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To all the comments mocking printing: visually impaired people exist, and some of them are geocachers. Although my Garmin 62st is able to save long cache descriptions and pictures, because of the small screen it's just a fall back for me. I wonder how many of the critics ride their bike instead of using the car when going on a hunt.

If my neighbour is having a party and there is so much noise so that I can't sleep, I'll go over and ask them to turn the volume down. That usually works just fine and is not breeding bad blood. Calling the police immediatly because they are breaking the law does. That really dosen't make much sense to me, comparing that to a geocacher on vacation logging a webcam. What I was trying to say is that I would first try to resolve my issues with the person causing them before I involve authorities. Sorry if that was unclear.

If my neighbour is having a party and there is so much noise so that I can't sleep, I'll go over and ask them to turn the volume down. That usually works just fine and is not breeding bad blood. Calling the police immediatly because they are breaking the law does.

I remember a night cache where only the first stages had posted coords. At every stage you had to follow a reflector trail, but there where no variables written on the reflectors, no containers to find and no other objetcts to gather information from. You had to look on your GPSr to see your track, which resembled a digit at every stage. It was published as a D4 multicache.

That's exactly my picture of LBH hides. Putting a stamp in whatever type of geocache and calling it a LBH seems strange to me.

So it has nothing to do with letterboxing at all. Put identical micro stamps in every traditional on a powertrail and voila, they are all LBHs. That is pathetic in my opinion. That's why it's a Letterbox Hybrid, not a Letterbox LBH is Groundspeak's thing. It allows for instructional offsets w/o coordinates to find a container, but requires a stamp in the final (if not at posted) container. I'm well aware that this is a Groundspeak thing, I'm just disappointed that all it takes is the lowest common denominator. I thought clues w/o coordinates should be included and not only allowed, but apparently I was wrong.

So it has nothing to do with letterboxing at all. Put identical micro stamps in every traditional on a powertrail and voila, they are all LBHs. That is pathetic in my opinion.

Yes, it's a large container. Example from my area: GC2AQHQ

Postal/zip codes ar not unique globally. 10007 for example is in NY/USA or Troyes/France or Berlin/Germany or...

My bolded - sounds like one cannot win and even suggests that we should be creeping about, very carefully trying to not annoy anyone. That doesn't sound like fun. Geocaching is supposed to be fun, isn't it? I really don't get your point. The strangest things annoy people and being polite isn't taking out the fun of anything.

As I've been saying since the first power trails started appearing, no good would come out of taking a low impact, low visibility activity and turning it into a high impact, high visibility one. And that's precisely what these PTs and most of the "geo art" have done. I was pretty much a voice in the wilderness in the beginning. Glad to see that more and more people are starting see this nonsense for what it is, a threat to the long term viability of our game. We're already seeing the fallout from power caching in NJ with a new, draconian state parks policy and a total ban on some state lands. If this is a poll, I'm casting my vote with you! Very well put. When the "please don't place a cache every 600' just because you can" language was removed from the guidelines in 2009 I wrote here that it was the worst decision GS has ever made. I still stand by that statement. I started caching in 2009 and that language was still in the guidelines, they must have removed it later. A quick search yielded this post, otherwise I agree with all of you.

I was shocked to read this part of the log We replaced approximately 300 missing containers until we ran out. Threatening signs are being put up. He writes that the neighbours are angry, removing caches and leaving angry notes (which includes expletives) but they throw down 300 containers to replace the caches removed by angry property owners. Wow! Gives power caching a bad name yet again. Not only that, but of the 1,005 geo-art caches, they "found 1013 caches (a few extra that we passed along while finding the GCCO's.)" That certainly gives the impression that, after they ran out of throwdowns, they also "found" the missing caches that they didn't replace. Really? That's what bothers you? I would say that the type of person who can convince themselves that hiding their own container is the precise equivalent of finding one that someone else hid because it fits with their unbridled lust for numbers, can probably convince themselves of anything that futhers that goal - including it being OK to repeatedly carpet-bomb an area where the locals are so unhappy about the presence of the caches that they'd leave notes with threats of violence in their place. So yeah - it bothers me that people who play the game in an anything goes so long as I get my smileys way are out there, adding fuel to the fire. I agree, but claiming a find without leaving a throwdown is not the real problem here in my opinion.

I was shocked to read this part of the log We replaced approximately 300 missing containers until we ran out. Threatening signs are being put up. He writes that the neighbours are angry, removing caches and leaving angry notes (which includes expletives) but they throw down 300 containers to replace the caches removed by angry property owners. Wow! Gives power caching a bad name yet again. Not only that, but of the 1,005 geo-art caches, they "found 1013 caches (a few extra that we passed along while finding the GCCO's.)" That certainly gives the impression that, after they ran out of throwdowns, they also "found" the missing caches that they didn't replace. Really? That's what bothers you?

I was shocked to read this part of the log We replaced approximately 300 missing containers until we ran out. Threatening signs are being put up. He writes that the neighbours are angry, removing caches and leaving angry notes (which includes expletives) but they throw down 300 containers to replace the caches removed by angry property owners. Wow! Gives power caching a bad name yet again. This is madness. Are numbers really that important that it's worth to upset the neighbours further and let the following cachers enjoy the full experience?

If this is really about the "Dogs and Bitches" cache, you are overreacting. I didn't know it was the correct term for a female dog, but as a kayaker I do know the Bitches. I think it's a well chosen name. Would you like to have that name changed on the maps, too?

No. I have no problem with disagreement, I'm simply taking advantage of the opportunity to poke some fun at a few people. Many of the arguments against challenge caches are nothing more than selfish opinions. Sort of a playground 'I want it my way' approach. It comes off as quite childish. Sorry, but it is my perception that your posts about this have come of as childish, and I have been seeing you as coming across as one of the "I want it my way" folks. If that isn't true, I'm sorry... but perhaps you aren't wording your thoughts carefully enough then 'cause calling your fellow cachers "Poopy Diaper People" doesn't come across as mature. Just sayin'... It's more of a joke than anything else. If I cared enough to elaborate (once again), I would've left out the labels. I've discussed my opinions on this on other threads. I haven't made an effort to discuss my opinions about the challenge cache issue on this thread. Not sure how I'm coming off as 'my way only', perhaps you could cite specific examples? As far as my childish posts *on this thread*... true enough, but when in Rome... ... act as Roman! ? Maybe that's childish,too, but it's funny!

Thank you very much for the update and the detailed information.

If you don't have a regular "quality" cache that predated a desert power trail that later surrounded it then I don't see this as a realistic concern. Quality caches still seem to get respect. Example I would not exactly call this a power trail. It definitely is in my area. Cache density is multiple times higher than in the US, and if you consider topography, property issues etc. you'll realise that it's simply not possible to place an E.T. like trail in Austria.

If you don't have a regular "quality" cache that predated a desert power trail that later surrounded it then I don't see this as a realistic concern. Quality caches still seem to get respect. Example

Off topic: You are wrong - look at the find count of the reviewer for falsification. Regarding the rest project-gc.com might help. Thanks, I'm glad to hear that and sorry for being off topic.

Let me guess, the cache is unpublished by now and one of the two Austrian cachers you mentioned is the reviewer who published it. Am I wrong?

I think that's the only meaningful solution. Creating a new account and keeping your logging habits the same is only security by obscurity. Edit: You can still share your experience with the owner, just send a mail instead of logging online.

How does a TFTC log ruin the experience for the next cachers? It doesn't. Cezanne just said that it was. No, she didn't. TFTC doesn't spoil anything, but logs from people who treat puzzles like traditional caches might do. Especially if they try to write more in their log than "TFTC", simply because they have no idea what the riddle was really about.

How does a TFTC log ruin the experience for the next cachers? It doesn't.