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  1. I understand what most people are saying. The point I would like to make is that geocaching is a GAME, where ultimately the rules are dictated by how you want to play the game.

     

    Well, yes, geocaching is a game.

     

    Groundspeak's geocaching.com listing service is, however, a business.

     

    The listing guidelines explain their rules for listing a cache on their site.

     

    Play the game your way, but you'll list the caches online their way or elsewhere!

     

    Some have quoted Groundseak's response only in part and quibbled with sentences removed from the whole:

    Since the information can be gathered without the website we would prefer that you not use that site. The point of Geocaching is to get you outside not show you cool sites on the internet. The site you mention does sell ads and has a business locater. This make it a commercial site and not allowable. Even without the ads its not the what geocaching is all about. Let the people find the locations in real life. There is a big difference than seeing them on the web.

     

    So yes, the did express an opinion, but they also expressed a clear violation of the guidelines. They didn't refuse to list it because they want cachers outdoors, they refused to list it because it violates their published guidelines.

     

    BTW, even if they HAD declined it on a whim... he who has the gold makes the rules!

     

    I have already used Google Earth and EveryScape to check out cache locations. I have even used Google Earth to look for possible urban hiding locations. No one at Groundspeak can stop me from doing so. However, their guidelines prohibit commercial sites which EveryScape.com is clearly a commercial site. As TAR points out Groundspeak is a business and therefore, make the rules for using their site. I would fully expect that some people would use Google Earth or EveryScape to solve your puzzle even if you did not suggest it. Some people would go to every location in person. People will do both.

     

    If you want to get the word out about the cool tool post a thread where you discuss it. (Oh wait, you already have.) Then on you cache page just say there are many cool tools on the web that could make finding this cache easier, check out the forums for some suggestions. And we are off to the races.

     

    Loch Cache

     

    PS. You can always vote with your feet and check out other sites. I have in the past but always come back to this one.

  2. Afraid this topic has already been done to death.

     

    You can actually setup notifications for when caches get archived, in the same way as when they get published.

     

    http://www.geocaching.com/notify/edit.aspx

     

    edit:

    There are a few valid reasons to be able to lookup where archived caches once were.

    On more than one occasion I've looked up archived caches close to where I planned to cache that day, and visited and cleared up the geolitter.

     

    Jaz666 hit on the head! I looked high and I looked low, but I guess I didn't check the edit.aspx page. This will give me EXACTLY what I am looking for.

     

    Thank you so much!! I greatly appreciate all of your feedback. Thanks everyone!

    Still it would be nice to have a PQ based on caches that have been archived for quick updates, even if it were like the “I found” PQ where it was limited to once a week.

     

    Also having the ability to search an area for archived caches would allow a newer cacher to learn from past mistakes. Seeing a cache was placed in a particular park but kept getting muggled would let that cacher know either make a better hide or don't hide it there.

     

    Loch Cache

  3. Give me 500 and I will ask for 1000; give me 1000 and I will ask for 2000.

     

    The one argument I see in the forums all the time is akin to "I would never use it/do it, so no one else would ever use it/do it so why bother?" Does not hold water with me. I don't eat meat so why should any restaurants serve meat? Because I am not the only one out there.

     

    If you want to argue why PQs should not be increased 1000 give a reason that makes a difference.

     

    Loch Cache

  4. From another thread/board:

     

    it would be nice if GC would allow "all caches in a state" PQ's.

     

    Every now and again the question of how to get a file for all caches in a state comes up. There are a variety of approaches, from using overlapping geographic areas to building a series of PQs based on placed date. None of these are particularly hard to do, but they are mildly annoying to set up.

     

    I got to wondering if it might be worthwhile for GC.com to offer complete state GPX file downloads for a small fee. It would be some easy revenue for GC, and would likely reduce PQ server load since it could be run once daily for each state/province/etc instead of running multiple PQs by multiple people at arbitrary times.

     

    The question is, would the benefit outweigh the cost, for both GC and potential users. I know I'd happily drop a buck or three to be able to just grab the current data (up to date within a day or so) instantly when I want it. Or if I know I'm going to be taking a multi-state road trip and I don't have a specific route in mind, being able to quickly grab the files for any states I'm likely to spend time in would be nice, and certainly worth a few bucks each.

     

    People who didn't want to buy these files could of course continue to use the existing PQ approaches. This would be strictly a pay for convenience sort of thing.

     

    Comments? Improvements? Flames?

     

    I think the OP makes a good point when they said, "People who didn't want to buy these files could of course continue to use the existing PQ approaches." I for one would find it easier to order a whole state PQ even if it was allowed only once per week. Perhaps on a set day and time each state could be compiled and sent to those who are signed up for them. Add a limit to say 10 states max per user and it would be more controlled.

     

    The replies as to why a user wouldn't use the feature are not really important. If TPTB worried about having features that some would not use then most, if not all, the features would not exist. TPTB need to look at the benefit to the feature verses the cost of development and maintenance. However, I would hate to see the features start to be released and charged ala cart.

     

    A slight variation (sorry if this is a highjack of the OP topic but it is related) how about a PQ that gives all the archived caches in an area. Many times I find the archiving of caches slip through and don't show in the PQs. I would not even need the whole PQ, just the GC# and say date of archive.

     

    Loch Cache

  5. It is the worst of etiquette to replace a cache container if you haven’t contacted the owner. I don’t know why you defaulted to that action, but it has, from experience, created HUGE headaches for future finders. I know you meant well, but it’s presumptuous of you to assume that you’ve searched all the possible hiding places. More often than not, the cache is there and you’ve just added a decoy.

     

    I have an issue with someone replacing a missing cache unless you have been asked to do so by the cache owner. There is a local cache that a well meaning cacher put out a "replacement" log for because the original was missing. Several cachers came along and found the replacement despite the fact the well hidden original was still there. As an owner I would delete the finds and inform them they need to find the actual cache if they want a find. The owner of the cache in question allowed the finds to stand, even the one who got the find by leaving the replacement.

     

    Loch Cache

  6. I don't recall ever posting here, but this is something that I've always wondered myself. My thinking is that my username is for me and only me. Sometimes some family goes with me or some coworkers go with me, but the common denominator to my finds is always "me"....

     

    For many "team" names it is really one cacher who brings friends or family along. I don't have a "team" name but do occasionally bring along others. The common denominator is the cacher who owns the account. In those cases the account owner has found every cache so it is not truly a team account.

     

    Two of the high-count caching IDs in my area are couples, and they do log caches that they found individually into the one account. A famous instance was when one was traveling and both logged caches into the account on the same day from states 3000 miles apart. Yes, it does help their count go up a bit faster than single cachers (or those who only log together), but doesn't bother any of us locals.

     

    I know of several "team" accounts that are most often husband & wife or 2 cachers that share a "significant other" tag. Most of them do the caches together but there a one or two who will cache separately. So if their count is 1000 there may be 750 done together, 150 by only one and 100 only by the other. It is usually clear that they are doing it. It is also clear that they can't always cache together due to travel or work schedules. To me this falls under a grey area of "play the game the way you are comfortable". Just don’t forget to mention you are a part of a team.

     

    Loch Cache

  7. Most of my caches have extra hints hidden in the HTML source.

     

     

    Cool.

     

    On any puzzle I look at the HTM code. You can also alter picture properties. Here is a link to my hardest puzzle that uses those tricks and more. Into the Mystic - Hard Puzzle or "Just Skip It"

     

    Here's a hint, don't go to the airport. The cache is not in the middle of the runway. :laughing:

     

    If you want to puzzle this one for a while, mouse over the picture and compare it to the text in the picture.

     

    Loch Cache

     

    PS. I would love it if someone from outside New England could solve it. :huh:

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    Don't know what "Airborne"s are. Can you post a picture?

     

    It's a cold remedy/prevention tablet. You drop it in water, like an Alka Seltzer. Below was the best pic I could quickly find that shows the container in question.

     

    airborne_cold_remedy.jpg

     

    Thanks for the picture. It looks as good as a mini M&M container. Should work.

     

    Wrigley's came out with a mint that is in a tic-tac like container but is oval shaped and relatively waterproof. (I googled it but did not find a picture.) It is my newest favorite micro container. Better than the metal Altoids containers and I actually like the mints.

     

    Loch Cache

  9. I just finished my current tube of Airborne and got to thinking about the container. Looks like a pretty tight seal with a silica gel packet built into the cover. I'm now wondering how they'd be as micros containers.

     

    I just thought of this now so have not even tested the idea. Just wondering if anybody else HAS.

     

    Don't know what "Airborne"s are. Can you post a picture?

  10. The question is in regards to the offer made to give everyone there a list of all the TBs so they can log them as "discovered." I don't understand why one would do this? Does this increase your found cache numbers (I hope not-this is not really a found cache)? I also feel the log is confusing to the TB owner. Logging that you basically "saw" a TB is not the same as having it in your actual possession and moving it along. Or am I totally missing the point (would not be the first time)?

     

    Take care,

    Outspoken1

     

    I don't care for the lists. Seems like you should at least touch the TB to discover it. There is a local cacher who deletes any logs for his TBs that were made at events other than the one who dropped it and the one who took it after the event. I only have a couple of TBs out there and have been thinking of implementing that policy.

     

    There is also a local cacher who grabs/discovers every TB they possibly can. At events they stand at the TB table writing down the number of any TB dropped on the table. Not my thing.

     

    Loch Cache

  11. The real moral of the story is that we should all use our heads when looking for a cache and not do damage to the area. This is true whether you are looking for a cache in the woods or in the asphalt jungle.

     

    If you can not hide a cache without damaging the area then you shouldn't hide a cache there. If you think the average cacher can't find the cache without damaging the area then don't hide it there.

     

    LPCs can also be more than lame micros.

    Here is one of mine that has gotten good comments:

    Regular sized skirt lifter

     

    The post in the middle has a skirt and you can fit a regular sized cache underneath:

    71cb8521-74d0-450a-9658-41929099dde2.jpg

     

    So, if you make a blanket rule you lose some good ones.

     

    Loch Cache

  12. I was out caching for the day with a fellow cacher and we talked about local FTF hounds. (Of which I am one.) The day involved walking several miles. After we found the last cache of the day we had a mile walk back to the car. On the way my Blackberry went off and I read out loud a cache description of a new cache that was in the very forest preserve we where caching in at that time. The coords were close to the car and my buddy thought it would be a quick FTF run for us. :huh:

     

    When we approached the cache area we looked around in all the usually locations. After about five minutes my buddy found an uncamouflaged, bright orange micro in a hollow log. (I have a picture to prove it.) He opened the micro to read "GOT YOU! Loch Cache." :D

     

    The email notification was a fictitious one I sent to myself. The micro had been in my bag and the note I wrote on the trail. When we got to the cache location I slipped the micro into the log before he looked in it.

     

    Loch Cache

  13. Shocked and dismayed that cachers would log an event (or any cache) more than once. If it is the way they want to play would they log a traditional as a find every time they went back to it to drop a travel bug? Would they find a five-stage multi and log it 5 times ? I will never look at a cacher from Wisconsin again without wondering if their numbers are inflated.

     

    I don't know the definition of a Mega Event, but only 77 cachers attended the event in Wisconsin. To me it is more of a mega farce.

     

    Loch Cache

  14. By the way, does that "guy" have a name?

     

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    I don't know if anyone has ever referred to this character by name.

    Huh.

     

    How about "Loquacious?"

     

    It means one who speaks a lot. It looks like "location." It's cool-sounding. It's gender-neutral.

    We tried at least once. I've always thought it should be Mark Waypoint. Which admittedly is not gender-neutral.

     

     

    I created a fake tombstone for George Charles Aching.

    AKA Geo. C Aching

     

    Could also go for G. E. O'Caching.

     

    Maybe Gloria Ellen O'Caching

     

    My $.02 worth

    Loch Cache

  15. Just for the record, IMHO the whole topic of this thread is what lead to microspew, lampost lameness, geotrash hunting, and other ilk of this type. If you do not hide, you are not a 'real' member of the society. If you don't hide a lot, you are not a 'true' member.

     

    when you foist this line of thought upon the masses, expect them to respond, and they did, with trash.

     

    two years in, and I am approaching 400 finds. I have hidden 4 (2 which I adopted). Why so few? Small town, limited 'cool' spots, other caches saturate the area, and I'll be damned if I'll put out a cache just to fit your image of a 'true' cacher.

     

    I cache, therefore I am a cacher.

     

    I don't think the OP was thinking of placing "microspew" to keep a self-imposed ratio. Very few people like to admit they would place "microspew" and yet so many people will go and find it. How many 1/1 or 1.5/1.5 micros have you logged? Don't like them, don't log them. IMHO one should never place a cache just to keep up a ratio. Hides should be well thought out and stand the test of time.

     

    However, I do think that we all have a responsibility to give back by hiding our fair share. It does take time to place a good hide. More time for a good multi or mystery. But if everyone maintained a 100:1 ration there would not be enough caches to find.

     

    Excuses are useless. No place to hide, no time to hide or too saturated? Not a chance. Since November 2004 there have been over 1380 still active caches placed in Missouri, that is over two years time, and there only one per 30 square miles in Missouri. (In MA there is one every 2.5 square miles and still room for more.)

     

    I am a cacher, therefore I cache and I hide.

     

    Loch Cache

  16. I applaud anyone who places a good hide and curse anyone who places a crappy hide just for the sake of hiding one. I also think that someone who places no caches or less has than a 100:1 ratio of finds to hides is nothing more than a parasite who should give back to the sport that they take from. (Unless of course there are handicaps that prevent them from doing so.) At 100:1 there are very few cachers that would have to have more than 50 caches out there.

     

    OK, I am off the soapbox now. I like to hide caches and run at about 10:1 depending on my mood. I am a little behind right now at 485:44 but I have a few in the works and won’t rush one out just for a ratio. I like to place a variety of caches ranging from the beloved to the cursed. I have tried hard to keep all my caches running although some are harder to do than others. I have archived 2 and have 2 TU right now. I think when placing a cache you have to look at the maintenance aspect of it too.

     

    I think a lot of people place simple traditionals because they want to place hides that are easy to maintain and then want to find better caches. Like the guy who comes over to watch the game and brings a six pack of Bud but drinks your (insert name of favorite micro brew here) instead. Or the guy who complains about the park and grab micros invading his turf and still goes out and finds them.

     

    That’s my $.02

     

    Loch Cache

  17. Parking works great, also some choose to put the coordinates in a unreachable place like the middle of a lake or river. You can use Google Earth or something similar to get those fake coordinates. I think usually the reviewers like the false coordinates to be no more than 2 miles or so max from the actual cache, but it could vary. IE you post parking coords for a cache on a 5 mile walking trail.

     

    I tend to used rounded coords or cords that leave you in the middle of a parking lot 1-2 miles away. I often see parking coords for puzzles listed as offsets. I.E. "When you figure out the coords for this puzzle substract .034 from N and add .015 to W to get parking.

     

     

    Loch Cache

  18. Loch since you say the cache is permanently placed, I will be there within the next few days to sign the log book. No need to leave any items in there...I have no intention of "picking out a prize" or trading any TB's. All I want to do is sign the log book and get my hard earned smiley!!!!!! So please...all you need to do is have the log book out there for me.

     

    Sounds like an appointment is not necessary any longer...I dont know why I had to set up a time before. I really dont like caching in the dark or late at night. I do most of my caching during daylight hours so I can see what I'm doing. Last appointment was for 7:30 am...and I was there at 7:15 until 7:30 am and I couldnt find the cache anywhere. First I searched at the given coords then I searched on all sides of your garage. I even had to enter the secured fenced in yard to search around the whole garage. I really didnt like doing that at all. Felt like I was trespassing. But since you knew I was coming I sure did enter the yard...was trying to get it over and done with and be on my way. Was on my way to a geocaching event in NH and had no time to waste seeing as prizes were being given away for event caches if you were FTF and if I had waited any longer I would not have had the chance at FTF. (Yes, I got a FTF Woot!)

     

    As far as taking this to the forums instead of contacting you directly...I have done everything in my power to log this final. I felt as if contacting you for a third appt ...felt like I had to beg or something lol I wasnt gonna beg. Getting one smiley should not be this hard.

     

    I searched around your garage really well...theres not many things there...I even opened up the trash barrels and looked inside them! Oh well. I will be there soon.

     

    Good. I do not want anything to be a barrier to that smillie. Since I may or may not be home I will leave it outside the fence on the left so the dog won't bother you. Please feel free to take something anyway, no trading needed. There are coffee mugs, hats, stuffed singing doll and even a TB or two.

     

    Loch Cache

  19. I recently completed all cache requirements to log this Delorme Challenge cache:

     

    GCYJY1

     

    If you know about the Delorme challenge you know how much time, gas and energy it takes to complete a cache like this. I completed all cache requirements within 3 days and have had trouble logging the final for over a month now.

     

    My problems have been:

     

    You have to make arrangements with the owner to log the cache...you just cant go to the given coords. You have to set up an appointment lol

     

    I have made arrangements twice...first appointment fell through when I was not given the coords to the final...second try...owner did not show up at arranged time and cache was not placed at the coords that were provided to me.

     

    My question is:

     

    If you place a cache can you keep it in your house and only let people "find it" by having them email you to make an appointment...and at that point you place the cache outside at the given time. Then take it back in your house once the appointment time has passed?

     

    I believe this is what is happening here to me. Is that really allowed?

     

    If so I will probably place a cache at my front door but only place it out there when someone emails me letting me know they would like to come "find it". But I honestly thought that this was NOT allowed.

     

    As the owner of the cache I take offence to not being contacted directly, but having this placed in the forums instead. But since it is here I will respond here.

     

    I will just say that the cache is located next to my garage. Sometimes on the left, sometimes on the right, sometimes behind it, but always next to the garage when there is someone who has qualified to find it. (If everyone who has completed the challenged has found the final there is no need to keep it outside.) It is an oversized container (13 gallon tub) stocked with lots of stuff such as hats, CD holders, T-Shirts, etc, that you would not find in an average cache. I do not wish to leave it in the woods to get muggled. It is nice that others have set up a long hike at the end of their challenges, for this one I wanted to be an easy finish without using too much gas or time.

     

    The requirement to email me is to get the caches verified (which I state I will do in 72 hours) and not to set up an appointment. I need a few days to verify some of the finds. I trust that each cacher has personally found and physically signed the logbooks at all the caches they list. I go to at least two caches to check, but obviously can’t check them all. The only reason I would like to know when you are coming by to find the final is so I can meet and greet those who have completed the challenge. (Also to warn my wife someone might be lurking around the garage.) Twice you said you were coming by, once you did not and the other time I never saw you even though I was home. (The cache was sitting next to the garage.)

     

    As far as taking a month since completing the requirements you failed to mention going to Florida for several weeks and that you have not made an attempt to contact me or find the final since 12-9. Also, you forgot to mention that the first group of coords you sent had three errors in it which delayed verification. And finally, for the record, I am not sure where you get three days. The dates you submitted to me range from 10-5 to 11-26 and cover at least 10 different days.

     

    If you want to contact me, you know my email. If you want to log the final, stop by anytime, it is a big blue tub next to the garage.

     

    Loch Cache

     

    PS. Here is a link to the cache page. Click Here The guidelines are clear and similar to the other Delorme Challenges.

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