of hippy gun hating people.

 

BTW MCM... you have gone off on a tangent. Although no more than others here.

 

I would really like to know what this " I don't think that just carrying a bullet is illegal in most (perhaps all?)of the US." has to do with geocaching or the thread at hand?

[Banned Cachers]

I was once banned permanently from a forum.

Did I deserve it? Yup...

Say no more....

[Finally visited it!]

Bittsen is like the mist... she blows in and blows out and no one sees when she entered or left.

You just know she wasn't there and then was... or she was there and then isn't.

[Caches placed without permission]

If you fight for it you may get the offending caches removed. Or at least archived. However, I doubt you will make any friends. You can be a great guy and say "Hey, I got permission for your cache." or you can be a jerk and say "Move your cache 'cause I gots permission and you don't!" Up to you.

The reply is all that really needs to be said. Any issues of permission, proximity, etc. are moot. Your reputation in your local caching community needs to be considered above all else.

I agree with this strongly. I may not attend my local fellow caching peoples meet and greets but someday I might. I would hate to be ostracized by my local cachers.

 

I would also hate to pee people off and have them avoid or even misplace my caches.

 

(I do not avoid local meet and greets because I do not like the people. I am anti-social.)

 

I don't hate people, I just feel better when they aren't around.