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WhereRWee?

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  1. No...I did not get a chance. Had some family isues that came up that took priority. Will try this weekend.
  2. This is the sign that is posted at the door that leads to the path. As far as I can tell it is the only one for the entire museum. It is posted and I was wrong, I am sorry for breaking the rules and it was an honest mistake. The placement of the boulders does seem to encourage people to examine it. During my visit I know they are reading this thread so please keep the comments professional and objective. Hopefully I can work with them to resolve this issue.
  3. While there this is what happened. 30 min later a mother with a cub scout in full uniform did the same thing. I think they need to add a fence or post a sign here to keep others from making the same mistake I did.
  4. During my visit today I took a little better photo showing the path and petroglyph today.
  5. O.K. I wanted to let the people here know that I met with the person who made the complaint and we have agreed to discuss this sometime next week. I appreciate all of the support and will keep you updated on what happens.
  6. As the cache owner I would like to see it restored. The reason I created the cache was to share what I still consider a very interesting site. My guess is that the person who complained to the web site is probably in the minority in their views regarding this. For those of you that are interested I have posted the offensive photo on the original thread about this matter. Thanks for your support, Ken WhereRWee?
  7. FYI my daughter is completely on the trail when this photo was taken.
  8. Apology accepted...lets cache & make up For those of you that are interested here is the offensive photo.
  9. The 1st I heard of this was when Bryan contacted me about the concern that was expressed to the Geocahing admin. He told me that he was addressing the issued directly and was keeping the identity of the complainant confidential. I appreciate Bryan’s efforts on this matter and due to the confidentiality agreement I had no way of knowing whom to respond to. Ken
  10. I feel obligated to reply to AZAppels recent post attacking me regarding this incident and calling me and my 11 year old daughter “Stupid” and ruining this experience for others. Obviously AZApples has never made a mistake and is just as short sighted and ignorant as the person who requested that the cache be removed. As I stated in my earlier post the location where the picture was taken was on one of the walking paths. There were no signs, fencing, or other indications that this particular boulder was not to be examined by the public. As a mater of fact shortly before taking the picture I had spoken with the park ranger who advised me that the boulder had been struck by a bulldozer when the site was originally discovered by the Army Corps of Engineering. The boulder has heavy scarring from the bulldozer impact and the ranger was within 50 feet of us when we took the picture. As a matter of fact we took several photos at this boulder and he never said a single thing to us. During our tour to the site they had an exhibit inside of the museum where you could pick up and examine hammerstones that were used to create the petroglyphs. Your stupidity attacking me for an honest mistake is amazing. If the DVRAC does not want the public touching this boulder literally in the center of the walking path then they need to post a sign, or fence it off. Curiosity is natural and the location of this particular boulder invites the public to examine and even touch it. I apologized in my original post for my error and consider your reply as a personal attack against my daughter and me. Ken
  11. Hello, I would like to introduce myself as the owner of the virtual cache that has become the center of this controversy. The reason that I created the cache was to share with others some of the beauty and history that our state has to offer. I clearly posted on the cache page the hours that the museum is open and there was never a need for a visitor to “trespass”. In order to find the answers to the questions you never had to leave the public access paths that are maintained at the site. As far as the “offensive” photograph it consists of my daughter leaning up against a boulder with her arm above the petroglyph. This boulder is located directly in the walking path that a visitor takes to view the various petroglyphs at the site. Since this is a museum and this particular boulder was directly in the walking path I did not believe it was “off limits” The rest of the boulders are separated from visitors by short tubular fencing that clearly define restricted space. Since this boulder was directly in the visitors pathway, not separated by fencing, with no signs stating do not touch I did not believe there was any problem with my daughter posing by the glyph. My impression of the placement of the boulder directly in the walking path was that it was put there exactly for that purpose. This boulder is also clearly separated from main rock panels giving me the impression that it was there for public inspection. Many museums have similar displays that the public is allowed to touch and examine. We are sorry if we violated the museum rules but it was an honest mistake and this particular boulder should have been clearly marked, or fenced off. Whiling visiting the site, we spoke with the park ranger who happened to be Native American. During our conversation he explained how many of the local Arizona tribes once considered this site as a primary sacred location to them. He explained to us that many of these tribes felt betrayed and offended by the academic community taking over this sacred site and believed these people demonstrated little compassion, understanding or respect for their cultural heritage. Many of these tribes consider this site desecrated and will no longer visit this area because of the interference of the academic community. Is there a double standard that the museum is offended about a picture of a child touching “their” boulder, yet have no difficulty alienating entire tribes of Native Americans in order to conduct their research? The attitude we’ve derived appears to be elitist, encouraging academia but forgoing anyone else’s learning. The museum is run by Arizona State University, which is a publicly funded school. They lease the site from the Maricopa County Flood Control district, which is also publicly funded. I find the following statement interesting. “ I appreciate the removal of the Center from your website. It has attracted some visitors. However, we do not think your website is the kind of PR the Center is seeking” It interesting that they want to be selective in who can visit this publicly funded site. Who else is not welcome? The handicapped? Anglos’? Blacks? Hispanic’s? Hunters? Fishermen? 4x4 enthusiasts? Dog lovers? I do not recall seeing the sign on what they consider “acceptable” visitors. What is acceptable P.R.? National Geographic Magazine? Readers Digest? Playboy? Since when do they get to control freedom of speech regarding this publicly supported site? I also find this statement interesting: “Please remove the Deer Valley Rock Art Center from your website. I hope this request will not turn into a legal matter” What legal matter? There never, ever, was anything placed on this publicly owned property. This site is listed a “Phoenix Points of Pride” and “The National Register Of Historic Places”. Are they also going to be sued? Do a Web Search on “Deer Valley Rock Art Center” and see how many hits you get. Are they going to threaten legal action against all these sites? I seem to remember a little article called the 1st amendment that maybe they should read about. The sad thing is that as an educational institution they have missed an opportunity to help educated the Geocaching community about the importance of not touching petroglyphs. After learning of their concern I could have posted on the cache page about how the oils in fingerprints can actually harm a petroglyph. This opportunity is now lost because of their narrow minded thinking. Ken WhereRWee?
  12. I am the cache owner and I live in the neighborhood directly below the cache and saw nothing wrong with the excursion. I have hiked the area many times in the daylight and have been stared at by neighbors as I head into the hills. In my opinion the cache hunter ran into a homeowner who paid a $50,000 lot premium and feels THEY own the mountain and no one should hike there. Well that’s what you get for paying all that $$$$$ for a view of public property. Kind of like people who have a golf course view and then complain about the golf balls in their back yard. WhereRwee? Ken
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