Rebore
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15 minutes ago, SeattleWayne said:
If someone abandons their cache to rot in the forest, who's property is it really? Next you're going to tell me the cache owner pops back up after a year and demands that their .99 cent sandwich box is return to them. I've read countless forum posts of cachers picking up archived, junked out caches and contacting the CO letting them know, "hey, I have your cache..." for them to turn around and say, "Keep it" if they're lucky to get a response at all.
I was talking about archived caches, not geotrashes. Not all archived caches are rotten and worthless junk, as you seem to assume.
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35 minutes ago, SeattleWayne said:22 hours ago, Rebore said:
If you mean the owner, yes. It's fine that owners are encouraged to clean up after they're done with the cache, but it's ridiculous to interpret that as a strict rule.
Why shouldn't it be a strict rule?
I named two reasons in the post you quoted. Groundspek also can't enforce it, because, again, the cache is property of the owner. The only thing they could do is banning the owner from their site because of violating said guideline (not rule).
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10 minutes ago, L0ne.R said:
Have you ever listed a cache on 2 sites?
I have.I marked the container, logbook and cache description with that information. When I archived my letterboxes I put a note in my archived cache description that they were still listed on the Letterbox site and could be logged there. Never had a problem with anyone removing my active letterboxes that were archived on GC but listed elsewhere, with one exception. I had to ask a reviewer to lock one of my letterboxes because it was listed as a cache in someone's Bingo Letterbox challenge and people were logging it after retrieval/archival.
I'm quite sure you're not (no longer?) allowed to mention other listing services in the cache descripton, at least in my area. Maybe mentioning it in a note or the archive log is tolerated.
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On 17.1.2018 at 5:13 PM, L0ne.R said:
The container should have been removed from play, unless in active play on another site--which is extremely rare, and often the logbook reflects whether the cache is actively in play.
That is not mentioned in the links you provided. The guidelines say that the owner has to remove the container two months after the listing was archived on geocaching.com (at latest). If that was a strict rule, it would imply that you are
* not allowed to submit the same cache to other listing services or archive it on those other sites, too
* not allowed to leave the container in place as a part of a scavanger hunt (or for any other purpose) for non-geocaching friends once it was listed at geocaching.com.
4 hours ago, justintim1999 said:When you placed the cache you agreed to abide by Groundspeak's guidelines except the one about cleaning up after yourself when your done?
I might just be done with Groundspeak's listing service and not with the hide.
4 hours ago, justintim1999 said:That particular one is nobody's business but yours?
If you mean the owner, yes. It's fine that owners are encouraged to clean up after they're done with the cache, but it's ridiculous to interpret that as a strict rule.
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43 minutes ago, L0ne.R said:
I've heard of an owner who would archive his caches, submit caches within feet of the archived caches and encourage people to log both.
I believe this is what's called gaming the system. It's a way to get around the saturation rule.
Would your friends bother to go find your archived caches if they couldn't log them on geocaching.com? It's your property, but it's Groundspeak's database. It makes Groundspeak look like they turn a blind eye to geolitter, and condone poor stewardship.
I agree that this is gaming the system, and I didn't mean to relist the same cache on Groundspeak servers. What I had in mind was personal information like a mail or blog, so no, they wouldn't get a +1 to their find count. Probably they wouldn't even be "official geocachers" at all.
Would they go for it? I hope so, if they are in the area. However, I don't agree with the statement that Groundspeak is turning a blind eye to geolitter by allowing logs on archived caches. There would be no difference in the number of geotrashes if they didn't, but there would be a lot more complpaints because of the legit reasons already stated in this thread.
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1 hour ago, justintim1999 said:
Isn't a violation of Grounspeak's guidelines a good reason for a cache to be archived?
Of course. And once it's archieved on geocaching.com, Groundspeak's guidelines no longer apply. If I want to leave the container in place for a few friends to find (or for whatever other reason), that's on me and none of your or Groundspeaks business anymore. After all, the cache is my property, right?
You think people shouldn'tt get credit for finding an archived cache, I get that. But I don't get why. Why does that bother you so much that you keep this thread going on and on even if most (all?) participants in here don't agree with you?
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On 15.1.2018 at 3:42 PM, -CJ- said:
Or "Wherefore do we need war?" but a bit more expressive.
Thank you, much appreciated.
Native English speakers don't need to worry much, because that's the fallback language almost everywhere.
In Europe it's not unusual if children learn up to three or four foreign languages in school. Nevertheless most of the logs are written in the language that the author knows best.
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On 11.1.2018 at 6:19 PM, Der Zappo said:
Ihr bekämpft was mit ner Wichtigkeit, die der Sache wenig angemessen erscheint. GS respektiere ich nichtmal als Gegner
Das rahme ich mir ein, zumindest virtuell.
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This is one example I remember:
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13 minutes ago, Bear and Ragged said:
Can be either a Multi or a Mystery.
Seconded.
If the posted coordinates take you to stage 1 and all information you need is in the listing, it's usually a Multi around here. If they are bogus and you have to do some homework before you know where to go, it's a Mysti. But I've also seen caches like that listed as Mystery and the reviewer was fine with that.
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18 hours ago, -CJ- said:
I liked your example
Make one small but important correction ("война", not "воина"), add a question mark to the end (it's actually a question) and tell me if you're satisfied with the translation.
Thanks, I think this is a little bit closer to what it actually means (war instead of warrior), but it's still... how do I put that without violating the forum guidelines... not a question and ends with "for us" according to google translate.
I think it should mean something like "Who needs the war?", right? And I thought Czech is hard.
Sorry if this is off topic, but I don't know any native speakers and am still curious..
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When I find a cache abroad, I'll log in English or the language of the country, if I'm capable to do so. Some people in my area always log in English, but they are in the minority.
Most people will log in the language they are used to speak, and if I ever come to Russia I'll not rely on Google tranlate, too. I learned that lesson when I tried to translate "На хрена нам воина" online.
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30 minutes ago, niraD said:
I think the problem is that something bothers the self-described "sticklers". Therefore, Something Must Be Done About It™
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I've tried Eneloop XX with 2500 mAh (I think) and had to toss them all away last year. They lose capacity much faster as the standard ones, so after a few days/weeks you're at 2000 mAh anyway. And they didn't last very long, it seems they degrade over time, not only because of recharge cycles. So I'm back to the old Eneloops.
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1 hour ago, justintim1999 said:
I agree with you on the geo-trash. As a matter of fact it's a big part of what I'm arguing here. Retrieving your cache after the party's over should be a significant point of emphasis. Allowing finds on caches that were suppose to have been removed undermines that.
To me the cross listing argument is bogus and just an excuse for not picking up after yourself.
The only real benefit to allowing finds on archived caches is to verify that the CO did indeed leave the cache to rot.
I really don't get your point. Obscuring the coordinates won't magically remove the geo-trash, it also makes it nearly impossible for anybody else to pick it up.
Locking the listing for finds after archival is also not a good idea, what if I found it before that but didn't have time to log it online? Team splits, children who found caches with their parents and created their own account, there are perfectly fine reasons to log archived caches as found - if you found them.
That said, I think the system as it is now doesn't need any tweaking. You can't search for archived caches unless you know the GC number. If there is a problem with bogus logs on an archived cache, HQ can lock it. I'm quite sure the proposed solutions to the problem I don't understand would cause more trouble than there is now.
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1 hour ago, SeattleWayne said:
Do tell.
I've wasted four years learning Italian with a horrible teacher, and the only phrase I remember is "Scusi, mi sa dire da quale binario parte il treno a Napoli?"
This sentence gets you everywhere.
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2 hours ago, SeattleWayne said:
A lot of countries really do appreciate it when tourists at least try.
The only country I've been to where this is not the case is France. Everywhere else they try to understand you, even if your pronounciation is really bad and you make a lot of grammar mistakes. We've got the "Kauderwelsch Sprachführer" (gibbersish language guide) for almost any language/country available in German here, maybe there's a similar concept in English, too.
In South America our driver started to laugh out loud as I was using it and ripped the book out of my hands, just to see what other phrases were translated there.
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4 hours ago, Manville Possum said:
But geocaching is and always has been a game played on a computer.
That's like arguing that hiking is a computer game because you look up the trail descriptions online. Yes, it is part of the adventure, but it's not what it's all about. Geocaching is not a game to me, I don't compete against others and I will never win. Nobody else will win that "game" and beat me, also.
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One of the main points that make Geocaching interesting for me is to get away from the computer and see what's out there.
Yes, you can attend an event virtually and log it as attended, as long as the host is fine with that. It's an utterly stupid thing to do, but well, so is geocaching. If somebody wants to make a computer game out of it, I'm out.
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A few days ago I found one of those and it was more fun than I expected. It was hidden at an underground car park, so I went looking for GZ on the surface before . Ok, there it is, just one story lower.
I thought I would easily remember where to go, but nope. Everything was different down there and I lost orientation very soon, so I went to the next car ramp where my GPSr had contact with the powers above again .Okay, 100m in 'that' direction, so I counted my steps and ended up right at the box. I still wonder how the hider managed to get precise coordinates.
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In my area caches like the one pictured in LoneR's post are usualy available to all members. If you have to put some work into getting to GZ, there's no need to exclude basic members. Gadget caches hidden in an urban area are most likely PMO and get far more FPs.
That's why favorite points are quite useless for me. If you feel the same way, please like this post and subscribe to... no wait, I messed up something there.
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8 hours ago, Pontiac_CZ said:
Rebore: your first note was a reasonable opportunity for using NM - the cache got enclosed inside a construction area and was no longer legally accessible.
I agree that NM would have been ok to log, too. But I haven't found that cache and was only assuming it is hidden on the structure because of the high T rating, so I chose to write a note first.
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58 minutes ago, baer2006 said:
Over 9 years and 43 owned caches, I have worked with many reviewers. And they are all great (ok, almost all ... but the exception has long since retired). Always friendly and professional, especially when I try to explore the remote corners of the guidelines
(the score, on which side of the boundary I ended up, is about 50-50). In fact I sometimes feel sorry for the reviewer, when they have to endure my questions .
You can't know where the limit is if you don't step across the border from time to time.
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Latest example, there was a cache hidden at a structure I pass by nearly every day. First there was a fenced-off construction zone and I decided to write a note, because GZ was not legally accessible, but the cache might still be in place. The owner responded promptly and disabled the listing. After a few days the whole structure was removed, so the cache is surely gone now. I wrote another note, knowing the owner will read it and after a few days another cacher reported that the structure was removed. Guess what, he also wrote a note.
No DNF, no NM, no NA. The owner knows what is going on, and so does everybody else. If he shouldn't react to that after a reasonable ammount of time, there will be a NA and the reviewer will take care of it. Untli then, the community can handle the situation without any algorithm or reviewer intervention.
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Archived caches
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Posted · Edited by Rebore
I'm not going to look for your exact criteria, but here's a screenshot of a map with OtherCachingSite only caches. I don't know how many of those were archived on geocaching.com.
ETA: In case you are wondering about the number, it's over 7000.