Pantalaimon
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I thought the $30 a year I paid was for that, plus all the cheapskates who freeload on us paying members.
Just kidding I could care less how many penny pinching bogarts use the site we pay for. Yeah, because that's the only reason people aren't paying members.
Edit: I took out the word troll before I typed it.
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Sousaphone? Tuba's a whole bunch better.
"GPTuba" doesn't really have the same ring though.
Oh, and it doesn't make sense.
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Where are the moderators when you need them ……….. JOE
Careful what you wish for. Your off topic posters don't care if the thread gets locked down, whilst you (presumably) do.
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or more correctly (the way I like to write it) TP'sTB
That a common mistake.
See, TP'sTB stands for "Toilet Paper's Travel Bug."
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pardon my newbness, but what is "TPTB" ?
S'okay. Been there.
TPTB = The Powers That Be
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To cure the itch, and dry up the sores, wipe them with bleach, like clorox.
Bleach? Really?
Sounds painful.
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I used to be a Charter Member. I paid via PayPal (as I've never experienced a problem with them).
Then, one day, the credit card expired, but I never updated the PayPal account. So, the reoccuring payments ceased.
Suddenly, my Charter Membership was cancelled, because I didn't remedy the PayPal situation.
Here's the nugget you're probably looking for: There were several incidents in my geocaching/geocaching forum past which fostered a disenchantment on my part towards TPTB at geocaching.com, as such, the effort (as miniscule as it may be) that it would take to reactivate my premium membership, and the cost per month (as miminal to me as it may be) just didn't seem "worth it." Plus, one of the only effective voices of dissent a consumer really has is to stop being a paying customer. (That'll teach em.
)Anyway, I've been debating with myself constantly about re-signing ever since deactivation. This post by Jeremy:
http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=69624
Actually moved me closer towards reactivation. (Think I can still recover my Charter Member status??
) It seems to show a small glimpse into TPTB appreciation of members.As a side note, I don't use pocket queries, and I can do without the OT forum, so paying, for me, is not a question of perks, its a question of support.
As someone who, if I remember correctly, trumpets the position of "pay up or shut up" (or something like that), I'm interested in 1) why you're asking the question; 2) what you think about the answers; and 3) what your favorite television show is.
Maybe not so much #3.
Pan
Edit: Maybe I shouldn't say with such certainty that I was a Charter Member. I remember paying sometime towards the beginning... but I'm not sure I breached the Charter Member window. - P
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There's a monster outside my window. Can I have a glass of water?
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I put the 'no offence intended' in there because I truly meant (and mean) it. There was no ulterior motive. I was mearly pointing out the obvious, as you acknowledged as a truism.
As far as it being useful? That is up to others to decide.
Fair enough.
(Although I'm still confused.)
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wow you guys really hate Letterboxing
you cant generalize (sp?) Letterboxers as all geo haters same for Geos, I'am a LBer and I like Geo too. why can't we all get along? Uh.... what?
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My post was directed at the person you were responding to also.
Sorry for the confusion, but it seemed clear to me.
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Brilliant idea.
Yeah, you might want to rethink that plan.
A better plan might be to create a letterbox with your own personal stamp. A huge one that says GEOCACHING RULES!!!
Then, as I understand it, if the letterboxer wants to claim a "find" they have to stamp GEOCACHING RULES!!! in their "personal log book."
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Okay, first of all, with the last two previous posts we seem to be regressing into a debate about "upsetness" at taking things away. Seems relevant, but for the record, I didn't intend this to be a discussion about the recent map correction because (as the points been made) non-members were never supposed to have access in the first place.
The question I asked was what is/should/will always be "free" on this site.
But I know better than to try to gently moderate my own thread, so ... as you were.
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Try to think of the reverse, if a letterboxer decided to put a letterbox in with your cache spot without asking you first...you'd be pissed off!
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I'm not sure this is true. I don't detect an anti-letterboxing sentiment among geocachers. In fact, there is a type of cache dedicated in a cross breed geocache/letterbox hybrid.
So, I imagine most geocachers may very well welcome a sharing of a spot.
Edit: That is, of course, before Briansnat posted some of those comments above.
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One of the cool things about those old maps are that, in a glance, you can see the new caches in your area, or the closest new caches to your area.
Thanks for the direction, mtn-man.
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The OP was, in my opinion, asking for a promise from Jeremy, but even that promise isn't enforceable.
I'm not looking for a "promise" per se, but just some clarification of intent, as explained above.
Certainly a promise isn't enforceable in any legal manner, but an explanation could hopefully give one an idea of the future intent of TPTB at geocaching.com, and perhaps provides a moral standard to which to be held.
And, I'm relaxing, I'm enjoying.
But I'm curious too.
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So what is the fuss here? If you are a paid member then you are getting more for your money. - - If you are not a paid member then you have not lost anything that you were not supposed to get in the first place.
Everything you said seems to be true. As I see it, this is a conversation about potential future issues.
No fuss. Just conversation.
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more of the now-free features
what features would that be exactly?
What features are now free?
Well, I'm sure there is an argument that no aspect of geocaching is free due to SOME expense that's involved in the activity (e.g. cost of computer, GPSr, gas, etc.), but generally, the features that I define as free features of geocaching.com include the ability to put in a zip code, or coordinates, and get a complete list of all (non-member) caches listed in some sort of reasonable order (closest to furthest, for example). Also, the ability to access the individual web page for each cache, to read the details, see the logs, and decrypt the hints. The ability (as Keystone pointed out) to see a map (any map will do) with all the caches laid out across the state.
These are all features that, in the future, could easily be locked for paying members only.
What if the only thing a non-paying member could get access to was a list of geocaches, by state, with the name of the cache, the hider, and the coordinates. That's it. Its still allows for some level of geocaching, but its certainly not a level that geocachers are generally used to. Would this still be a resonable interpretation of the sentiment that "geocaching will always be free."
Some people seem to take offense to this topic, and for that (i.e. any offense you individually perceive) I apologize.
This is not an attack, or a rabble-rousing. It's just a conversation.
We're just talking here. No need to get any feathers ruffled.
If you don't like the topic, its okay not to answer. Really, it is.
If you have something to add, I'd love to hear it.
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I would think, and no offence intended, that it will always be free to choose not to use this particular site at all.
I in turn intend no offense with my response, but of what use is that reply?
It's a truism that its free not to use a web site. You say "no offence," but then seem to make the ole' "get lost" implication.
I would appreciate clarification, if you're willing to provide the same.
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I suggest that the forums are not part of the game. They are a bonus, and not included in the price of a free membership. The ability to hide caches, and find caches to seek is the game. Historically, personal stats must be included.
I would agree.
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Sometimes, saying nothing is the best response …………….. JOE
I would agree. With you. On this point.
Thus I extend to you (not an "attack" or an "insult") an invitation: Please feel free to heed your own advice.
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Pan,
The old maps did allow scrolling. They're still available, with that functionality. Here's the old map for Massachusetts. Scroll away!
Keystone,
Thank you for that link, I did not know that was still available!
Just kidding I could care less how many penny pinching bogarts use the site we pay for. 
) It seems to show a small glimpse into TPTB appreciation of members.
you cant generalize (sp?) Letterboxers as all geo haters same for Geos, I'am a LBer and I like Geo too. why can't we all get along? 
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Was that a threat?