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Wow just wow....He even seems to be blaming you for the missing tb...also if he knew the cache was at the zoo and didn't want to go why hunt it?. If its clearly marked on the cache page that a fee must be paid to enter the zoo, etc, then that's fine. At least cachers are forwarned. Again, its not like he had a gun to his head to go find it. There is a Entrance Fee to the Zoo, but there are caches on the Zoo Ground. I clearly state in my Cache description that the cache IS NOT on the Zoo Grounds, so a bit surprised by the rude log that's for sure.

Well, I would rather get a 'TFTC' then this rude comment that was on one of my caches today; http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=e67e1712-68b0-4e02-80ca-3528a05439e5

I think they are sold out on the Crake site, but try this one; http://geotrackcoins.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=16&sort=20a&page=5

This Coin looks like a 'Year of the Tiger' Geocoin.

I have one antique silver and one antique bronze available This German Site is still selling the Antique bronze ones too http://www.geocoinshop.de/products/Geocoins-Specials/SpaceGate-Geocoin-Antique-Bronce.html

Ha Ha, Funny Trick, had me goin'

Whatever, the coin went missing in it's maiden cache. It's been gone 5 years without even an attempt by whomever grabbed it to put it back into circulation. I would guess it was stolen.

Good News, I just received an email from the Coin's Owner, he was very appreciative to find out that his coin has resurfaced and has contacted the ebay seller; We have sent an eMail to the Seller and have asked for it's return. Thanks again! -SCOTT

I have contacted the Ebay seller of said coin and let them know that the coin was indeed activated and that it appears to have gone missing back in 2007 - and that it was a possibility the coin was stolen, the seller was appreciative of the info and has now ended the auction.

Just found this listing on Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Compass-Rose-Geocoin-2007-Geocaching-/290702915531?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43af3e77cb

Looks like another stolen coin on Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Compass-Rose-Geocoin-2007-Geocaching-/290702915531?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43af3e77cb

Here is a good one; http://coord.info/GCNY4V

Here are the instructions on how to place a trackable item into a geocache; Dropping off a Travel Bug Once you log that you have retrieved or grabbed a Travel Bug, you can drop it into a cache. The cache listing acts as a virtual container allowing you to indicate that you have placed the Travel Bug in the physical cache. If the Travel Bug has a goal, please try to follow the goal as best as you can. If the goal is to move the Travel Bug to the west coast, don't put the Travel Bug in a cache farther east. Step 1. Visit the Cache Listing Visit the cache listing for the cache in which you placed the Travel Bug. If you already logged your find, don't panic! You can still post another log note. Step 2. Visit the "log a cache" Page As you normally log a find, click on the link to log the cache. You will need to log in first. Step 3. Select the Travel Bug to drop off After entering the text for your find, scroll down to see a list of Travel Bug Trackables in your inventory. Using the dropdown menu, select either "dropped off" to leave a Travel Bug in the cache, or "visited" to record a visit while still retaining possession of the Travel Bug. Once you are ready, click the button to submit your log.

Hear, hear! +2

I can see that some feel it is necessary to create more rules and guidelines in regards to geocoins/Travelbugs. But is this really a problem? From what I have read in this thread and the other, All of the logs deleted were for discover logs which took place at a single event. The new owner was not just deleting logs arbitrarily, but only a few that were all done on the same day at an event. For the most part coin/tb owners want the logs on their coins they want to see the travels of their said item. Removing the ultimate freedom of ownership regarding coins/tb's would be a detriment to the owner. IMO

I have tried to explain it to you and everybody else. If I buy or trade for a pre-activated coin I first check to see how many logs are on it, I will ask the previous owner what kind of logs are on it. If there are none, which is what I prefer, I am more interested and if there only a few discovery logs then I will consider purchasing it. I like coins that I can start out anew, no logs so if I can delete a few discovery logs to make the coin mine then I will do it. I set a new start date on the coin and a new place of origin and erase it's history. I then hold onto the coin for awhile before releasing a proxy. I do have a few coins that I have purchased that already have proxies and are traveling, I knew this when I bought them and would not erase their history because they have a real history, not just one single event with a few discoveries.

Finally something that I agree with you about. However, unfortunately, the time comes for rules and regulations when free people start doing things that degrade the lives of others. In this case, you exercising your freedom is causing other people to lose something that they clearly care a great deal about. If you were to use your freedom more responsibly, perhaps the need for rules and regulations wouldn't be coming to fruition at this point. You gain nothing by deleting logs. Absolutely nothing. Your coin is worth nothing more, nothing less. It is still worth what it was worth when you bought it with the logs. Others, however, lose icons, discoveries, miles, etc. when you delete logs. This is one of the many, many reasons that have been brought to light in this very thread as to why what you and your friends are doing is wrong and irresponsible. You'd think I caused the world to crash from being in favor of allowing a new coin owner to delete a simple TFT discovery log. Give me a break. Let's get this back into prospective, it is only an Icon, it does not affect your life in any way. Weird, I was thinking the same thing. Only, rather than an icon, I was thinking that it was only a couple of discoveries, it does not affect your life in any way. So yes, let's please do get this back into perspective. What is the big deal about a few meaningless discoveries that do not affect your life in any way? the thing is unless your the actual coin owner and your the one that deleted the logs you dont know if the logs that were deleted just said TFT discovery log. but i belive this isnt just about a simple TFT log this is about deleting a log that someone else had discovered the coin either in a cache or at an event. well you are incorrect. the logs were discovery logs from an event only. the coin NEVER moved to a cache. my point was unless YOU actually deleted them your self then YOU dont know that the logs that were deleted were discovery only. (talking about the logs thats this thread was started for) because the logs were deleted before this thread started According to Eartha Above, they were only discovery logs

Finally something that I agree with you about. However, unfortunately, the time comes for rules and regulations when free people start doing things that degrade the lives of others. In this case, you exercising your freedom is causing other people to lose something that they clearly care a great deal about. If you were to use your freedom more responsibly, perhaps the need for rules and regulations wouldn't be coming to fruition at this point. You gain nothing by deleting logs. Absolutely nothing. Your coin is worth nothing more, nothing less. It is still worth what it was worth when you bought it with the logs. Others, however, lose icons, discoveries, miles, etc. when you delete logs. This is one of the many, many reasons that have been brought to light in this very thread as to why what you and your friends are doing is wrong and irresponsible. You'd think I caused the world to crash from being in favor of allowing a new coin owner to delete a simple TFT discovery log. Give me a break. Let's get this back into prospective, it is only an Icon, it does not affect your life in any way. Weird, I was thinking the same thing. Only, rather than an icon, I was thinking that it was only a couple of discoveries, it does not affect your life in any way. So yes, let's please do get this back into perspective. What is the big deal about a few meaningless discoveries that do not affect your life in any way? the thing is unless your the actual coin owner and your the one that deleted the logs you dont know if the logs that were deleted just said TFT discovery log. but i belive this isnt just about a simple TFT log this is about deleting a log that someone else had discovered the coin either in a cache or at an event. well you are incorrect. the logs were discovery logs from an event only. the coin NEVER moved to a cache.

Finally something that I agree with you about. However, unfortunately, the time comes for rules and regulations when free people start doing things that degrade the lives of others. In this case, you exercising your freedom is causing other people to lose something that they clearly care a great deal about. If you were to use your freedom more responsibly, perhaps the need for rules and regulations wouldn't be coming to fruition at this point. You gain nothing by deleting logs. Absolutely nothing. Your coin is worth nothing more, nothing less. It is still worth what it was worth when you bought it with the logs. Others, however, lose icons, discoveries, miles, etc. when you delete logs. This is one of the many, many reasons that have been brought to light in this very thread as to why what you and your friends are doing is wrong and irresponsible. You'd think I caused the world to crash from being in favor of allowing a new coin owner to delete a simple TFT discovery log. Give me a break. Let's get this back into prospective, it is only an Icon, it does not affect your life in any way. Weird, I was thinking the same thing. Only, rather than an icon, I was thinking that it was only a couple of discoveries, it does not affect your life in any way. So yes, let's please do get this back into perspective. What is the big deal about a few meaningless discoveries that do not affect your life in any way? See post above, logs would predate the activation -

You suggested they log a discovery with a "current date", i.e. not the actual date they saw the coin. This would make it a virtual log. Not in my opinion - they saw the coin, does not matter that they log it now. If it is only the icon they are worried about, would not matter the date of their log of discovery. The new owner is happy because the discover log is a current date and the previous discoverer is happy cause he has his icon back. every body wins!

Not possible, unless of course the coin owner is willing to meet with all of the people who had their logs deleted. Otherwise, it's nothing more than a virtual log, likely to get the coin locked completely. Hopefully not a practice that you're using with any of your many geocoins. No, They have already seen this coin, the owner is not handing out the tracking # to everybody, just those who logged it previously. And I resent your implication of me doing such a thing I am fully aware of the rules regarding virtual logging! if they are willing to let them relog the coin then what was the point of deleting them in the 1st place why were they not just left on there Because, The new owner has initiated a new activation date and and new starting point, so they don't want logs predating the activation. That's why. simple really

Not possible, unless of course the coin owner is willing to meet with all of the people who had their logs deleted. Otherwise, it's nothing more than a virtual log, likely to get the coin locked completely. Hopefully not a practice that you're using with any of your many geocoins. No, They have already seen this coin, the owner is not handing out the tracking # to everybody, just those who logged it previously. And I resent your implication of me doing such a thing I am fully aware of the rules regarding virtual logging!

Finally something that I agree with you about. However, unfortunately, the time comes for rules and regulations when free people start doing things that degrade the lives of others. In this case, you exercising your freedom is causing other people to lose something that they clearly care a great deal about. If you were to use your freedom more responsibly, perhaps the need for rules and regulations wouldn't be coming to fruition at this point. You gain nothing by deleting logs. Absolutely nothing. Your coin is worth nothing more, nothing less. It is still worth what it was worth when you bought it with the logs. Others, however, lose icons, discoveries, miles, etc. when you delete logs. This is one of the many, many reasons that have been brought to light in this very thread as to why what you and your friends are doing is wrong and irresponsible. You'd think I caused the world to crash from being in favor of allowing a new coin owner to delete a simple TFT discovery log. Give me a break. Let's get this back into prospective, it is only an Icon, it does not affect your life in any way. I am not the reason for a rule change it's the complainers of losing a simple icon that want rule changed.

You know the answer to all of this is to just request to discover the coin again, Ask the new owner that since you discovered this coin in the past, if they would not mind you discovering it again with a current date. That would make everyone happy.

RULES AND REGUALTIONS ERODE FREEDOM - I will be definitely voting NO on this if it comes to that!