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  1. 2 hours ago, mustakorppi said:
    3 hours ago, niraD said:

    But if Groundspeak starts making the difficulty-terrain rating "stick" to the log entry, what else? Do they make the attributes "stick" because there are challenges based on attributes? Do they make the cache size "stick" because there are challenges based on cache sizes?

    Well yeah, why not do exactly this for everything that the rules allow to be challenge criteria? How does me keeping track of something like this help when a CO runs a challenge checker and sees I don't fulfill a challenge because a cache changed after I logged a find?

     

    I'd mentioned loooooong ago in various discussions about how if the listings kept a sort of change log for basic cache properties, then logs could easily refer to stats of its log date by looking up its state as of a certain date. No need to 'copy' an entire listing with each log (as mentioned, why just D/T? What about all the other properties used for challenges/statistics?) in order retain stats "as of" the log date.

    Nonetheless, an additional changelog for listings worldwide would still be a massive undertaking, and likely only to address the relatively slim chance of a property being changed and messing up a few people's potential challenge qualifications.  The work required to implement any sort of 'fix' for altered listing properties for the sake of profile statistics is almost certainly just not worth it.

     

    A way of olde was that COs might keep track of oft-used qualifier caches that have since changed, and allow people to still use it if they found said cache before the change. I've seen notes on occasional old challenges, usually DT related, saying certain specific caches were okay to use before a certain date though now they wouldn't qualify because of the DT change.

    That wouldn't be possible in today's automated environment (by guidelines or by checker).

  2. 10 minutes ago, niraD said:
    1 hour ago, thebruce0 said:

    The problem is determining where that threshold lies, requiring a new listing :P

    If only cache listings had an owner, who was assigned the responsibility for deciding such things.

     

    Oh for sure, but that's not enough to make discussion threads like this moot. There will always be people who interpret major/minor differently, who think COs should not change DTs (or by extension any cache property) because it messes up people's stats, and people who think that COs should be able to modify their listing as they see fit for listing accuracy regardless of what changes - and people in between.

  3. 1 hour ago, baer2006 said:

    However, I would still rate a D/T change of 0.5 points a "minor edit".

     

    Correct, it doesn't say an owner cannot ever alter the listing, let alone a specific DT, in order to keep it accurate to the geocache. And when it comes to a fizzy, it doesn't matter if it's a difference of 0.5 or 4.5, it changes the qualification. So when it comes to "minor edits", that has to be allowable, which means it overrides the "but I no longer qualify" concern from finders.  Whether HQ disallows "major" edits is a different issue, and what constitutes a "major" edit. I think the spirit of the guideline is if the geocache update is sufficiently different, then a new listing should be created. But minor changes to the experience shouldn't require a new listing.

    The problem is determining where that threshold lies, requiring a new listing :P

  4. You could use google image search and look for large-sized geocaching graphics. Keep in mind usage rights (linked above). If you can't find something high enough resolution you could try to recreate them accurately, vector helps immensely. 

  5. 36 minutes ago, arisoft said:

    The app verifies that I have the correct answer, but it can not register the answer as a found without data connection.

    Gotcha. I thought they didn't do that so as to avoid couch caching / hacking for answers. (if the app has the answers then one could in theory 'attain' the answers illegitimately) The data check then is an arbitrary block on the ..sequentiality(?) of the AL.
    Anyway, point being, you can't move on to the next Location in sequence (and have the app 'remember' that you were there) without having verified the correct answer of the previous location, which requires data. But an open AL you can visit each location and gather the information, then verify correct answers when you have data.

  6. On 10/16/2021 at 4:57 PM, arisoft said:

    Correct answer without data told me that it is possible only with data connection. It is important to note that I got my answer validated without data.

    Maybe you could reword that? Not quite sure what happened.

    You entered the correct answer, but it said you can only submit an answer with data connection? But you got your answer validated with a data connection? By validated do you mean "that's the correct answer"? Or just that you were able to enter an answer? (then told it can't be validated as correct without data?)

  7. 9 hours ago, HHL said:
    20 hours ago, thebruce0 said:

    the gps doesn't require mobile data.

    Right, but the app does to show the question.

     

    I thought it was to answer the question, as the AL is downloaded to the phone. When it's not sequential, without data the app can still register having visited each location, then when you have data you can answer the questions. When it's sequential the 'next' locations haven't been 'unlocked' yet because answers, in order, can't be verified without data.

     

    My understanding was that the question is essentially offline, so yes, if you are able to visit a location, you will be able to see the question when in the zone. But without data, you can't answer it (and for sequential, in order to 'unlock' the next location in the sequence).  Is that not how it works?

     

     

    * open Adventure: Each location is already 'unlocked' (able to be visited and triggered as visited)

    * sequential Adventure: Only the first comes 'unlocked' and able to be visited

    Once a location is triggered as visited, the answer can be entered and sent - this of course requires data for verification as correct and complete

    * sequential Adventure: Each completed location 'unlocks' the next location in series

    Thus the barrier here is only for sequential Adventures - it requires data in order to move on to the next location. Open ALs (to my knowledge) can be done entirely offline (assuming the AL has been viewed and loaded into the app locally) because each location can be visited (and the answers made note of) and then ALL supplied once data is available to the device. Not so with sequential because the locked locations in series haven't yet been triggered as visited.

     

  8. 1 hour ago, Max and 99 said:

    The AL told me the next location, and we went right back there, walked around it several times, and still no cell service. So I never got the question.

    That doesn't seem to make sense... If you're viewing the app, and the specific location you're targeting, just waiting for the "Answer" button to pop up, I thought regardless of sequential or open the AL would register being near gz - the gps doesn't require mobile data.

     

    The sequential not working is more about not being able to submit an answer to even GET the next location to become available. But if it is available and you're in its zone, mobile data shouldn't be an issue... that's odd. 

    Unless they've changed something with the app, which seems counter intuitive to require data at that point. Let alone not remember that you were in the zone, which was the whole point of that feature

  9. 3 hours ago, Max and 99 said:

    I was frustrated today about an adventure lab I was really looking forward to completing as I learned about some historical places in an area I've never been to. No signal on either one of our phones, in a very rural area, although it did let us get close enough to stage one to see what the question was.

     

    Um, I thought if you at least open the AL with data signal, you have the whole Adventure locally, so as long as you visit the locations, you can see the questions and get the answers - while you can't submit and complete them if there is no data signal, once you return to wifi or data you'd be able to submit the answers despite not being at the Locations, since the app knows you were there previously.  Have you tried submitting the answers now? Assuming you triggered any of the location questions by gps while you were there.

     

  10. On 10/13/2021 at 9:44 AM, SeekTheCache said:

    Using the ancient IE

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    Even that I find hard to believe is the intended appearance... I don't think I've ever seen a multi-select field look and work like that one would! :ph34r:

     

    I think though the first platforms to test new UI development would be mobile device browsers, as hq seems to tend to cater first to mobile devices, then desktop browsers... but clearly more testing needs to be done across all those browsers before release. =/

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  11. 9 hours ago, Hynz said:

    So If you want a worldwide search you need to have two PQs.

    In one you should select countries and in the list click-select the first country, scroll down and shift-click-select the last country

    I think the USA is the only country not included in the above PQ so you need another PQ selecting all (or at least all US) states.

    Canada as well. Possibly more now as the prov/state list is enormous (no idea when that was last updated as I'm sure it only had US/Canada items before)...

    So yeah, one PQ selecting all countries, then one PQ selecting all provinces and states, which are presumably not covered in the Countries list.

  12. 4 minutes ago, barefootjeff said:
    1 hour ago, thebruce0 said:

    "Adventure Lab" isn't really an official name for anything [now], it's just in between the two and shorter and easier to say, so it gets confused a lot.

     

    So maybe the Help Centre needs a bit of editing

     

    See followup post just above.

  13. True. And Adventure Lab is a registered trademark. Even more reason it's confusing. You search for adventures. You run adventure lab app. You earn smileys as adventure lab caches. "Adventures HQTV" in the lab app shows their video with tips for creating an engaging geocaching adventure lab.

    So...

    I'm inclined to consider the trademark in reference to the app, the ALC in reference to locations/smileys, and the Adventure in reference to each grouped collection of locations; with other uses of "AL" or Adventure Lab used casually to refer to... whatever the person saying it is referring to in context.

    It's messy.

  14. Oh I don't know or really care where the terms were first used, just that right now the terms are mixed up all over the place in the community. Better to understand their official use, and like you said it helps explain the decision.  "Adventure Lab" isn't really an official name for anything [now], it's just in between the two and shorter and easier to say, so it gets confused a lot.

  15. 5 hours ago, barefootjeff said:

    HQ have been fairly consistent in using the term "Adventure Lab Cache" to mean one stage of an "Adventure Lab", both in how ALs contribute to find statistics and in all the promotions that have awarded points for them.

    Just a point of clarification, I think they refer to "Adventure Lab Cache" (or just Lab Cache per the GC stats) and "Adventure" as the grouping of locations (as in the app searching for Adventures). I think the terms just get conflated all over the community, like referring an AL as the complete adventure. 

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  16. On 10/9/2021 at 4:04 PM, barefootjeff said:
    On 10/9/2021 at 10:49 AM, thebruce0 said:

    I foresee sorting by Helpful to be more used and useful than sorting by Great Story.  As long as it's still chronological, then using that sort would give you logs that someone potentially noticed provide tips or guidance the CO didn't in their listing. And yes, it relies on someone else giving that vote, but everyone knows that nature of those votes, so it can have some amount of value. And of course to others, zero.  I think seeing the option to sort by these categories as harmful to the game is crying the sky is falling. meh. 

     

    I haven't yet come across a cache with multiple upvoted logs, but my assumption is that sorting by Helpful or Great Story would order them by the number of upvotes, so the most upvoted log would be at the top regardless of any chronological order.

     

    Chronological as secondary. The most recent helpful or great story would be first. The oldest non-voted log would be last.

    Point being: Older 'helpful' logs may no longer b e relevant, so selecting to sort by helpful should keep chronological sorting [after sorting by helpful].

  17. I foresee sorting by Helpful to be more used and useful than sorting by Great Story.  As long as it's still chronological, then using that sort would give you logs that someone potentially noticed provide tips or guidance the CO didn't in their listing. And yes, it relies on someone else giving that vote, but everyone knows that nature of those votes, so it can have some amount of value. And of course to others, zero.  I think seeing the option to sort by these categories as harmful to the game is crying the sky is falling. meh. 

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  18. 16 hours ago, 2quigs said:

    I liked when you could just click on the map and everything would be there by default.  No need to filter.  But now to get everything to show on the map you have to filter what items you want to show on the map.  Seems backward to me.  

    As per the comment right above yours, you can use the browse map - that has not gone away. And there's a big button at the top of the map to take you there. No filters, just basic toggles.

     

    And if you want to go there first (as often I do) just bookmark the map. Keep a folder of bookmarks in your browser for all the pages you use most on geocaching.com. Much easier than navigating the menu system.

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