Rebore
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To all the comments mocking printing: visually impaired people exist, and some of them are geocachers. Although my Garmin 62st is able to save long cache descriptions and pictures, because of the small screen it's just a fall back for me. I wonder how many of the critics ride their bike instead of using the car when going on a hunt.
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I think it is best to contact GS and let them enforce their guidelines than for two geocachers to hash it out with rude emails to eachother.
If my neighbour is having a party and there is so much noise so that I can't sleep, I'll go over and ask them to turn the volume down. That usually works just fine and is not breeding bad blood. Calling the police immediatly because they are breaking the law does.
That really dosen't make much sense to me, comparing that to a geocacher on vacation logging a webcam.
What I was trying to say is that I would first try to resolve my issues with the person causing them before I involve authorities. Sorry if that was unclear.
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I think it is best to contact GS and let them enforce their guidelines than for two geocachers to hash it out with rude emails to eachother.
If my neighbour is having a party and there is so much noise so that I can't sleep, I'll go over and ask them to turn the volume down. That usually works just fine and is not breeding bad blood. Calling the police immediatly because they are breaking the law does.
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Second, generally coordinates or portions of coordinates are not provided at the reflectors. If they actually are, THEN I would consider it a multi-cache. If all they do is point one in the right direction and from there they move on to find another reflector, then no...it's a mystery cache.
I remember a night cache where only the first stages had posted coords. At every stage you had to follow a reflector trail, but there where no variables written on the reflectors, no containers to find and no other objetcts to gather information from. You had to look on your GPSr to see your track, which resembled a digit at every stage. It was published as a D4 multicache.
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The LBH caches that I've done have used accurate coordinates to specify the starting coordinates, and have then used clues to specify the route from there to the actual cache.
That's exactly my picture of LBH hides. Putting a stamp in whatever type of geocache and calling it a LBH seems strange to me.
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The only thing that makes a cache a LBH is the presence of a stamp. Many cachers are confused by the LBH designation and think it means how the cache is found. They are mistaken.
So it has nothing to do with letterboxing at all. Put identical micro stamps in every traditional on a powertrail and voila, they are all LBHs. That is pathetic in my opinion.
That's why it's a Letterbox Hybrid, not a Letterbox
LBH is Groundspeak's thing. It allows for instructional offsets w/o coordinates to find a container, but requires a stamp in the final (if not at posted) container.I'm well aware that this is a Groundspeak thing, I'm just disappointed that all it takes is the lowest common denominator. I thought clues w/o coordinates should be included and not only allowed, but apparently I was wrong.
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The only thing that makes a cache a LBH is the presence of a stamp. Many cachers are confused by the LBH designation and think it means how the cache is found. They are mistaken.
So it has nothing to do with letterboxing at all. Put identical micro stamps in every traditional on a powertrail and voila, they are all LBHs. That is pathetic in my opinion.
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Yes, it's a large container. Example from my area: GC2AQHQ
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Postal/zip codes ar not unique globally. 10007 for example is in NY/USA or Troyes/France or Berlin/Germany or...
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For the most part, the game is pretty simple, and the links that NYPaddleCacher put in post #14 tell you the essentials.
Details of etiquette aren't generally defined, and if you follow this forum, you will see they are often not agreed upon! Many of the threads have heated debates over personal preferences of etiquette, including when to log DNF, NM, NA. It will take time to see what the most common practices are in your area. Even then you may accidently annoy someone. Be polite and you'll get by.
My bolded - sounds like one cannot win and even suggests that we should be creeping about, very carefully trying to not annoy anyone. That doesn't sound like fun. Geocaching is supposed to be fun, isn't it?
I really don't get your point. The strangest things annoy people and being polite isn't taking out the fun of anything.
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Groundspeak needs to stop publishing power trails. They are giving caching a bad name.
As I've been saying since the first power trails started appearing, no good would come out of taking a low impact, low visibility activity and turning it into a high impact, high visibility one. And that's precisely what these PTs and most of the "geo art" have done.
I was pretty much a voice in the wilderness in the beginning. Glad to see that more and more people are starting see this nonsense for what it is, a threat to the long term viability of our game. We're already seeing the fallout from power caching in NJ with a new, draconian state parks policy and a total ban on some state lands.
If this is a poll, I'm casting my vote with you! Very well put.
When the "please don't place a cache every 600' just because you can" language was removed from the guidelines in 2009 I wrote here that it was the worst decision GS has ever made. I still stand by that statement.
I started caching in 2009 and that language was still in the guidelines, they must have removed it later. A quick search yielded this post, otherwise I agree with all of you.
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I was shocked to read this part of the log
We replaced approximately 300 missing containers until we ran out. Threatening signs are being put up.He writes that the neighbours are angry, removing caches and leaving angry notes (which includes expletives) but they throw down 300 containers to replace the caches removed by angry property owners. Wow! Gives power caching a bad name yet again.
Not only that, but of the 1,005 geo-art caches, they "found 1013 caches (a few extra that we passed along while finding the GCCO's.)"
That certainly gives the impression that, after they ran out of throwdowns, they also "found" the missing caches that they didn't replace.
Really? That's what bothers you?
I would say that the type of person who can convince themselves that hiding their own container is the precise equivalent of finding one that someone else hid because it fits with their unbridled lust for numbers, can probably convince themselves of anything that futhers that goal - including it being OK to repeatedly carpet-bomb an area where the locals are so unhappy about the presence of the caches that they'd leave notes with threats of violence in their place.
So yeah - it bothers me that people who play the game in an anything goes so long as I get my smileys way are out there, adding fuel to the fire.
I agree, but claiming a find without leaving a throwdown is not the real problem here in my opinion.
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I was shocked to read this part of the log
We replaced approximately 300 missing containers until we ran out. Threatening signs are being put up.He writes that the neighbours are angry, removing caches and leaving angry notes (which includes expletives) but they throw down 300 containers to replace the caches removed by angry property owners. Wow! Gives power caching a bad name yet again.
Not only that, but of the 1,005 geo-art caches, they "found 1013 caches (a few extra that we passed along while finding the GCCO's.)"
That certainly gives the impression that, after they ran out of throwdowns, they also "found" the missing caches that they didn't replace.
Really? That's what bothers you?
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Here is the link to the log that did it -- which has photos.
I was shocked to read this part of the log
We replaced approximately 300 missing containers until we ran out. Threatening signs are being put up.He writes that the neighbours are angry, removing caches and leaving angry notes (which includes expletives) but they throw down 300 containers to replace the caches removed by angry property owners. Wow! Gives power caching a bad name yet again.
This is madness. Are numbers really that important that it's worth to upset the neighbours further and let the following cachers enjoy the full experience?
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Thanks guys. I just didn't know. The name is sexually inappropriate in nature, so I plan on reporting it to Groundspeak.
If this is really about the "Dogs and Bitches" cache, you are overreacting. I didn't know it was the correct term for a female dog, but as a kayaker I do know the Bitches. I think it's a well chosen name. Would you like to have that name changed on the maps, too?
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Ah, I see. So, those that disagree with you are the ones you are calling childish names. Got it.
No. I have no problem with disagreement, I'm simply taking advantage of the opportunity to poke some fun at a few people. Many of the arguments against challenge caches are nothing more than selfish opinions. Sort of a playground 'I want it my way' approach. It comes off as quite childish.
Sorry, but it is my perception that your posts about this have come of as childish, and I have been seeing you as coming across as one of the "I want it my way" folks. If that isn't true, I'm sorry... but perhaps you aren't wording your thoughts carefully enough then 'cause calling your fellow cachers "Poopy Diaper People" doesn't come across as mature. Just sayin'...
It's more of a joke than anything else. If I cared enough to elaborate (once again), I would've left out the labels. I've discussed my opinions on this on other threads.
I haven't made an effort to discuss my opinions about the challenge cache issue on this thread.
Not sure how I'm coming off as 'my way only', perhaps you could cite specific examples? As far as my childish posts *on this thread*... true enough, but when in Rome...
... act as Roman!
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Maybe that's childish,too, but it's funny!
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The retracted "800/day challenge" in Austria was republished as "400/day".
According to a Reviewer note (posted not before the first NA) Groundspeak has approved the listing.
According to the owner 800 was considered as "too extreme" and GS requested that at least 10 Austrian cacher should already be eligible.
With the new threshold the number of currently qualified cacher (from Austria) increased from 2 to 18
Thank you very much for the update and the detailed information.
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When "how others cache" starts to affect cache owners who hide quality caches, then it's a problem that stops being a personal style of play. [/size]
If you don't have a regular "quality" cache that predated a desert power trail that later surrounded it then I don't see this as a realistic concern. Quality caches still seem to get respect.
I would not exactly call this a power trail.
It definitely is in my area. Cache density is multiple times higher than in the US, and if you consider topography, property issues etc. you'll realise that it's simply not possible to place an E.T. like trail in Austria.
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When "how others cache" starts to affect cache owners who hide quality caches, then it's a problem that stops being a personal style of play. [/size]
If you don't have a regular "quality" cache that predated a desert power trail that later surrounded it then I don't see this as a realistic concern. Quality caches still seem to get respect.
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[and one of the two Austrian cachers you mentioned is the reviewer who published it. Am I wrong?
Off topic: You are wrong - look at the find count of the reviewer for falsification. Regarding the rest project-gc.com might help.
Thanks, I'm glad to hear that and sorry for being off topic.
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Recently in my country a much debated "800 caches in a day" challenge has been published (only 2 Austrian cachers, one the cache owner, qualify - they have been in the US on the ET trail).
Let me guess, the cache is unpublished by now and one of the two Austrian cachers you mentioned is the reviewer who published it. Am I wrong?
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Or just don't log your finds online but keep track of them in your own offline database (GSAK or whatever).
I think that's the only meaningful solution. Creating a new account and keeping your logging habits the same is only security by obscurity.
Edit: You can still share your experience with the owner, just send a mail instead of logging online.
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A TFTC log for amn involved cache does not make me happy, but it does not ruin the cache for others. What happens frequently is however that the experience is ruined for the next cachers and that's where it really, really gets frustrating for me. I have to deal with my own disappoinment and with the disappointment of future finders who lost the chance to do the cache in the way they wanted to do it.
How does a TFTC log ruin the experience for the next cachers?
It doesn't.
Cezanne just said that it was.
No, she didn't. TFTC doesn't spoil anything, but logs from people who treat puzzles like traditional caches might do. Especially if they try to write more in their log than "TFTC", simply because they have no idea what the riddle was really about.
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A TFTC log for amn involved cache does not make me happy, but it does not ruin the cache for others. What happens frequently is however that the experience is ruined for the next cachers and that's where it really, really gets frustrating for me. I have to deal with my own disappoinment and with the disappointment of future finders who lost the chance to do the cache in the way they wanted to do it.
How does a TFTC log ruin the experience for the next cachers?
It doesn't.
LBH is Groundspeak's thing. It allows for instructional offsets w/o coordinates to find a container, but requires a stamp in the final (if not at posted) container.
Why are the GC codes so hard to read
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Despite of my age you may call me an old fart, but I still prefer using my GPSr and printouts. I don't like touchscreens at all. My phone is a Sonim XP3.