The GeoGadgets Team

quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: In my opinion, your demand comes across as arrogant and unreasonable. I see no need to manipulate people in such a way. Um, hello? Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet Pot. Virtuals are usually by their very nature dependant on information obtained at the cache site. If there isn't some control over what is posted on virtuals, you may as well tell a cache owner that they have no control whatsoever over what information is posted to a cache log. I don't think the email to the geocacher who's log was deleted OR the requirements set forth in the description of the geocache was rude. It is no different than asking visitors to a cache to be mindful of the environment or to please not disturb the neighbors. Cache owner + cache responsibility = cache CONTROL. quote:Certainly, when an individual claiming a find fails to submit the required information, or supplies incorrect information, I support your right to notify the claimant and delete the log. Again, um! In the initial post, the geocache owner notes in the email sent to the finder that the requirements were not met to log this as a find. So, the person who attempted the geocache, though rude, was intelligent enough to go out and look, intelligent enough to write such a well-worded response and yet foolish enough not to read the entire requirements for the geocache to begin with. He is foolish and compounds his stupidity by being rude and arrogant. That type of person is the same type of geocacher who goes out to find the cache but didn't notice it was a virtual until they get home after looking for two hours. A waste of skin, IMHO... which I'm sure, B.P., is the same as your post. Whatever... Red Would Red *** Hey, that's not right! RedwoodRed

quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: In my opinion, your demand comes across as arrogant and unreasonable. I see no need to manipulate people in such a way. Um, hello? Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet Pot. Virtuals are usually by their very nature dependant on information obtained at the cache site. If there isn't some control over what is posted on virtuals, you may as well tell a cache owner that they have no control whatsoever over what information is posted to a cache log. I don't think the email to the geocacher who's log was deleted OR the requirements set forth in the description of the geocache was rude. It is no different than asking visitors to a cache to be mindful of the environment or to please not disturb the neighbors. Cache owner + cache responsibility = cache CONTROL. quote:Certainly, when an individual claiming a find fails to submit the required information, or supplies incorrect information, I support your right to notify the claimant and delete the log. Again, um! In the initial post, the geocache owner notes in the email sent to the finder that the requirements were not met to log this as a find. So, the person who attempted the geocache, though rude, was intelligent enough to go out and look, intelligent enough to write such a well-worded response and yet foolish enough not to read the entire requirements for the geocache to begin with. He is foolish and compounds his stupidity by being rude and arrogant. That type of person is the same type of geocacher who goes out to find the cache but didn't notice it was a virtual until they get home after looking for two hours. A waste of skin, IMHO... which I'm sure, B.P., is the same as your post. Whatever... Red Would Red *** Hey, that's not right! RedwoodRed

quote:Originally posted by Ttepee: Last weekend while hunting this cache http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=16730 I came across a different sort of cache. Here is portion of my log "I kicked up four deer on the way into the woods but all the kicking in the world wasn't going to get the fifth one up...yuck! You know what is really bad? Having the type of imagination where smell is involved... ooh-ick! Someone needs to come in and sweep out all of the unnecessary and gross crap in my memory, PLEASE! RedwoodRed

quote:Originally posted by Ttepee: Last weekend while hunting this cache http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=16730 I came across a different sort of cache. Here is portion of my log "I kicked up four deer on the way into the woods but all the kicking in the world wasn't going to get the fifth one up...yuck! You know what is really bad? Having the type of imagination where smell is involved... ooh-ick! Someone needs to come in and sweep out all of the unnecessary and gross crap in my memory, PLEASE! RedwoodRed

Personally, I feel that hiding a geocache while on vacation or traveling to another area for whatever reason is perfectly acceptable IF the cache area, container and contents are well-thought out to AVOID the need for frequent maintenance. These seem to be pretty big ifs, especially after reading some of the replies to this thread. However, one aspect of the original post to this thread doesn't seem to have been acknowledged: This is a new cacher. Emailing them to point out the items lacking in their geocache will cause newbies/rabid hamsters to quit the hobby before they have even begun to enjoy it and have graduated beyond the rabid stage. Having been a RH, I know... I'm still a bit of an RH at times. This has come up repeatedly in the threads to this forum, but the main way to deal with it, IMHO is to try and take these folks under-wing. Go geocaching with them. Arrange to have coffee/tea/soda with them to discuss your mutual interest. Show support and consideration for their newness to a sport that we all want to see grow and prosper. Learning the proper way to place a good or great cache can only be done with knowing what a great cache IS. No one should place restrictions on newbies placing caches... we don't want more restrictions placed on us or our sport. But teaching newcomers is a responsibility we all should share. Way more than my .02, ---------- Lori aka: RedwoodRed KF6VFI "I don't get lost, I investigate alternative destinations." GeoGadgets Team Website Comics, Video Games and Movie Fansite

Personally, I feel that hiding a geocache while on vacation or traveling to another area for whatever reason is perfectly acceptable IF the cache area, container and contents are well-thought out to AVOID the need for frequent maintenance. These seem to be pretty big ifs, especially after reading some of the replies to this thread. However, one aspect of the original post to this thread doesn't seem to have been acknowledged: This is a new cacher. Emailing them to point out the items lacking in their geocache will cause newbies/rabid hamsters to quit the hobby before they have even begun to enjoy it and have graduated beyond the rabid stage. Having been a RH, I know... I'm still a bit of an RH at times. This has come up repeatedly in the threads to this forum, but the main way to deal with it, IMHO is to try and take these folks under-wing. Go geocaching with them. Arrange to have coffee/tea/soda with them to discuss your mutual interest. Show support and consideration for their newness to a sport that we all want to see grow and prosper. Learning the proper way to place a good or great cache can only be done with knowing what a great cache IS. No one should place restrictions on newbies placing caches... we don't want more restrictions placed on us or our sport. But teaching newcomers is a responsibility we all should share. Way more than my .02, ---------- Lori aka: RedwoodRed KF6VFI "I don't get lost, I investigate alternative destinations." GeoGadgets Team Website Comics, Video Games and Movie Fansite

the essential caching aid is my new Magellan Meridian. I really don't know how we ever cached (or kept from getting lost) without it. Love my Maggie! ---------- Lori aka: RedwoodRed KF6VFI "I don't get lost, I investigate alternative destinations." GeoGadgets Team Website Comics, Video Games and Movie Fansite