StealthRT

Nice link, Zork V. dlgps, this may have been what you were looking at - http://geocachingsoftware.com/coinlog.html

As long as you are not taking the coin away from its mission, I think you can even move it today if you like. Just because it landed in your cache should not mean it is bad form for you to move a trackable. If it is my trackable and you move it along, you have my thanks regardless of whether you grabbed it out of your own cache or not.

If you haven’t found anyone yet, I’d be up for a swap. Your coin would be launched in the central USA if that would work for you.

If where you are going can help the traveler toward its mission, grab away. If the traveler has no mission, grab away. If you are taking the traveler away from its mission, let that one sit for someone else.

Every time someone grabs a TB or coin you could be hosed, but I wouldn’t bury this one yet. Two months is nothing in the life of a traveler.

Nice design. These should make for some nice give-aways this year.

Very enticing.

Well now I'm blushing. Thank you.

In a nutshell (there is much more that could be said on this), for a long time, those with collections of coins that were in a binder at the house would create unpublished caches (StealthRT’s Coin Bank) to log those coins into so they were not sitting in the active inventory list. During some updates to the website last year, Groundspeak added the ability to set a preference on your coin so that you could mark the coin collectable. The benefit is that you can have the coin active, it will show on your public profile, but it won’t clutter your active inventory. If you are a major geocoin collector, this is an essential option now that your active inventory shows at the bottom of the logging screen. Some folks would have to scroll for eons to get to the submit button every time they logged.a cache. Finding other people’s coins to drop in caches as they logged would also be much more cumbersome. They easily avoid those annoyances now by moving coins they own into the collectable status. That said, many veterans still have their collectables in their unpublished virtual coin cache. They avoided the issue for years that way and continue to go that route. I think they continue to do so generally because it is what they have done, it works, and it would take considerable effort to pull 200 coins out and then edit them into collectable status. So, if your coin is in the wild, it is not a collectable. Set no. If you want your coin on your active inventory because you are dipping it regularly, then keep it in your inventory. Set no. If it is going nowhere but an occasional event because you are collecting it and you want it off your active inventory, it is a collectable. Set yes. See you on the trail sometime this year, Silfron Mandotheneset.

I don’t recall any discussion. No idea what they look like, but if I track one down, I’ll post a picture. I doubt they are that extravagant.

As long as you set up the EC with the same detail and diligence you would at home, you should be in good shape. It will get published and you will be able to adopt it. Not everyone agrees it should be this way, but that is the way it is. Good luck with your effort.

I had not, but it does appear to be down. For the moment at least.

Do you mean the name of the EC or the description in the cache listing?

Generally speaking, the guidelines have been interpreted as you need to seek permission before attempting to publish an EC if it is on public land in the US. Marge and I recently stopped by the Ranger Headquarters in one of the National Forests in North Carolina to seek permission for an EC. We we told and shown a bulletin that states, "Permission is not required for virtual and earthcaches within National Forests in North Carolina". We requested a copy of the bulletin, but the Ranger office did not have a copy machine. I guess this is an example of, ""local country laws and customs" where here permission is not needed! We will test this interpretation soon with the submission of an EC in a National Forest in North Carolina! Actually, in order to "place" an EC, all you need is some accurate coordinates and photos. I'd love to hear how that goes. I hope well.

For those of you who are outside the Kansas City Metro, but are interested in the Chiefs, or football in general, check out GC2DK41, Arrowhead Insider. The event gives you the opportunity to take a guided tour of the newly renovated ($400 million plus) Arrowhead Stadium. If you are interested please RSVP per the instructions on the page ASAP. For more details on the event please refer to the cache listing. In addition to this event, there will be an afterglow event the same evening. The afterglow event is casual. You can check out this event listing by visiting GC2E25V, Arrowhead Afterglow. http://coord.info/GC2DK41 http://coord.info/GC2E25V Apologies in advance to my friends on the northern edge of the Great Plains Forum for the extra email in their inbox.

For those of you who are outside the Kansas City Metro, but are interested in the Chiefs, or football in general, check out GC2DK41, Arrowhead Insider. The event gives you the opportunity to take a guided tour of the newly renovated ($400 million plus) Arrowhead Stadium. If you are interested please RSVP per the instructions on the page ASAP. For more details on the event please refer to the cache listing. In addition to this event, there will be an afterglow event the same evening. The afterglow event is casual. You can check out this event listing by visiting GC2E25V, Arrowhead Afterglow. http://coord.info/GC2DK41 http://coord.info/GC2E25V Apologies in advance to my friends on the other edge of the Midwest Forum for the extra email in their inbox.

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I made Mingo and the German Cave today. Awesome view there and a fun find and one I'd recommend to anyone. I lost my transmission on the way back to the Interstate - but that was just another adventure.... I'm glad you enjoyed it... and sorry your transmission did not. There are worse areas to break down, but there sure are a lot better.

That is a great cache. There has been another one recently added at that "exit".

One cache you should take a look at is The German Cave by Rapid. GCM8CN It's a 3.5/5 that is just north of Russell (a bit before you get to Hays) off of I-70.

Where are you coming from to get to Mingo? From Joplin and from Des Moines have different options.

You have two choices: 1) put the TB's on your watchlist so you can see when they are released, or 2) put the cache on your ignore list. Or you can contact a reviewer and try to get it archived, but why would you want to be a jerk? Why be a jerk? Really? Anyone who knows me will tell you I’m not into cachers becoming keystone geo cops. I really don’t care that much about your cache. It’s your contribution. Thanks for adding to the pool. I’m also all for challenging caches. I appreciate a challenge. I even have one out there myself that I know some have looked at and just turned away from. It’s been found plenty of times and is far from impossible. It’s just not everyone’s cup of tea. One type of cache that is not my cup of tea are scuba caches. I don’t dislike them necessarily. I just don’t do them. I should say I really can’t do them. Too challenging for my life skill level. I have a friend that loves them. She is certified scuba. I am only certified treadwater. I don’t complain that such caches are beyond me, though. I appreciate challenging caches and even appreciate caches that I will never have the ability to find. I’m also all for your right to plant and publish a type of cache that I personally hate to do. I could tell you about specific types of cache hides that I loathe, but I do not begrudge you if you happen to plant one or ten of them. The fact is, very few actually know the types of caches I don’t like. Maybe four people and only two of them are cachers. I generally just don’t talk about it, because I respect all caches regardless of the personal enjoyment that I may or may not receive from them. I respect your right to enjoy those caches that I do not enjoy. I even respect LPCs and your right to plant them and find them. So I’m not into telling other cachers how to do their planting, I like a challenging cache, and I don’t even tend to gripe about my personal cache peeves. But a cache that literally CANNOT be found? Seriously? You really think that a cache that has been planted that absolutely CANNOT be found IS and SHOULD BE viable? I submit that by definition a published cache must be able to be found or it is not a cache. A cache that cannot be found is something else. It is litter. I don’t have many “lines” that cannot be crossed. Publishing an unfindable cache in geocaching is a line that simply cannot be crossed. Do NOT publish a cache that CANNOT be found. Especially one that is going to take hundreds of dollars and days of work and energy to NOT find. So multiple geocachers in an effort to find this unfindable cache have each spent into the three figures, EACH, in the pursuit of the cache before figuring out it was bogus. Gas and canoe rentals are not cheap these days. Each of these cachers were willing to make the fiscal investment… but of course, based on the reasonable assumption that a published cache, offered enough skill and energy, might actually be found. I don’t even want to get into the whole time away from family issue. Many of us make those sacrifices. But of course, again, based on the reasonable assumption that a published cache, offered enough skill and energy might actually be found. Beyond all the time, energy, money, and time away from family that has been wasted on an unfindable cache, the “rules” on this cache keep getting added and changed at the whim of the cache owner. So from week-to-week and month-to-month nobody knows what they are really even allowed to do to make an effort to find the cache. Updates are made to the rules of the cache on the page without note postings to notify cachers. So hopefully you reread the rules with regularity or you might violate one without being aware of it and have to be quarantined for some time. In fact, I just brought up the cache page today and found that it had changed AGAIN. New requirements and new rules. Go figure. Surprise, surprise. The mighty morphing unfindable cache. But The Ravens might be a jerk if he reports a cache that is UNFINDABLE? No. I do NOT accept that. The folks who planted the unfindable cache are saints and the guy who ponders an unfindable cache to be an oxymoron is the moron? I think someone has their wires crossed on this issue. I state again, by definition a cache plant MUST be findable or it is not a cache. Just putting a box in the woods, noting the coordinates, and reporting a new puzzle does not a cache make. The puzzle has to be solvable by somebody somewhere someway. I’m not even saying I object to a steady stream of bugs being released as different stages are found. I’m not saying I’m not willing to consider just about the most outlandish cache concept you can field. I am in fact willing to embrace it. But the day you cozy up to my table with a cup of coffee in hand and say, “Stealth, I think I’m going to plant a puzzle cache that cannot be found, in spite of common sense and clear placement guidelines,” is the day that I beg you to come back to your sanity. Look, don’t tell me what to do with my caches, don’t report my caches, don’t post bogus garbage on my caches, and if you don’t like my plants, don’t do them. But, the day I put out a cache that I know good and well is NOT findable in any shape manner or form, feel free to not only report my cache for retraction, but also feel free to invade my home in the middle of the night and give me a blanket party (à la Full Metal Jacket for a reference if you need one), because that is what I deserve. With all this said, let me also clarify three additional points. 1.) Though I think it’s possible this listing might be appropriate to retract, I have also not reported it. 2.) The Ravens may or may not be a jerk, but he certainly isn’t one for having a problem with this listing, nor is he one if he decides to make a petition for retraction, considering the circumstances and his intimate knowledge of the situation. 3.) Though I wholeheartedly disagree with the publishing of this listing, I am in no way asserting anything about the character of the listing owners. This posting was written in haste so please be forgiving of simple grammatical, spelling, and punctuation errors. Please see my sig line. You're one stroke of the caps-lock key away... GeoGeeBee, hilarious. I really did laugh out loud. I had a decent smile on my face this morning but now it is world class. Thank you. But, your sig line is sort of the point. Geocaching is supposed to be fun. Assuming you bothered to read the 1,001 word posting, I’m sure you would agree that there is a reason the guidelines require a cache to be findable. Such a listing sucks the fun out of the game for even the most casual, fun, and good spirited of us. And, by the way, people forget that the forums are not geocaching. They are the forums. Connected with geocaching, but not geocaching. I don’t really check out the forums for fun. I just use it to keep me in the loop on a variety of geocaching related topics. Agreed that geocaching is fun. Forums are more like required work for me so that my fun might be enhanced a bit. Regardless of whether I’m in the forums or on the trail, even the possibility of a top notch guy like The Ravens being linked to an adjective like jerk over his sincere and well thought out musings regarding this cache… well, it’s going to get my ire up just a bit. I assure you my post wasn’t frantic nor was it meant to be rantish (though it may in the end have been). It was meant to bring up some decent points and maybe shed some light on the situation for anyone who is following the thread. If anyone was getting the idea that The Ravens was out of line, I suggest it is due to lack of knowledge on the situation. I thought I would offer some perspective and to do so thoroughly takes some words. About a thousand of them, apparently. And if I did somehow fall into ranting territory in defense of a geocacher who has more fun with the sport than most I know, then call the post, or me, what you will. I’m sincerely surprised that after your hilarious comment you didn’t hit another paragraph and just give me a, “couple good points there, sir.” I’ll just assume that you did see where I was coming from and just left out that line. Or maybe you decided not to wade into such a long post considering with your sig line, I could see that being a policy of yours. Maybe the thought is if the post is over 500 words it must be a negative rant, and reading negative rants isn’t fun, so let’s not bother diving in. Either way, fair enough. I really wasn’t writing to get you to see my point of view. I was just stating what I thought should be stated regarding the issue. It’s posted for anyone who wants to bother to read it. Thanks for the laugh.

Great observation.

You have two choices: 1) put the TB's on your watchlist so you can see when they are released, or 2) put the cache on your ignore list. Or you can contact a reviewer and try to get it archived, but why would you want to be a jerk? Why be a jerk? Really? Anyone who knows me will tell you I’m not into cachers becoming keystone geo cops. I really don’t care that much about your cache. It’s your contribution. Thanks for adding to the pool. I’m also all for challenging caches. I appreciate a challenge. I even have one out there myself that I know some have looked at and just turned away from. It’s been found plenty of times and is far from impossible. It’s just not everyone’s cup of tea. One type of cache that is not my cup of tea are scuba caches. I don’t dislike them necessarily. I just don’t do them. I should say I really can’t do them. Too challenging for my life skill level. I have a friend that loves them. She is certified scuba. I am only certified treadwater. I don’t complain that such caches are beyond me, though. I appreciate challenging caches and even appreciate caches that I will never have the ability to find. I’m also all for your right to plant and publish a type of cache that I personally hate to do. I could tell you about specific types of cache hides that I loathe, but I do not begrudge you if you happen to plant one or ten of them. The fact is, very few actually know the types of caches I don’t like. Maybe four people and only two of them are cachers. I generally just don’t talk about it, because I respect all caches regardless of the personal enjoyment that I may or may not receive from them. I respect your right to enjoy those caches that I do not enjoy. I even respect LPCs and your right to plant them and find them. So I’m not into telling other cachers how to do their planting, I like a challenging cache, and I don’t even tend to gripe about my personal cache peeves. But a cache that literally CANNOT be found? Seriously? You really think that a cache that has been planted that absolutely CANNOT be found IS and SHOULD BE viable? I submit that by definition a published cache must be able to be found or it is not a cache. A cache that cannot be found is something else. It is litter. I don’t have many “lines” that cannot be crossed. Publishing an unfindable cache in geocaching is a line that simply cannot be crossed. Do NOT publish a cache that CANNOT be found. Especially one that is going to take hundreds of dollars and days of work and energy to NOT find. So multiple geocachers in an effort to find this unfindable cache have each spent into the three figures, EACH, in the pursuit of the cache before figuring out it was bogus. Gas and canoe rentals are not cheap these days. Each of these cachers were willing to make the fiscal investment… but of course, based on the reasonable assumption that a published cache, offered enough skill and energy, might actually be found. I don’t even want to get into the whole time away from family issue. Many of us make those sacrifices. But of course, again, based on the reasonable assumption that a published cache, offered enough skill and energy might actually be found. Beyond all the time, energy, money, and time away from family that has been wasted on an unfindable cache, the “rules” on this cache keep getting added and changed at the whim of the cache owner. So from week-to-week and month-to-month nobody knows what they are really even allowed to do to make an effort to find the cache. Updates are made to the rules of the cache on the page without note postings to notify cachers. So hopefully you reread the rules with regularity or you might violate one without being aware of it and have to be quarantined for some time. In fact, I just brought up the cache page today and found that it had changed AGAIN. New requirements and new rules. Go figure. Surprise, surprise. The mighty morphing unfindable cache. But The Ravens might be a jerk if he reports a cache that is UNFINDABLE? No. I do NOT accept that. The folks who planted the unfindable cache are saints and the guy who ponders an unfindable cache to be an oxymoron is the moron? I think someone has their wires crossed on this issue. I state again, by definition a cache plant MUST be findable or it is not a cache. Just putting a box in the woods, noting the coordinates, and reporting a new puzzle does not a cache make. The puzzle has to be solvable by somebody somewhere someway. I’m not even saying I object to a steady stream of bugs being released as different stages are found. I’m not saying I’m not willing to consider just about the most outlandish cache concept you can field. I am in fact willing to embrace it. But the day you cozy up to my table with a cup of coffee in hand and say, “Stealth, I think I’m going to plant a puzzle cache that cannot be found, in spite of common sense and clear placement guidelines,” is the day that I beg you to come back to your sanity. Look, don’t tell me what to do with my caches, don’t report my caches, don’t post bogus garbage on my caches, and if you don’t like my plants, don’t do them. But, the day I put out a cache that I know good and well is NOT findable in any shape manner or form, feel free to not only report my cache for retraction, but also feel free to invade my home in the middle of the night and give me a blanket party (à la Full Metal Jacket for a reference if you need one), because that is what I deserve. With all this said, let me also clarify three additional points. 1.) Though I think it’s possible this listing might be appropriate to retract, I have also not reported it. 2.) The Ravens may or may not be a jerk, but he certainly isn’t one for having a problem with this listing, nor is he one if he decides to make a petition for retraction, considering the circumstances and his intimate knowledge of the situation. 3.) Though I wholeheartedly disagree with the publishing of this listing, I am in no way asserting anything about the character of the listing owners. This posting was written in haste so please be forgiving of simple grammatical, spelling, and punctuation errors.

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