eagletrek

There's no problem with the other two!!!!! Both are effective "can openers!!!!"

Interesting cache but the straight lines of your saw cuts will make this one fairly easy to find. Once again, there aren't too many straight lines in nature. Yup it would stick right out like a sore thumb It sure would (or should I say wood???)!!!!!! Considering that the coordinates would get me within feet of the cache, the ability of the cache to blend in with its natural surroundings are still suspect. See most, if not all of those stumps are connected to the ground via a root system, something this cache is sorely missing. Just because something looks cool doesn't mean it will actually work in the wild. Now if I looked for the cache on a windy day and noticed that those leaves on top of it weren't blowing away, I'd also have to scratch my head. See I spent twenty years getting paid to be observant in order to protect folks like you. If you pay attention, you might learn something!!!!!

NO!!!!! And I don't believe that you're asking this question!!!!

Interesting cache but the straight lines of your saw cuts will make this one fairly easy to find. Once again, there aren't too many straight lines in nature.

Let's see: Gold Bullion is any form, large denomination bills (US), precious stones, large denomination bearer bonds, Rolex watches, etc., etc..........

The event is not wrong, it just seems fairly foolish!!!!! But to each his/her own!!! Studying human nature is my hobby and geocaching is my petridish!!!!!

Isn't it all about the approach??????

Never heard of cache rescue info but I do believe I've seen a "merit badge!!!"

Actually the new ACU pattern is the resurrection of the old Duo-Tex pattern that was used by the 2D ACR in the FRG during the early eighties. The pattern works well at a distance, but up close, the straight lines of the pixels are a dead giveaway that it's man-made. Therefore, I don't think it would work well for geocaching. Though this does resemble the ACU pattern, I believe this to be MARPAT which is used by the Marines which blends in much better IMHO. And yes, I have used this pattern to camo some containers and other items. It is very easy to use to breakup the outlines and give them shadows to help conceal things from the untrained eye. I use a stencil I cut from plastic stencil sheets. Here is the pattern I use: I just spray alternating colors until I get the effect I want. You can print this pattern on any printer in any size you need for the size container you are using. You can even cut the pattern out from paper to make a disposable stencil. Or use the cutout waste as you would natural stencils (reverse stencil). More stencils are available here with step by step on how I make my stencils: Leads to a KTAG forum v/r O-Mega Yeah, I believe you're right. It is MARPAT but except for the colors used, I really don't see too much difference between it and the Army's ACU pattern. That said, I still don't see how this pattern effectively breaks up the straight outlines of an ammo container without adding other "stuff" to the container. Kudos for your time and effort in making stencils for this pattern. I'm "old school" and default to either the three or four color pattern used by NATO years ago.

Let's see 'em... Feel free to find them as they're out there to be found!!!

My wife couldn't care less as she sees caching as a waste of time and money. She may be right!!!! Unlike alot of other folks, we don't need caching as an excuse to do things as a family.

Ahhhhhh!!!!!! Just gotta love those assumptions!!!!!!! I believe I've done 4 to 6 of these caches and only once did I go in to spend any money. In fact the only time I did, the family and I were going to dinner and I snagged a cache before going in; getting the cache was a secondary effort.Not an assumption. Increased traffic begats increased awareness begats increased visits by paying customers. Certainly not every visit, but it happens. Marketing 101. My family and I have relatives in West TN. Heck, Pooter2001 and I got married there. While there, we go geocaching every time. I had not idea there was a CB nearby to my inlaws house, until we did the OYR cache. Guess what? Next visit, 4 months later, someone says "Where ya wanna go out to eat?" My kids said "There's a CB nearby" so my Father in Law takes us out to eat at CB. Check was over $80. One story of what I am certain are dozens if not hundreds. If I follow your "logic," my home should be full of Wal-Mart stuff based on the LPCs I've found. I don't think so!!!!!!! Nice try but then again I'll cut you some slack as your thoughts have probably been distorted by the mega-doses of gravy you've consumed over the years while frequenting CB!!!!!Just because you haven't increased your shopping at Wal-Mart and eating at Cracker Barrel doesn't mean that other cachers haven't. If I need to buy something, I will certainly go into Wal-Mart after finding the LPC in the parking lot. I also am more likely to eat at Cracker Barrel given that they allowed a micro on their porch. I might not eat there at the time that I find the micro, but their graciousness plays into my restaurant decision. Logic below the Mason Dixon Line?!?!? Yeah I know I live in Texas but I'm a transplanted Yankee. I'm down here to ensure you guys don't get out of line anymore.

Come on, let's not do away with the law of Natural Selection!!!!!

So, basically your position is that you agree with everyone that you disagreed with just a few posts above. Interesting. No. I really don't care how many colors are used or what pattern is painted on it, if the actual shape of the can is not broken up by use of additions to the can or by placing it in a spot concealed from view, other then under a bush, then all the paint in the world doesn't really make a difference. I paint my cans to reduce sheen and create a shadow effect to enhance the camo effect provided by the primary hiding place like a hole, crevice, tree trunk, ICBM silo, etc.... The paint job is really providing a secondary effect.

There is nothing in nature that looks like a tank, but the military still paints them.Yeah they do but we also try to hide them in natural surroundings to breakup their shape. ...Exactly. Please see my post where I described the camo technique that I use. You'll note that it doesn't advise leaving the painted can out in the open.Okay, so it will look like a slickly painted ammo can hiding under the shadows of a bush. Why the hell am I responding to this????? I'm putting myself in the penalty box for engaging unarmed combatants!!!!! OBTW, I could give you a class on how to hide a tank!!!! Since you haven't shared your efforts, one has to believe that you are merely trolling. I believe me commenting on how to hide a tank would require an entirely new thread!!!! As far as how I camo my ammo cans, it all depends where they'll be hidden. I use a three color pattern, green, black, brown or gray, black/brown, tan. The colors are really used to cut the sheen and create a shadow effect. The real trick is to find the appropriate natural surroundings (hole, crevice, etc..) to hide it in so its boxy shape it not noticable to the seeker. I always have a good laugh when I find and ammo can hidden under a bunch of broken sticks and twigs!!!!!! But then again, most folks don't really understand how to use their natural surroundings to hide things.

I'm pretty pleased with my boxes' ability to blend. While I didn't discuss this issue in detail in this very old thread, I did discuss it in the thread that was current as of last week. I'm glad you are!!!! It still doesn't change the fact that there aren't too many places in nature where straight lines exist. Even so-called "well hidden" caches hidden in fallen tree limbs are fairly easy to find if you are observant and notice the straight "cut line" left by a saw blade. Paint on and cache on!!!!!!Good grief. What is your point? Should we not use ammo cans because they are squarish? Should we not bother camo painting them because no paint job will perfectly camo the can to hide it from close-up inspection? Here's my post from the much, much more current thread. While you will never absoluitely do away with the squareness and 'straight-line' of an ammo box merely using paint, you can break up the shape by 'layering' the camo and 'wrapping' the lines around the edges. Who said we shouldn't use ammo cans????? What I did say was that you don't find too many straight lines in nature. That said, no matter how sexy your paint job is, the box will be easily found by a trained eye if the straight edges of the can are not dealt with. Your "layering of the paint and wrapping technique" do little to break up the shape of the container. Adding foliage or other materials to the outside of the ammo can will actually breakup its shape, thereby eliminating those tell-tale straight lines and making it harder to spot. But then again, based on my observations of your numerous pasts posts on numerous subjects, you know everything so please disregard all above. Target ....... Cease Fire!!!!!!!!! I don't know everything, but I can recognize someone that insists on going to battle without ammunition. What I also don't know is why you tried to change the topic of a three year old thread.Once again you've failed to make the correct observation!!!! I go into battle fully armed!!!! I'm really fond of APFSDS-T with long rod penetrators!!!!!! Wasn't trying to change the topic, Bucko, but only commenting that painting is not the end-all-and-be-all when it comes to properly camoing something. You were certainly off topic. The topic was 'Please post your tips/techniques and past experiences with what worked and didn't work when painting plastics, rubber, metal, etc.' You chose to turn away from that topic to take some shots at the work of others. Perhaps you could share your camo techniques, rather than to just pop in to spout off. While I admit that I didn't spend my years with a paint can in my hand, you are wrong to believe that you are the only one who has served his country. You might pause long enough to realize that the forum has guidelines. If you need to, go run to daddy!!!!

There is nothing in nature that looks like a tank, but the military still paints them.Yeah they do but we also try to hide them in natural surroundings to breakup their shape. ...Exactly. Please see my post where I described the camo technique that I use. You'll note that it doesn't advise leaving the painted can out in the open. Okay, so it will look like a slickly painted ammo can hiding under the shadows of a bush. Why the hell am I responding to this????? I'm putting myself in the penalty box for engaging unarmed combatants!!!!! OBTW, I could give you a class on how to hide a tank!!!!

I'm pretty pleased with my boxes' ability to blend. While I didn't discuss this issue in detail in this very old thread, I did discuss it in the thread that was current as of last week. I'm glad you are!!!! It still doesn't change the fact that there aren't too many places in nature where straight lines exist. Even so-called "well hidden" caches hidden in fallen tree limbs are fairly easy to find if you are observant and notice the straight "cut line" left by a saw blade. Paint on and cache on!!!!!!Good grief. What is your point? Should we not use ammo cans because they are squarish? Should we not bother camo painting them because no paint job will perfectly camo the can to hide it from close-up inspection? Here's my post from the much, much more current thread. While you will never absoluitely do away with the squareness and 'straight-line' of an ammo box merely using paint, you can break up the shape by 'layering' the camo and 'wrapping' the lines around the edges. Who said we shouldn't use ammo cans????? What I did say was that you don't find too many straight lines in nature. That said, no matter how sexy your paint job is, the box will be easily found by a trained eye if the straight edges of the can are not dealt with. Your "layering of the paint and wrapping technique" do little to break up the shape of the container. Adding foliage or other materials to the outside of the ammo can will actually breakup its shape, thereby eliminating those tell-tale straight lines and making it harder to spot. But then again, based on my observations of your numerous pasts posts on numerous subjects, you know everything so please disregard all above. Target ....... Cease Fire!!!!!!!!! I don't know everything, but I can recognize someone that insists on going to battle without ammunition. What I also don't know is why you tried to change the topic of a three year old thread. Once again you've failed to make the correct observation!!!! I go into battle fully armed!!!! I'm really fond of APFSDS-T with long rod penetrators!!!!!! Wasn't trying to change the topic, Bucko, but only commenting that painting is not the end-all-and-be-all when it comes to properly camoing something. I'll fall back on my twenty plus years of experience in the military on how to properly camo things. Quit flapping your gums (fingers) and you might learn something!!!!!

There is nothing in nature that looks like a tank, but the military still paints them. Yeah they do but we also try to hide them in natural surroundings to breakup their shape. But nowadays it doesn't make too much difference if you're going up against a threat who uses thermal sights.

What do you think this is, Chicago? Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! See it really is all about the numbers!!!!!!!!!

I'm pretty pleased with my boxes' ability to blend. While I didn't discuss this issue in detail in this very old thread, I did discuss it in the thread that was current as of last week. I'm glad you are!!!! It still doesn't change the fact that there aren't too many places in nature where straight lines exist. Even so-called "well hidden" caches hidden in fallen tree limbs are fairly easy to find if you are observant and notice the straight "cut line" left by a saw blade. Paint on and cache on!!!!!!Good grief. What is your point? Should we not use ammo cans because they are squarish? Should we not bother camo painting them because no paint job will perfectly camo the can to hide it from close-up inspection? Here's my post from the much, much more current thread. While you will never absoluitely do away with the squareness and 'straight-line' of an ammo box merely using paint, you can break up the shape by 'layering' the camo and 'wrapping' the lines around the edges. Who said we shouldn't use ammo cans????? What I did say was that you don't find too many straight lines in nature. That said, no matter how sexy your paint job is, the box will be easily found by a trained eye if the straight edges of the can are not dealt with. Your "layering of the paint and wrapping technique" do little to break up the shape of the container. Adding foliage or other materials to the outside of the ammo can will actually breakup its shape, thereby eliminating those tell-tale straight lines and making it harder to spot. But then again, based on my observations of your numerous pasts posts on numerous subjects, you know everything so please disregard all above. Target ....... Cease Fire!!!!!!!!!

Ahhhhhh!!!!!! Just gotta love those assumptions!!!!!!! I believe I've done 4 to 6 of these caches and only once did I go in to spend any money. In fact the only time I did, the family and I were going to dinner and I snagged a cache before going in; getting the cache was a secondary effort. Not an assumption. Increased traffic begats increased awareness begats increased visits by paying customers. Certainly not every visit, but it happens. Marketing 101. My family and I have relatives in West TN. Heck, Pooter2001 and I got married there. While there, we go geocaching every time. I had not idea there was a CB nearby to my inlaws house, until we did the OYR cache. Guess what? Next visit, 4 months later, someone says "Where ya wanna go out to eat?" My kids said "There's a CB nearby" so my Father in Law takes us out to eat at CB. Check was over $80. One story of what I am certain are dozens if not hundreds. If I follow your "logic," my home should be full of Wal-Mart stuff based on the LPCs I've found. I don't think so!!!!!!! Nice try but then again I'll cut you some slack as your thoughts have probably been distorted by the mega-doses of gravy you've consumed over the years while frequenting CB!!!!!

Ditto (The key word being quality.) A Double Ditto!!!!!

Try going to Fort Lewis and bidding on them at a DRMO auction/sale. You'll have to buy a pallet or two but they'll be very cheap. Get some other cachers involved and you won't be swamped with them. If prices continue to rise nationwide, I may have to start a small cottage industry in "ammo can sales" as I live real close to Fort Hood, TX and they auction them off every month.

Ahhhhhh!!!!!! Just gotta love those assumptions!!!!!!! I believe I've done 4 to 6 of these caches and only once did I go in to spend any money. In fact the only time I did, the family and I were going to dinner and I snagged a cache before going in; getting the cache was a secondary effort.