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  1. I may be misunderstanding, but is there a reason why a change in rating changes the stats? If the point is to update to be accurate to the current state of the cache, is the changing of the stats not ignoring that when you found the cache, it was a T5 (or whatever the rating was)? I'm absolutely in the camp that the rating should be accurate to the current reality so it's clear for current finders, but I don't get why the stats have to change if the site KNOWS you found it when it was a certain rating.

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  2. 11 hours ago, barefootjeff said:

    Provide a way to see found mysteries and multis at their corrected coordinates. We know where they are because we've found them, yet we can't see them on any of the site's maps, particularly the planning map where it would be most helpful

    I wish we had this one! Not even just for hiding, just for knowing where the cache is - I recall better what the cache was when looking back when it's at the final location cos that's the spot I remember.

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  3. I've had minimal injuries so far but some near misses. Most notably, while heading up to GC43 - the oldest cache in Europe - I took a bit of a scenic (read: dodgy) route up to GZ, and fell several times with the rocks, leapt a wall and slipped, scratched up my hands and legs in the process, and then got stung by nettles as I got back down to the track. I'm lucky I didn't fall farther or hurt myself worse as the hill face was quite steep. 

  4. Got my first caches in another country this past weekend! I was in London with friends and took a few hours out of my day to get a few geocaches, six in all, including a webcam cache which we have none of in Ireland. I'd love to go for a bigger cache romp around Europe, especially because of the open borders. 

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  5. Is there a regional element at play? There is at least one cache near me where it definitely needs a boat to access - it's on an island that no one lives on, so by default you would need a boat to get to the island, but it is not marked as a T5, instead a T1.5 as is likely more appropriate for the immediate cache location.


    I agree that there is some inconsistency within the D/T ratings, but at the end of the day I think their purpose is primarily to communicate approximate information quickly and easily. T5, whether it means boat, scuba, climbing, etc quickly tells me that the cache will require a level of prep and investment that is not easily done. 

  6. 10 minutes ago, Isonzo Karst said:

    The badge does not require hiding. Hide is one of 4 options in section 8.


    I've given TB tags to scouts, as release a TB is another of the options. I'd rather see free TB to scout groups than access to PMO caches, as in the original post.



    My mistake! I'm not in the US so I'm unfamiliar, I misunderstood from the other comments that scouts were hiding for the badge.

  7. I do think there's some merit to finding a way to enable participation through groups like scouts, but I would agree that it would be better if the badge didn't require hiding a cache - it's only going to incentivise hides that won't be well taken care of. That being said, I would be of the view that the most ideal way for a group like a scout troop to participate would be an account for the troop itself. One premium membership. Controlled by the leaders so the kids are supervised and supported. If the kids get into it independently as they grow up or with their families, they can make their own account. I do think it's good for kids to participate and to encourage them, it just needs to be supervised and supported adequately as kids will - understandably - make mistakes or do things more focused on fun than consideration.

  8. 9 minutes ago, Ragnemalm said:

    Logging caches that are lost. Nobody can prove you did not find it! But how about putting some burden of proof on the finder? If you log an archived cache, or a cache with three or more recent DNF, how about demanding a photo as proof? The same goes for logging an archived cache.

    I think that in those cases, this would likely prevent people from logging real finds more often than catching cheats. For example - if someone's logging an archived cache, there's a high chance they found it quite a while ago (thinking of folks who've made new individual accounts having had group accounts previously), and therefore they wouldn't have taken a photo necessarily at the time. With the recent DNF trends, I think something everyone could stand to do a bit more often is log a needs maintenance. If several people in a row (making an exception for brand new cachers) are struggling to find a cache with a low difficulty, at that point the "maintenance" needed is the CO checking to see if the cache is still there. Having placed 2 caches myself, if someone didn't find either of them, knowing how simple the hides are, I'd be checking on those caches pretty fast.

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  9. Hello folks, I'm looking forward to trying some ALs as part of the upcoming event, but obviously I have COVID restrictions to keep in mind. I know they differ from place to place, but basically I wanted to know if there was an easy way to determine if ALs were doable entirely outside or if they require entering, beyond the cache owner stating it explicitly. I don't want to go barking up the wrong tree looking for a cache when I won't be able to access it in the end. 

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  10. I was not a cacher when ALs were introduced, and I haven't done any yet, but I think it's interesting to see a promotion specifically trying to incentivise the ALs. I know they can be a controversial feature, so I think the choice to push them via a promotional event is intriguing. Are they hoping some people will try them if they haven't before and get on board? That the anti-ALs will give them a second chance? I would have thought that providing the improvements that people want from the ALs would be the best way to promote them, but I could see this working too. I'm certainly going to try some ALs since I haven't done any yet - it's just a matter of figuring out which ones around me I can do with our current local restrictions.

  11. I'm a phone cacher - like many younger people, I already owned a good phone that I could use and I didn't have the money for a GPS, so I'm firmly a phone cacher. I definitely read the description and cache page and home thoroughly before I go out to look for caches, even if it's a lower D/T rating that I'd be pretty confident I could manage. No one likes going out and getting no finds, so I do my digging first. A lot of people have already mentioned the stuff that comes to mind for me - I don't think it's necessarily a phone/GPS issue, I would have said the app makes me more likely to check the description again in the field because it's so easy to access that way. I've also seen a lot of descriptions which, while super interesting and providing a lot of info about the history of a location, don't help with finding the cache, hence I read at home to avoid standing around reading in the field like a fool. 


    As a proper answer to the question regarding getting people to read descriptions, I would say the descriptions I like reading the most have the history/culture/backstory information distinctly separated from the caching info. For example, they have a paragraph about the history and then after a bold heading that says "the Cache", indicating that cache info is there. I would also say attributes make a difference - if I see attributes I'm not familiar with or that indicate certain risks or obstacles, I'll be giving a more thorough read of the cache page and the previous logs. I think the unfortunate thing at the end of the day is that much like how many students never learn to take their time and read the question, many cachers can't be conditioned into reading the description. All anyone can do is make their best effort and hope people follow along.

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  12. On 1/7/2021 at 12:27 AM, ecanderson said:

    HALF of all accounts found only between 1 and 4 caches during the course of the year?

    That's pretty sad, and requires no imagination at all to explain. 

    Would be interesting to have that same statistic for the year prior to the 'invention' of the first geocaching phone app.


    Surely the presence of a global pandemic would have been a bigger impact? I know for periods of time I haven't be able to travel further than 2km from my house, which would really limit caching opportunities. Granted, I did get more than four - but I'm sure this would have been a big factor in the amount of caches. I'd be more curious about the comparison between 2020 and 2019

  13. 6 hours ago, JL_HSTRE said:


    By power trail I mean driveable PTs. There are high numbers biking or walking trails, but PTs are usually on roadsides. 


    Urban caches and rural caches aren't competing for space, they're competing for time.


    Fewer people hiking means fewer hiking hides and less incentive by COs to maintain their hiking hides. Nobody is or will come to my cache so why bother placing it, even though it's in an area I think is worth going? It becomes a vicious cycle.


    It's also about the impression the hobby gives to newcomers, affecting whether they stick with geocaching. If my first geocache finds had been in parking lots instead of parks I would not have stuck with this hobby. Fortunately when I started most local hides were in parks, some of which I had been to before. It showed me geocaching could take me places I would want to go.

    My apologies RE power trails, I don't think any of the trails locally are particularly drivable and there isn't many to begin with, so I can see how it might pose a bigger challenge elsewhere.

    But with the urban/rural caches, I still don't think I'm following. The urban caches don't take away audience from the rural caches necessarily - if like you said some cachers don't like a hike then they wouldn't be looking for a rural hide anyway, if those cachers are anything like me they can't drive so they're restricted to caches that are accessible by public transport, ruling out a lot of particularly remote caches. If the audience for urban and rural cachers is that fundamentally different, then I don't see how they could be competing, as the people looking for urban caches wouldn't be interested in rural caching.


    I can agree that the first impression matters, and there certainly are caches that are less impactful or impressive, and there are of course caches that aren't being well cared for. However, at the end of the day not all geocachers like all caches. We can't control for that. I'm probably not going to get the local cache that requires sea kayaking next to dangerous cliffs, because it's not my type of activity, but the people who have found that cache love it. I think the best thing we can do as cachers in shaping the game is just providing positive feedback to the caches we really like, skipping out on the ones we don't, and putting out the kinds of caches we'd enjoy finding. 

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  14. 6 hours ago, JL_HSTRE said:

    Urban spew. Power trails. An unwillingness to seek caches that require a modest hike.


    Early on I think geocaching was primarily something for outdoorsy people. Certainly most of the people I've met that have been around since the early days were that way. Now there are entirely too many people who can't be persuaded to seek caches out of sight of pavement. Some people do grow into being more outdoorsy through this hobby, but as we bleed outdoorsy people and ammo cans out ib the woods faster than we replace them there are fewer people to show them the way.

    I see this thought process a lot on the forums, and I'm genuinely curious - why are these problems? If you're an outdoorsy type, you like a good hike, you're interested in those kinds of caches, then the urban caches aren't exactly in the way. They're not taking up space that could be for caches with long hikes. As for power trails, as much as I am growing to like longer hikes and more outdoorsy cache adventures, a power trail would certainly make the exercise of a walk more engaging or exciting with several caches along the way. What's wrong with people wanting to cache differently from the way you do?


    As for the topic of lonely caches or not-very-favourited caches, I think it would be a loss to archive caches for that reason. Turnover I do think would be a benefit (coming from a newer cacher) but I think there's better ways to encourage it. Maybe save the adoption of caches for exceptional circumstances, such as an extremely popular or significant cache. Maybe incentivize the voluntary archiving of caches in some way for cache owners. Not claiming to have all the answers, they're only suggestions, but those caches shouldn't just be archived because they're less popular.

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  15. I'm curious if anyone knows of any gadget caches in Ireland. Search by field puzzle  attribute turned up a few, but I know that not everyone is exceptionally diligent on their attributes and I'm sure many caches were placed before their introduction, and they do seem to be mostly visual puzzles rather than the more physical gadget caches I've seen discussed elsewhere. I see a lot of US cachers talk about these types of caches, and I do think they look very intriguing and engaging - are there any around? Or do I need to start planning some post-pandemic trips abroad?

  16. I've been looking into placing my first cache, and I love the idea of a library cache - not outside the library, but inside. I've seen that there are caches like this in other countries, but I was unable to find any in Ireland. I think it would be valuable to be able to show an example of a library cache when getting in contact with my local library to ask for their permission. Does anyone know of a good example, preferably in Ireland, but elsewhere too? Thanks so much!

  17. I handmade some stickers to leave - I'm no artist, but I made some simple cache-themed stickers using what drawing supplies I have, paper name tags, and tape to at least make them a little bit more resistant to weather. I have a coin collection though, with a lot of spare world and out of circulation coinage in jars, so I might start leaving some of them behind. Less custom than the stickers, but certainly more "signature" to me since that's another hobby I enjoy.

  18. 38 minutes ago, Keystone said:


    With 23 finds under your belt, and living in a cache-rich area, you should have no problem finding new caches to visit in order to collect the Wonders you need.  That said, your ethics and statistical preferences are within your control to an extent.  For the past few years, it's been impossible to log two finds on the same cache.  So yes, you'd need to delete your original find and replace it with a new find - hopefully after a physical re-visit to the cache location.


    36 minutes ago, NYPaddleCacher said:


    A couple of years ago there was a change in the system which prevented one from logging multiple found its on the same cache.   I've never tried logging a find, deleting the found it log, then attempt to log the find again.  


    31 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

    Whhhyyyy?  Just go find new caches. ?

     Thank you all for the responses! My concern is more about heading further afield over time due to the virus, not about finding new caches - I'm not a great cyclist and I don't drive yet, so I'll be using public transport for further trips. 

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  19. The memory lane event is the only one I've ever done, so I'm no expert. If you have local caches that you've already found that have specific wonders in them, would you be able to log them? Do you need to delete your original find for that to work, or can you re-find them for the wonders?

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