Ron Streeter

Here you go bay area cachers... ...another hiking cache. Top O' The World Ma! Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

To clear things up a bit on my Picnic Time cache... A cacher who is a police officer looked for it and was accosted by a Sac Parks Ranger. The cacher explained the caching concept and showed a printout of Picnic Time. The ranger chewed out the cacher/officer. The cacher/officer revealed he/she was a police officer and the ranger was gracious enough to NOT give a citation. Frankly I think the citation giving is infrequent....maybe if they caught a person twice they might issue a citation, but public servants are usually nice and somewhat forgiving on something like walking twenty feet off a road. This ranger apparently was pretty jerky from the get go. Anyway, my Picnic Time is still there...THEY (sac park rangers) haven't found it *yet?* and they found the quart sized one at Day At The Beach. It was about 75 feet inside some woods from the beach border where fishing was allowed. This is a woods that any *normal* person would use for relieving ones self if nature called. Where are the rangers when you need a porta-potty ride! I am not concerned about the one cache going away, nor would I be if the other did too. I am more concerned about rule makers who don't think things through...again IMHO. I have pics of the two signs at the SAC area I am discussing. I'll try to find them and you can see for yourselves what you CAN'T do at this area. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

quote:Originally posted by JaimeeG:What was so wrong with a cache or two being removed out of concern for the well-being of animals who really did inhabit that area before humans?? Jaimee Hey Jaimee... I think the point I would make about park regulations and those who enforce them is this. The regulations need to be looked at. I'm sure there are regulations regarding the welfare of the fish in the American River too. Seasons for fishing, legal bait and hooks and so forth. I don't fish, but I have read of such things. The fact is that some of that fishing line gets away (accidentally) some of it is probably reeled off because of snags, and DISCARDED by fisher-persons with bad manners, etc, etc. I think some of the difference between the malevolent fisher-person, rafter who pees in the river, or a person who throws a beer can or bottle in the river, and all the other things that can and do go wrong is this: The geocacher PLANS to do something. Makes a point of leaving something (hopefully responsibly) and is more likely to be *CAUGHT* because the cacher is polite enough to leave a *RETURN ADDRESS* in the cache he has placed. Yes, Jaimee you are right that it is no big deal that one or two caches get pulled, but what I question is the rules themselves. I don't blame the people who enforce them, but the people who *make* the rules. At Pardee and many other wilderness areas, there are no dogs allowed on the trails. When I asked a *ranger* about this one of the things he mentioned was fecal matter which doesn't get cleaned up. Personally, I think this guy's boss didn't give a very good orientation session to this ranger as the next question out of my mouth was *do horse riders pick up their horse's crap?* He had no answer for that. Couple this with my point that on the Pardee trails there are no restrooms to speak of for human use. Just a quagmire of regulations, some of which are ...IN MY HUMBLE OPINION... not well thought out. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

The funny thing is.... at this mile long asphalt road which parallels I-5 and which even PROMOTES fishing along a 150 strip of *beach*, there are NO toilet facilities of any kind for the hikers...or especially fisher-persons...to use. I don't fish, so maybe the fishing people know there's no reason to fish there, but I still find it odd. Do the Sac Parks people expect people to hike in and out of there and HOLD IT until they can find a porta-potty? Seems strange to me. On a related note, the 9.5 mile hike to my Patti's Point cache has no toilet facilities once you are past the initial cache which is .40 miles from the parking lot. If you are a long-haul hiker, you better figure out what to do when nature calls. I guess a ranger driving a truck in the Pardee area just steps on the gas and gets to a porta potti! (yeah, right!) Also, one of the folks who found my two caches near Sacramento is a police officer who found the park ranger VERY discourteous even before the cacher/police officer revealed his/her identity to the ranger. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

quote:Originally posted by Green Achers:So I guess 74 caches in 24 hours is just not possible in the CVC area?!? To tell you the true, I can hardly believe someone can get two dozen caches in a day. But boy, would I like to give it a try. _Bill of Green Achers_ Hey Bill.... I saw this pic on a cache in Sac nearby one of the caches they couldn't find. The *missing* one had been taken by the Sac cache police. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

Whoa, the cache police make good on a threat! I got this email from geocaching.com explaining why my A Day At The Beach was archived! The email contents came from the sacparks people and include a mention of someone else's cache. ************** A Day at the Beach is GCED56. We Also removed Hanging Tree (GC587A) because the fishing ling used to hang it was a danger to flying wildlife. On the American River Parkway, you are not allowed to tie things to trees, rocks, logs, etc., nor are you allowed to dig holes, cut branches or trees or bushes. You are also not allowed to place anything in the Nature Areas. Please let your people know about the rules, or they will lose their caches. If anyone has any questions about what they can and can't do, they can call 916-875-6672 any day between 7:30AM and 8:30 PM for now. In May, The hours will change to 10:30PM. Also, for future reference, anyone caught in the Parks after closing, as well as not observing any of the other violations, can be cited. Thank you for your cooperation. **************** Two things are interesting here: one, those birds should look out for trees when they are flying around, let along a thin fishing line! two, I guess my Picnic Time is still safe...*THEY* can't find it...but two Sac cachers just did ! Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

Whoa, the cache police make good on a threat! I got this email from geocaching.com explaining why my A Day At The Beach was archived! The email contents came from the sacparks people and include a mention of someone else's cache. ************** A Day at the Beach is GCED56. We Also removed Hanging Tree (GC587A) because the fishing ling used to hang it was a danger to flying wildlife. On the American River Parkway, you are not allowed to tie things to trees, rocks, logs, etc., nor are you allowed to dig holes, cut branches or trees or bushes. You are also not allowed to place anything in the Nature Areas. Please let your people know about the rules, or they will lose their caches. If anyone has any questions about what they can and can't do, they can call 916-875-6672 any day between 7:30AM and 8:30 PM for now. In May, The hours will change to 10:30PM. Also, for future reference, anyone caught in the Parks after closing, as well as not observing any of the other violations, can be cited. Thank you for your cooperation. **************** Two things are interesting here: one, those birds should look out for trees when they are flying around, let along a thin fishing line! two, I guess my Picnic Time is still safe...*THEY* can't find it...but two Sac cachers just did ! Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

quote:Originally posted by Green Achers: Maybe I should go hunt a few of those caches to see three different signatures on each log before I open my big mouth. _Bill of Green Achers_ You could check out all 74, and I personally would give you at least 24 hours to do it....but they have to be 24 consecutive hours. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

quote:Originally posted by KimBeattie (Kimbo):http://www.guysnamedkim.com/geocache/geocache_history.html Just something I've been meaning to put together for sometime now. Finally found the time to do it. Enjoy. thanks Kim for including me in your geocaching history. I remember when we first met in Round Valley where you were looking for some of my caches, and the time I went for your first one Granite Beek. A lot has changed since then... Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

Let ME clarify. I had people do this and it didn't show up on the audit trail. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

After a bit of talking with the original approver (and one other approver) the archived cache in question in several posts above this has now been approved. Just goes to show if you make a case in a calm manner these folks are just like the rest of us if things are reasonable. 1878 Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

quote:Originally posted by Green Achers: Too bad the approvers can't trust us and they have no repore with the local top cachers. (eg. Being one of the top 15 cachers in the world doesn't mean we trust you!) _Bill of Green Achers_ Well, Bill, I don't know about no rapport. I have good rapport with a couple of the approvers and having been one myself (in simpler days) I know what they are up against. As far as being a *top* cacher goes, once again it's mostly a matter of time, gas money and the desire to find film containers. Otherwise, there is SOME feeling that a person with a few hundred finds MIGHT have a better idea of what's going on in cache placement than a person with 5 finds and 1 hide under his/her belt. But the *top* cachers make mistakes too. I think in my case, it was a matter of a person I think is fairly new at this acting perhaps a little hastily. I believe this person simply could have put the cache on hold (instead of archiving it) with a note that he had looked at it and it didn't quite make the grade. I have had approvers do that AND make suggestions about how it might succeed if small changes were made; that's helpful. As for any bay area approver(s) not wanting to be made public, I can sympathize with that too. It's a thankless job....except when someone says *thanks*....and that isn't often enough. So thanks to approvers one and all....(until NEXT time!) Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

After a bit of talking with the original approver (and one other approver) the archived cache in question in several posts above this has now been approved. Just goes to show if you make a case in a calm manner these folks are just like the rest of us if things are reasonable. 1878 Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

quote:Originally posted by virtually unstoppable: FWIW, when I attempt to access unapproved, archived caches, I end up at the HideSeek page. Thanks VU...with a profile that shows zero hides, zero finds and one forum post...you are definitely *unstoppable*....I suspect you have other attributes too! Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

OK...in regard to who can access an unapproved, archived cache. I asked two members and one non-member to try to look at two of my caches which were at that time not approved. One of them was archived. The non-member has not responded yet, but the two members have. Before they could look at the cache that was not approved yet, it got approved and they were able to access it. HOWEVER, when they looked at the cache that was not approved AND archived, they got the hide a cache screen and not the cache page. It seems to me that when I go looking at the *list* of cache numbers and I run into caches that are not approved yet that's the screen I get. I still think that the person who accessed my archived cache which was not approved IS an approver, but with all the variables in database operations, it is possible that somehow this person got through to the archived cache. I tend to believe though that the most logical explanation for an event is THE reason for the event...in this case that the person is an approver. I also got an email from a bay area cacher who said that he had had the experience that George had (see the CVC forum), so a little hard to tell if there is one reality or several. Any thoughts from anyone else? I can provide the unapproved, archived link if anyone wants to help conduct this experiment. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

OK...in regard to who can access an unapproved, archived cache. I asked two members and one non-member to try to look at two of my caches which were at that time not approved. One of them was archived. The non-member has not responded yet, but the two members have. Before they could look at the cache that was not approved yet, it got approved and they were able to access it. HOWEVER, when they looked at the cache that was not approved AND archived, they got the hide a cache screen and not the cache page. It seems to me that when I go looking at the *list* of cache numbers and I run into caches that are not approved yet that's the screen I get. I still think that the person who accessed my archived cache which was not approved IS an approver, but with all the variables in database operations, it is possible that somehow this person got through to the archived cache. I tend to believe though that the most logical explanation for an event is THE reason for the event...in this case that the person is an approver. I also got an email from a bay area cacher who said that he had had the experience that George had, so a little hard to tell if there is one reality or several. Any thoughts from anyone else? Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

I am conducting experiments now(with the help of several cachers) to see who might show up in an audit trail on a variety of caches. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

Interesting! Probably not unusual that a non-member would TRY to access a members only cache as there are so many ways to link to a cache, but interesting that the audit trail would be able to see that person TRYING to access. I'll go look up the person in question and see if they are a non-member. On the other hand, it is POSSIBLE that a cache approver would BE a non-member and still be an approver. Really need to see several non-members try to access a cache to see if they pop up on the list while still being unable to access. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

"outing" a bay area cacher....? No, it's not what you think. I have a cache pending approval. It was archived by an approver in the East. I think this fellow is pretty new at approving, but I could be wrong. Anyway, he wanted me to put the cache to a vote, but I suggested HE put it up on the special approvers private forum and run it past his fellow approvers. He did so, and so far about 6 of them have looked at it, but I have not been apprised of any change in its status. ALSO, since I made it members only, I can see the audit trail and guess what!? A well-known bay area cacher is on the list of people who have looked at this. As far as I know, only approvers can look at an archived cache, so I believe this person is an approver. I have no reason to "out" this person, but I find it a rather interesting piece of info, and I wonder if this person might want to contact me and let me know his thinking on this particular archived cache, and anything else he wishes to share. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost. [This message was edited by Ron Streeter on April 22, 2003 at 08:24 AM.]

"outing" a bay area cacher....? No, it's not what you think. I have a cache pending approval. It was archived by an approver in the East. I think this fellow is pretty new at approving, but I could be wrong. Anyway, he wanted me to put the cache to a vote, but I suggested HE put it up on the special approvers private forum and run it past his fellow approvers. He did so, and so far about 6 of them have looked at it, but I have not been apprised of any change in its status. ALSO, since I made it members only, I can see the audit trail and guess what!? A well-known bay area cacher is on the list of people who have looked at this. As far as I know, only approvers can look at an archived cache, so I believe this person is an approver. I have no reason to "out" this person, but I find it a rather interesting piece of info, and I wonder if this person might want to contact me and let me know his thinking on this particular archived cache, and anything else he wishes to share. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost. [This message was edited by Ron Streeter on April 22, 2003 at 08:23 AM.]

The world's #2 cachers make it to California ! Golden State Happy! Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

The world's #1 cachers make it to California ! Golden State Happy! Well, they had a little help. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

quote:Originally posted by georgeandmary:I wish there was a cache hidden like that in my area. I'm slowly gathering the equipment needed to hide caches like that. george And who pray tell (in our area George) will go for these? If they already had the equipment, wouldn't they have placed a cache for others to find? As for me, there are still over 1,500 caches within 100 miles of my home (and George's), which I have not yet found, none of which require ropes and pullies to get to. Now if a person HAD all this gear for its intended purpose and enjoyed it, that would be one thing, but I doubt there are that many cachers who are so equipped. Maybe some rock-climbers will become cachers? Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

quote:Originally posted by Camelot Crew: Wow! Did you see some of his caches? http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=28634 is something many of us could use. When I see these caches I am always in awe...Do I NOT have enough free time, Do I lack the energy to create such a cache, or am I just not smart enough. Probably all of the three . Thanks for sharing Ron. -- David Yep that's a tough one. Placed in July 2002 with two notes attached to it that month, and then finally a find. I guess if your goal is to exclude most people, this would be one way to do it, but that makes the people who do finish it even more *worthy*. Ron I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

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