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Originally posted by BassoonPilot:The next thing we'll see is a cache placed where the owner says the cache can only be sought by people wearing chicken hats and one red and one blue sneaker at midnight on the second Tuesday of a month when it's raining . . . it's precisely the same idea. Oh yeah, after receiving permission to log your legitimate find, you've got to include in your post time-stamped photos and a report from the Weather Channel, or else it will be deleted. So be it.
Why not? Isn't this the entire theory behind "Members Only" Geocaches? I mean really... What if I, a "Member", print out my cache log and head out, and oh, the folks that are going with me aren't "Members". Does that mean that they cannot log the find?
Point is, we are already dealing with restrictions. Telling people where to park so as not to disturb a wilderness area or the neighbors is a good form of control for a geocache. Asking people to send an email to verify the find of a virtual cache is not as difficult, time consuming or a hogging of the bandwidth as you seem to make it out to be. It is her cache, she can make rules if she likes. Again, if you chose not to go to that cache for whatever reason, DON'T GO! But please stop complaining/arguing about a cachers rights during placement.
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Lori aka: RedwoodRed
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Originally posted by BassoonPilot:The next thing we'll see is a cache placed where the owner says the cache can only be sought by people wearing chicken hats and one red and one blue sneaker at midnight on the second Tuesday of a month when it's raining . . . it's precisely the same idea. Oh yeah, after receiving permission to log your legitimate find, you've got to include in your post time-stamped photos and a report from the Weather Channel, or else it will be deleted. So be it.
Why not? Isn't this the entire theory behind "Members Only" Geocaches? I mean really... What if I, a "Member", print out my cache log and head out, and oh, the folks that are going with me aren't "Members". Does that mean that they cannot log the find?
Point is, we are already dealing with restrictions. Telling people where to park so as not to disturb a wilderness area or the neighbors is a good form of control for a geocache. Asking people to send an email to verify the find of a virtual cache is not as difficult, time consuming or a hogging of the bandwidth as you seem to make it out to be. It is her cache, she can make rules if she likes. Again, if you chose not to go to that cache for whatever reason, DON'T GO! But please stop complaining/arguing about a cachers rights during placement.
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Lori aka: RedwoodRed
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I'm sorry, this may end up being a rant, so I'll just apologize now.
I am so tired of "public lands" that have been "removed" from "public use" by the powers that be.
As an active four-wheel drive enthusiast, I get tired of the attitude by environmentalists that all four-wheelers are 18 year old, high-testosterone-producing males driving their HUGE 4x4's out into pristine wilderness areas and driving over every endangered species they can find! By stereotyping all four-wheelers with this description, can I then stereotype all environmentalists as tree-hugging, dirt-munching druids wearing Birkenstocks and dreadlocks and living on commune, driving a psychedelic-painted VW microbus, smoking hash and weaving hemp into useful items that they sell on street corners? NO, though I don't really know where the above description of a stereotypical environmentalist came from...
When Former Pres. Clinton signed that land-grab deal for making 11 million acres into a "Wilderness Refuge" around the U.S. and limiting public access to lands that were formerly used for grazing cattle, sustainable farming or just hiking, camping, fishing and enjoying getting away from the big cities, it was a betrayal of the worst kind to the American people. Almost as bad as selling Cray computers to the Chinese... but that's another issue, so don't get me started.
Now... (Red takes a deep breath in, blows out the poison thoughts imposed upon her by the over-paid powermongers in government) if this cache was placed in a State-controlled park, that may be another issue, but the real reason they are removing it is because of liability and they are hiding behind the issue of over-use. Or, they could really be claiming over-use and then they ARE trying to take our land away from us and they killed Kenny - THOSE BASTARDS!
Seriously ("I thought all of this was serious?" "You shut up!"), keep tabs on what is done with that area, because once they take it away you will never get it back, even for casual hiking, etc.
Sorry about the voices. What? You don't hear them? And people call me crazy!
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Lori aka: RedwoodRed
KF6VFI
"I don't get lost, I investigate alternative destinations."
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I'm sorry, this may end up being a rant, so I'll just apologize now.
I am so tired of "public lands" that have been "removed" from "public use" by the powers that be.
As an active four-wheel drive enthusiast, I get tired of the attitude by environmentalists that all four-wheelers are 18 year old, high-testosterone-producing males driving their HUGE 4x4's out into pristine wilderness areas and driving over every endangered species they can find! By stereotyping all four-wheelers with this description, can I then stereotype all environmentalists as tree-hugging, dirt-munching druids wearing Birkenstocks and dreadlocks and living on commune, driving a psychedelic-painted VW microbus, smoking hash and weaving hemp into useful items that they sell on street corners? NO, though I don't really know where the above description of a stereotypical environmentalist came from...
When Former Pres. Clinton signed that land-grab deal for making 11 million acres into a "Wilderness Refuge" around the U.S. and limiting public access to lands that were formerly used for grazing cattle, sustainable farming or just hiking, camping, fishing and enjoying getting away from the big cities, it was a betrayal of the worst kind to the American people. Almost as bad as selling Cray computers to the Chinese... but that's another issue, so don't get me started.
Now... (Red takes a deep breath in, blows out the poison thoughts imposed upon her by the over-paid powermongers in government) if this cache was placed in a State-controlled park, that may be another issue, but the real reason they are removing it is because of liability and they are hiding behind the issue of over-use. Or, they could really be claiming over-use and then they ARE trying to take our land away from us and they killed Kenny - THOSE BASTARDS!
Seriously ("I thought all of this was serious?" "You shut up!"), keep tabs on what is done with that area, because once they take it away you will never get it back, even for casual hiking, etc.
Sorry about the voices. What? You don't hear them? And people call me crazy!
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Lori aka: RedwoodRed
KF6VFI
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I remember those ads! Though I didn't see my first one until long after publication... I don't remember the year of the publication, but it was in a Penthouse (or was it Playboy?) magazine I found in my Dad's bathroom cupboard. No wonder he never let us in there when I was a kid!
I will say though, maybe we should contact C.C. and see if they will bring back the game, considering the popularity of Geocaching, it is sure to be a hit if they give GPS hints!
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Lori aka: RedwoodRed
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Originally posted by BassoonPilot:In my opinion, your demand comes across as arrogant and unreasonable. I see no need to manipulate people in such a way.
Um, hello? Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet Pot.
Virtuals are usually by their very nature dependant on information obtained at the cache site. If there isn't some control over what is posted on virtuals, you may as well tell a cache owner that they have no control whatsoever over what information is posted to a cache log. I don't think the email to the geocacher who's log was deleted OR the requirements set forth in the description of the geocache was rude. It is no different than asking visitors to a cache to be mindful of the environment or to please not disturb the neighbors.
Cache owner + cache responsibility = cache CONTROL.
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Certainly, when an individual claiming a find fails to submit the required information, or supplies incorrect information, I support your right to notify the claimant and delete the log.Again, um! In the initial post, the geocache owner notes in the email sent to the finder that the requirements were not met to log this as a find. So, the person who attempted the geocache, though rude, was intelligent enough to go out and look, intelligent enough to write such a well-worded response and yet foolish enough not to read the entire requirements for the geocache to begin with.
He is foolish and compounds his stupidity by being rude and arrogant. That type of person is the same type of geocacher who goes out to find the cache but didn't notice it was a virtual until they get home after looking for two hours. A waste of skin, IMHO... which I'm sure, B.P., is the same as your post.
Whatever...
Red Would Red *** Hey, that's not right!
RedwoodRed
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Originally posted by BassoonPilot:In my opinion, your demand comes across as arrogant and unreasonable. I see no need to manipulate people in such a way.
Um, hello? Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet Pot.
Virtuals are usually by their very nature dependant on information obtained at the cache site. If there isn't some control over what is posted on virtuals, you may as well tell a cache owner that they have no control whatsoever over what information is posted to a cache log. I don't think the email to the geocacher who's log was deleted OR the requirements set forth in the description of the geocache was rude. It is no different than asking visitors to a cache to be mindful of the environment or to please not disturb the neighbors.
Cache owner + cache responsibility = cache CONTROL.
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Certainly, when an individual claiming a find fails to submit the required information, or supplies incorrect information, I support your right to notify the claimant and delete the log.Again, um! In the initial post, the geocache owner notes in the email sent to the finder that the requirements were not met to log this as a find. So, the person who attempted the geocache, though rude, was intelligent enough to go out and look, intelligent enough to write such a well-worded response and yet foolish enough not to read the entire requirements for the geocache to begin with.
He is foolish and compounds his stupidity by being rude and arrogant. That type of person is the same type of geocacher who goes out to find the cache but didn't notice it was a virtual until they get home after looking for two hours. A waste of skin, IMHO... which I'm sure, B.P., is the same as your post.
Whatever...
Red Would Red *** Hey, that's not right!
RedwoodRed
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Originally posted by Ttepee:Last weekend while hunting this cache http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=16730 I came across a different sort of cache.
Here is portion of my log "I kicked up four deer on the way into the woods but all the kicking in the world wasn't going to get the fifth one up...yuck!
You know what is really bad?
Having the type of imagination where smell is involved... ooh-ick! Someone needs to come in and sweep out all of the unnecessary and gross crap in my memory, PLEASE!
RedwoodRed
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Originally posted by Ttepee:Last weekend while hunting this cache http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=16730 I came across a different sort of cache.
Here is portion of my log "I kicked up four deer on the way into the woods but all the kicking in the world wasn't going to get the fifth one up...yuck!
You know what is really bad?
Having the type of imagination where smell is involved... ooh-ick! Someone needs to come in and sweep out all of the unnecessary and gross crap in my memory, PLEASE!
RedwoodRed
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Personally, I feel that hiding a geocache while on vacation or traveling to another area for whatever reason is perfectly acceptable IF the cache area, container and contents are well-thought out to AVOID the need for frequent maintenance. These seem to be pretty big ifs, especially after reading some of the replies to this thread.
However, one aspect of the original post to this thread doesn't seem to have been acknowledged: This is a new cacher. Emailing them to point out the items lacking in their geocache will cause newbies/rabid hamsters to quit the hobby before they have even begun to enjoy it and have graduated beyond the rabid stage. Having been a RH, I know... I'm still a bit of an RH at times.
This has come up repeatedly in the threads to this forum, but the main way to deal with it, IMHO is to try and take these folks under-wing. Go geocaching with them. Arrange to have coffee/tea/soda with them to discuss your mutual interest. Show support and consideration for their newness to a sport that we all want to see grow and prosper.
Learning the proper way to place a good or great cache can only be done with knowing what a great cache IS. No one should place restrictions on newbies placing caches... we don't want more restrictions placed on us or our sport. But teaching newcomers is a responsibility we all should share.
Way more than my .02,
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Lori aka: RedwoodRed
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Personally, I feel that hiding a geocache while on vacation or traveling to another area for whatever reason is perfectly acceptable IF the cache area, container and contents are well-thought out to AVOID the need for frequent maintenance. These seem to be pretty big ifs, especially after reading some of the replies to this thread.
However, one aspect of the original post to this thread doesn't seem to have been acknowledged: This is a new cacher. Emailing them to point out the items lacking in their geocache will cause newbies/rabid hamsters to quit the hobby before they have even begun to enjoy it and have graduated beyond the rabid stage. Having been a RH, I know... I'm still a bit of an RH at times.
This has come up repeatedly in the threads to this forum, but the main way to deal with it, IMHO is to try and take these folks under-wing. Go geocaching with them. Arrange to have coffee/tea/soda with them to discuss your mutual interest. Show support and consideration for their newness to a sport that we all want to see grow and prosper.
Learning the proper way to place a good or great cache can only be done with knowing what a great cache IS. No one should place restrictions on newbies placing caches... we don't want more restrictions placed on us or our sport. But teaching newcomers is a responsibility we all should share.
Way more than my .02,
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Lori aka: RedwoodRed
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the essential caching aid is my new Magellan Meridian. I really don't know how we ever cached (or kept from getting lost) without it.
Love my Maggie!
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Lori aka: RedwoodRed
KF6VFI
"I don't get lost, I investigate alternative destinations."
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Abandoned Caches.. what to do?
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This is very topical to me, personally. Recently, we travelled up the coast of Oregon just to Geocache. It was a blast. We had the print-outs of 33 geocaches when we started. We didn't take the route we had originally planned, so half of that number got culled after the first day from our list.
Here is the issue: So many of the caches along the coast are CRAP! Some are water-logged, some are MIA, some had had their contents plundered and replaced with trash or unmentionable stuff. Reading the logs, it appears that most of these have been problematic for months, yet nothing has been done. Well, almost nothing...
One cache in Coos Bay was adopted by a gentleman who really appreciated the placement of it and was shocked by the condition he'd found it in, so he took it home, cleaned it up and added new goodies. What a guy! All to keep the sport going.
But to play devil's advocate for a moment... What if I place twenty caches in this area and then my company moves to Bermuda and if I want to keep my job I've gotta move to Bermuda. I can no longer maintain my caches, right? My choices are 1)to find someone locally who will adopt them, 2)remove and archive them, reducing the overall geocaching enjoyment of the folks in my area and visitors or 3)Hey, I'm going to Bermuda! Geocaches are the last thing on my mind. I've gotta pack, sell my house, find a new school for the kids... you get the idea.
A truly responsible person thinks of everything, and they would most likely do numbers one or two. But we aren't all perfect.
If there are repeated logs claiming damage to the cache and the owner doesn't take action (that doesn't include an email saying, "Yeah, I'll do it.") within six months, go out, get the box and use it to place a cache of your own. Contact Jeremy or whomever handles these things and ask/beg that the cache be archived. Then recycle the container, contents and area, but name it something different and make it your own.
Six months is a decent time to prove someone just ain't comin' back to fix it, IMHO.
Did I ramble too much? Must be the caffiene...
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Lori aka: RedwoodRed
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"I don't get lost, I investigate alternative destinations."
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