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    What do you think of the new system?

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    Posted · Edited by Cav Scout

    Wow! Imagine that. Not bad compared to the old system taking up to 6 weeks.

     

    Hopefully the new EC I submitted on Jan 27th will be activated soon.

     

    I submitted mine Saturday night and it was approved Sunday morning. It went quite smoothly. I didn't see all the text noting the added requirements though.

    Earthcache reviewers

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    Posted

    In the closet? :)

     

    EarthCache reviewers will exhibit the same characteristics are regular volunteer geocache reviewers with regard to access to their personal information.

     

    Looks to me like most are in the closet and you won't see much personal information.

     

    Deane

    AKA: DeRock & the Psychic Cacher - Grattan MI

    Premium Members EarthCache

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    Posted

    Its an option to premium members, so why not.

     

    A friend pointed out to me an EarthCache that is listed as a premium members cache listing. Should this be allowed, or should EarthCaches be available to everyone. I would say that given their educational value, they should be available to all.

    Requiring photos to log an Earthcache

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    Posted · Edited by Cav Scout

    Can this be quantified in the current guidelines?

     

    If educational questions are sufficient and everything is otherwise OK, can you require a photo if it is not specific as to faces, etc., but is site specific and certainly related to the text? When I say require I mean that the log can be deleted if said photo is not posted!

     

    You are correct. That is exactly what the guidelines mean.

     

    If you are not asking for specific non-site related content you can ask for a photo.

     

    If you ask for something in the photo that is not related to the educational logging task or the site, the photo must be optional and you can't delete a log based on the lack of photo alone.

    Requiring photos to log an Earthcache

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    Posted

    Are they updated to reflect whats been mentioned in this thread? I dont see any changes.

     

    I'm not sure where the new requrements are listed, other than in these forums, but they are not on the Groundspeak requirements page.

     

    The listing requirements are on the EarthCache website, here.

     

    Hope this helps!

    What do you think of the new system?

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    Posted

    I see geocachers the same as the "Day after Thanksgiving" shopper; weather never stops them from getting out of the house :mellow: .

     

    Since the new system has started, there has been a little over 40 new EC listings approved in the entire USA. I expected more new listings than that.

    We are looking at mid-winter. It is possible that people aren't getting out as much and snow is covering the exposures. Me, I continue waiting for manager approval.

    Requiring photos to log an Earthcache

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    If this was the early 1990"s, I probably could agree with this statement :( .

     

    Hmmmmmmmmm,

    As a solo cacher I do have problems with placing myself in the photo. I appreciate also the difficulties of trying to get a photo shot of one's GPS'r into the shot if the primary Tupperware Finder Gizmo happens to be their picture taking gizmo as well. Yes there are affordable digital picture taking gizmos and now some Uber cheap models.

     

    As for me I stopped rowing upstream and bought a $ 100.00 digital picture taking gizmo ... the real problem now becomes trying to quickly and effectively transfer.

     

    ( Hey I am old and slow and not techno inclined - it is my feeling that many folks have resisted the photo requirement due to a lack of funds to throw at a digital camera, we would much rather save our bucks to get a newer and spiffier GPS'r. Then there are those, like me who are techno challenged. )

    Language issue

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    Why not write up and submit a earthcache and show the world what "right" looks like. You seem to be the subject matter expert. Show us how its done B) .

     

    I recently had a look at further new Earth caches from Germany. The result is very depressing.

     

    Please note that my intent is neither to criticize the work of geoawareDE (the reviewer in charge of the Earth cache submissions in Austria, Germany and Switzerland) nor to criticize the new submission system for Earth caches.

     

    I really would appreciate to receive a response by geoaware on that topic. If for whatever reason, he ignores to reply here, I will respect this decision as well and do hope that my comments will at least be read and maybe taken into account in some internal discussion process.

     

    I am aware of the fact that not everyone is able to write up an Earth cache description in English.

    Those who are not, need to ask for help.

     

    I like Earth caches, but I feel that not every single spot on earth where one might construct some geological background should be turned into an Earth cache.

     

    In previous times I had the feeling that the review process for Earth caches has been stricter than it appears to be at the moment. That's of course just a personal feeling. I might be wrong, and I am not complaining about any current reviewer, but just reporting how I perceive the current situation.

     

    Cezanne

    What do you think of the new system?

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    Posted

    Thanks for the note touchstone, you always come through when least expected :lol: .

     

    However, considering the number of active EarthCachers prior to the change I was expecting to see more ECs especially in my home state of Kentucky. I then took a look across the entire lower 48, Alaska, and Hawaii.

     

    Not much happening now it seems. I do know things where active before the new changes took place.

     

    Since the new system has started, there has been a little over 40 new EC listings approved in the entire USA. I expected more new listings than that.

     

    That is kind of suprising :lol:

     

    No doubt it takes a bit more effort to fashion a well thought out EC vs. an LPC, so maybe that has something to do with it.

    Requiring photos to log an Earthcache

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    Posted · Edited by Cav Scout

    I dont ever think I will have to worry about you finding any of my ECs. For one you will have to walk to many of the ECs I own and most of them require walking uphill :) . That means you cannot park your car next to the ECs I own.

     

    Control freak? Kinda strong words for not knowing who I am or what I'm wanting to do. My reason for posting a photo is proof of the visit and thats all. I have allowed logs without photos several times especially for folks like yourself who cannot afford a camera or cell phone. Judging by how many finds you have Im starting to think you dont even own a GPS.

     

    Now that you are annalizing the new rules, I can request a photo but I cannot ask for a face in the shot. Currently the old ECs, circa 2009 and before, are unaffected by the new rules.

     

    Can/will the rules change? Yes. Will I comply/concur? Yes. Until then I will support the current rules for the new ECs and old rules for my pre 2010 ECs. I own one new EC and it follows the new guidelines. :)

     

    Listing a EC is difficult at times and making the questions difficult will more than likely turn away visitors which in turn will drop the interest in ECs all together. Its happening now. I dont see that many new ECs being published with the new system.

     

    Someday someone will complain about an EC that requires the finder to hike a few miles and cry it's a bad idea. How dare the owner of the EC make the finder exercise... :huh::):anicute:

     

    Enjoy!

     

    Not even close. It has now been confirmed that he cannot REQUIRE me to take a photo at his cache, therefore if I find one I will NOT take a photo, unless he provides the camera, in which case why not?

    Since he has stated he will continue to require photos his caches now have an ALR attached to them and violate Groudspeak Guidelines, so any logs he deletes for lack of a photo must be reinstated and the ALR removed. His desire to be a control freak does not give him the right to be one.

    Requiring photos to log an Earthcache

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    Posted

    Here's a reminder for what geoaware wrote. You can request a photo but not of the finders face.

     

    Just so everyone is very clear on this issue. The guideline reads :

     

    Logging of an EarthCache must involve visitors undertaking some educational task that relates to the Earth science at the site. This could involve measuring or estimating the size of some feature or aspect of the site, collecting and recording data (such as time of a tidal bore), or sending an e-mail to the cache owner with the answer to Earth science related questions they obtained by reading an information display. While photographs may be requested, they do not take the place of other logging requirements. Taking a photograph alone or asking people to do internet research does NOT meet these logging guidelines. Requests for specific content in the photograph (must include the visitor's face, for example) will be considered an additional logging requirement and must be optional. Cache owners may not delete the cache seeker's log based solely on optional tasks.

     

    So you MAY request a photograph but it can't take the place of a good on-site logging task. If your logging tasks are poor, we will ask you to strengthen them before your EC is published.

     

    If you want specific content in the photograph then the photograph has to be optional. We will insist that you make these optional before we publish.

     

    So please feel free to ask people to submit photographs once you have developed great logging tasks that people can only do on-site!

    Requiring photos to log an Earthcache

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    Posted

    The whole point of the statement was that an signature is required for physical caches. Since you cannot sign a log at a EC, the picture is same as a signature.

     

    A picture ofthe finder is not a ALR. Wearing clown shoes, buying a testing kit, writting a poem, and standing on your head is a ALR.

     

    Anyway I'm done defending pictures at ECs.

     

    Groundspeak has final say so. Until then I will still require pictures of the finders at my old ECs and a picture at my new ECs.

     

    If they say remove it, then so be it.

     

    Regards.

     

    CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY I HAVE TO SIGN THE LOG FOR A TRADITIONAL CACHE? HECK IF I FOUND IT, HELD IT, OPENED IT, THEN WHY DO I HAVE TO SIGN IT?

     

    What an ironic statement coming from someone concerned with the logging of extremely difficult 5/5* caches :)

     

    I'm assuming I missed the :huh: in there somewhere.

     

    But to answer your question, because the Guidelines say so :laughing:

     

    Of course, it's a free country.... :shocked:

     

    If an Earthcache is so weak that it necessitates a face picture to prove the finder was there, it needs to be retooled.

     

    I think they're right.

     

    My 0.02

    Requiring photos to log an Earthcache

    in EarthCaches

    Posted

    You are wrong...

     

    CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY I HAVE TO SIGN THE LOG FOR A TRADITIONAL CACHE? HECK IF I FOUND IT, HELD IT, OPENED IT, THEN WHY DO I HAVE TO SIGN IT?

     

    You miss the point entirely. Forcing people to take a picture with their faces in it is just plain silly and an ALR to boot. Not only that, it can be a pain in the butt if you're caching alone to get a good face picture.

     

    If an Earthcache is so weak that it necessitates a face picture to prove the finder was there, it needs to be retooled.

    CHANGES TO SUBMITTAL PROCESS

    in EarthCaches

    Posted

    Once you develope a EC that gets many visits you will understand what EC owners go through.

     

    I've probably had about 30 to 40 armchair finds. Keep in mind I own close to 200 ECs and have them from Alaska to DC. I am bound to get a few bogus finds once in a while.

     

    I am not surprised about bogus finds (I also get some from time to time for my virtual cache), but do they really come along with correct and complete answers to your questions? If so, it'd rather guess that the answers to your questions can be found with google and that a visit of the location is not necessary.

    For two potential Earth caches locations, I refrained from setting up an Earth cache there just because I could not find any reasonable questions (for example, for some geology trails the texts of all signage boards can be

    found on the internet - that's a no go then for me).

     

    Cezanne

    Requiring photos to log an Earthcache

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    Posted

    Thank you!!!!!!!!!! You have answered my question :P:):)

     

    Good golly people now I am really mixed up. The Groundspeak person said "Photographs will remain an option when logging EarthCaches" and some of the cahers said they needed to remove a requirement for a pictur before there new earthcache would get published. The new guideline sorta reads that photos can only be "optional' and not required

    Now, it is ok to require a picture if you also have good tuff questions that come first?

    This thing is hard to follow.

    Is this right or allowed?

    1. required: good quesations that could only be answered at the earthcache

    2. required: (if you want to) a photo taken by the person at the cache place.

    A simple yes to both 1 and 2 will help this simple mind geta handle on this.

     

    1. YES!!!!

    2. Yes - but if you request any specific content (like a persons face), then the photo can only be optional!

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