Team Cotati

Example1 39.110123N 94.404007W Example 2 39.063400N 94.423158W If you want to convert them to the format Groundspeak uses just multiply the decimal part of the coordinate by 60 and round the answer off to three decimal places. Example 1 39 6.60738 rounded off to 39 6.607 94 24.24042 rounded off to 94 24.240 Or if you don't want to do it yourself there are seve ral online sites or freeware downloads that will do it for you. http://www.geocaching.com/wpt/

A log entry for each member of the group would be appropriate.

The wow factor was an attempt to limit the number of virtuals. The issue was that before the Wow guideline, it was just too easy to hide virtual caches. All it took was for the hider to claim that the location was not suitable for a physical cache: too many muggles, unable to obtain permission for a physical cache, tried hiding physical cache but it keep going missing, etc. People seem to take the path of least resistance. Hiding a virtual was easier than hiding a physical, just as hiding a micro in a lamppost or guardrail is easier than hiding an ammo can (or even creating a camouflaged micro that can be hidden in plain sight). The "Wow" guideline was suggested as a way to make virtuals a little harder to hide and to promote physical caches as the primary type of cache for Geocaching. Now it may be that microSpew will lead eventually to guidelines to make it harder to hide caches in lamppost and guardrails. A reviewer once told me that he would like to be able to ask for explicit permission for caches that appear to be in parking lots. But I think TPTB learnt from virtual caches that double standards are indeed hard to justify. Reviewers do not like them and they end up taking the heat when they approve one cache and have to reject a similar cache for not meeting the guidelines. The biggest problem with virtual caches was actually exacerbated by the "Wow" requirement. It was that people were not using the virtual cache as a substitute for a physical cache in a location where a physical cache could not be placed. It was being used instead to share locations that someone felt was interesting or wow. Sure some people would place a cache at such a location to attract people. But many people had no interest in placing a physical cache they would have to maintain. Instead they placed virtuals even in locations that could support a physical cache or that could be waypoints in a multi-cache. TPTB developed Waymarking as a solution to sharing the GPS coordinates for interesting locations. Now if you have an interesting place you want to share with others you can: place a physical cache there, use the location as a waypoint in a multi, or list it as a waymark. And yet after all of that, the experiment has failed.

I've got to side with Castle Mischief on this one, Snoogans. "wittle feewings"? I don't want the place to be "antiseptic" either, but that's a bit over the top, I think. Ummm, I don't take myself or ANY forum interaction too seriously. Balance is what I strive for as stated earlier in this thread. Assign whatever meaning you like to my words and believe that with all your heart. This hair has now been quartered. Anyone want to try for eighths? Sorry, but all the little popcorn eating Signals in the world won't keep "your wittle feewings hurt" from sounding terribly snarky, Snoogy. I can do a whole bunch of little popcorn eating Signals, too, but that won't change the apparent attitude. I was very surprised when I saw you say that. You're better than that. If I interpreted your meaning wrong, I'm sorry, but I doubt that I'm the only one that did so. Knowschad? Who exactly are you trying to convince? Me or the unseen masses that you perceive to be behind you? I'm not better than anyone else here and I don't feel the need to justify or make an apology for my remark. If that's your goal you've picked a futile one. I said what I said. Assign the meaning you want to it. Feel free to enjoy the warmth that others agree with you and disagree with me or be entertained that I'm still responding to you. It's all good and none of this will mean anything to me if we meet on the street. Look behind you and above your monitor.... That's real life. This is just passing time. The minute I start to take it seriously and let it affect me, I'll cry off, and I won't need to make an announcement about it. I'll just be gone. Care to turn those eighths into sixteenths. I promise I'll give you the last word. Honest. Outstanding. Snoogans for President.

What happened to the associated GC#'s? Sheesh.

Drop it in a geocache container of suitable size.

Just kidding..... We all should try to be responsable, but lets not blow little things out of proportion. I always joke to greenies that throughing paper in the garbage is a great from of carbon sequestering. In a land fill, that paper will never bio-degrade (well, maybe 100 years or so). Yeah, don't forget though, you could be much more helpful if you encouraged everone to throw paper products in the recycle can. Little things matter.

N. Cali is sweetly populated.

I recommend a more effective limit: 103 miles apart.

I'm more of a balance guy. I stand behind my posting record as being more positive than negative, but if I have to say something hard, I'll say it. Some times ya gotta keep it real. I was once paid a great compliment @ GW3 as I stood in a large circle of mostly mods/reviewers (although I didn't know that at the time) when a cacher of high esteem told me that I was the one frequent poster that he hadn't wanted to strangle....yet. I took that to mean that my balance was working for me and it has always been in the back of my mind since when I post. You're the absolute best, no doubt about that.

There are four know-it-alls here. Not three. Not three or four. Four. Got it? I'd settle for one. Got it?

Fortunately The Team has not incurred any injuries worthy of special recognition.(knock on wood)

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Is this an opinion or a fact based upon an observable, though short, track record?: "it will get attention faster than in the forums"

A very similar thing happened to me. I was at a picnic watching a 3 legged race and a guy tapped me on my shoulder and asked "Are you the geocacher, BrianSnat?". When I answered in the affirmative, he said "I ought to punch your dumb nose down your even dumber throat you dirt bag!". I squirted mustard in his eyes, then ran and hid in the bushes until he left. Do you know what kind of bushes those were?

A very similar thing happened to me. I was at a picnic watching a 3 legged race and a guy tapped me on my shoulder and asked "Are you the geocacher, BrianSnat?". When I answered in the affirmative, he said "I ought to punch your dumb nose down your even dumber throat you dirt bag!". I squirted mustard in his eyes, then ran and hid in the bushes until he left. Do you know what kind of bushes those were?

Of those two links, which one would you say was more perfect?

No, I can't say that I have.

You can of course do as you choose. Something happens to someone while searching for a geocache that you place in that undeveloped park and they decide for whatever reasons to sue the city, you are going to be in deep yogurt.

Since they are all vactioneers the cache would not be allowed under the guidelines unless you guaranteed to the reviewer that you would maintian in. WOW!! Did I ever misunderstand this. I thought that it was the searchers who were vacationers, visiting the area, not the owner(s). Nevermind.

You're learning! Anytime you don't like something about a cache and want it archived play the permission card - you will almost always be correct! It's the ultimate way to get your way The irony.

Possibly. If I were going to try this though, I combine local history, sites, foods and culture with the geocaching aspects.

Of the caches that I have hidden, my version of 'averaging' has worked out quite well. Perhaps if I had hidden more caches, I would feel differently, hard to say. On only one occasion during my original hides did I get accuracy complaints and that was due to mis-typing the coordinates. I do suppose that the averaging technique could be irrelevant, I however will continue using it. And right or wrong, it is moderately comforting to know that many fellow cache hiders use the same technique.

How about battery life?

Yes.