wera172

Well, to me 2.2 mph (3.5km/h) it's a little bit high for hiking, do you thing? I hope that Garmin could improve this. Maybe to 1-1.2 mph. The 60C(S)x is also a high-sensitivity GPS and I think it has a better behavior. Does anyone know if there is a velocity "trigger" for the 60 C(S)x? regards Yes, I do think its too high for hiking or any other use, that's why I called Garmin about it, and am encouraging others to do the same. I didn't mean to imply this quirk (flaw) is acceptable, but rather was making Garmin's own claim known. When I called Garmin, I only discussed the HCx series, so I don't know about the "trigger" on the other models. Nobody seems to be complaining - with the exception of the HCx owners.

No offense, but I believe this to be a misleading statement. Perhaps I am interpreting your statement incorrectly? At any rate, I am going to oversimplify things and keep it basic, but will hopefully explain and differentiate my understanding of the GPS concept. GPS positioning works based upon the concept of triangulation - solving an equation for one unknown position (you with your GPSr in hand) by receiving, interpreting, and correcting a series of known positions (the GPS satellites). The satellites transmit their positioning information via the almanac data, along with a DoD maintained atomic time stamp and a "pseudo random code" to identify one satellite from another. Your GPSr obviously receives this known positioning information. Since it knows where the satellites are (almanac data), what time the positioning information was sent (atomic clock synchronization), which satellite it came from (pseudo random code) - and how long it took to receive this information, it can then calculate and display your position and movement. Your unknown and variable position is computed upon this series of known satellite positions, rather than the Doppler shift effect of a given signal; the positions and signals are essentially fixed, you aren't. Once a satellite "lock" is achieved, your position is known and updates are then calculated depending on GPS settings (ie, "battery saver" mode calculates your position less often). The known satellite positioning data is always there for interpretation. I don't believe this concept should be confused with Doppler shift, which is based upon a frequency change of a given signal as the source or observer moves in relation to the other; rather GPS uses known exact positions and a continuously broadcast (and corrected) signal without frequency change. Best, WERA172

^^^^ Keep in mind this "error" is only present below a given velocity; 2.2 mph is what the Garmin phone rep told me the other day. This is obviously a problem when walking (threads abound about it), but you shouldn't see it when driving or moving at higher speeds.

^^^^ Excellent Smac! Thanks for taking the time not only to gather & compare data, but for keeping us updated as well. Let's see what they do with it!

Agreed. Newb888 - I don't know where you live, but I just did an in-situ test on these two units last week. I checked around here (NC), and the only retailer I found that had both units in stock was REI. Not only did they have both units in the same display case, they also had batteries in them. I was impressed! Check the link and see if there's an REI in your area - seeing these units side-by-side is a worthwhile proposition; the improved/brighter display on the HCx units is easily seen.

You should call Garmin and be yet another consumer expressing dissatisfaction and confusion about their latest products. Get the email address of the person you are talking to, and then email him/her a link to this thread. The more negative feedback they hear, the better the chance of a solution.

Do note that in the other thread, Smac999 posted the following: Which seems to be a decent work-around until Garmin receives enough negative feedback to (hopefully) offer a firmware update.

Pretty cool! Never seen one with both 12vdc and 110vac.

Which OS and software are you running? Did it come with a driver cd? Also, there is another thread regarding this same subject, and one of the posters had to have his gps connected, turned on, and then boot his computer for XP to recognize it. Not sure it will help you, but worth a shot. The other thing is - have you had your Legend connected & functional previously? If not, you may have to change the connection settings in the Setup page - look on pg 46 of your manual for more info. I had to do this with mine.

No, you don't need to buy a map program to get you started. Maps are only needed if you want street-level detail, topo, etc. Not needed (mandatory) for geocaching. All you really need are the cache coordinates. Goto THIS page and enter your zip code to find the location/coordinates of caches near your house (or whatever location you are caching from...). A list of caches nearby will pop up. Click on each to see more about it - including the coordinates. You can then enter these coordinates manually, upload them directly, or use EasyGPS to view & upload them to your GPSr. Let us know if you need more info! Good luck! edit: Here is a better link about waypoints and uploading them: HERE

^^^^ I would bet that it isn't so much of an important feature, but rather the lack of a seemingly small detail in an otherwise highly capable device. I've noticed it too, but for the most part, it isn't important to me.

True, but one would hope that they aren't people out making dc>usb devices with the incorrect output voltage. Both of the devices I listed do indeed specify the output; had they not listed it, I would not have posted the links in fear of leading the OP down the wrong road. Thanks

As far as the cigarette lighter portion of your question, you should be able to use something like this: Amazon Link or this: Ind Comp. Simply plug your normal usb cable in and you're good to go. (All usb output is 5v)

I think pictures are always a nice addition when selling anything - even a GPSr that we all know what it looks like. In this case, pictures of all the goodies included in your sale would help justify your asking price. Just my $.02 worth...

^^^^ Well there's a nice "work-around". Thanks for checking it out and posting - I guess I can feel better about my plans to purchase one now.

Let's not forget to include the monochrome Legend (the blue one). Countless gps adventures have been started with this excellent unit - mine included. You can find these on here & eBay for <$100.

^^^^ Nice data - must have been one heckuva' hike! I agree that 2.2 mph is ridiculous for a gps unit whose target market is hikers and outdoor adventurers. Hopefully, Garmin will receive enough feedback and offer up a fix.

All kinds of USB stuff (including your requested cable) HERE

Gotcha. Thanks.

^^^^ Thanks for clarifying the dvd versus sd card unlock situation. But, it seems to me that maximum versatility would be obtained by purchasing the dvd and a blank sd card so custom maps and waypoints can be generated and placed on the card at will, no? (I am saying this from the standpoint of only having to use the maps on a single GPSr).

I just called Garmin about it, and I read post #1 to the rep on the phone - she did know about it, although this particular rep was more aware of a drift issue when the unit was stationary, as opposed to a lack of registering speed & distance when the unit is actually moving. The rep told me that the cutoff/activation point for the HCx models to register speed is 2.2 mph; she did not know of any firmware fix to correct it. Perhaps if enough of us call, a fix can be made? In the case of the drift issue, she stated that turning the compass off should correct it(?). (I just sold my 'ol blue Legend and haven't purchased my HCx replacement yet, so I can't verify this info).

So perhaps my info in #15 is incorrect. If anyone can shed some light on this, I'd appreciate it.

You could always copy the data off the pre-loaded/retail card and onto a blank dvd or your hard drive as a backup. That way you could copy the data back onto a blank data card if the original was lost.

Received item today in great shape. Now that was fast shipping! Thanks. Your welcome! I was hoping UPS would come through on the 1 day delivery. Enjoy it - the lil' blue Legend is a great unit for geocaching. Be sure and post your GPS adventures so we can all hear them.

The unit has been sold - Thanks for the interest everybody!