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    Restricted Caches

    in General geocaching topics

    Posted

    The OP asked if it was ok to restrict who finds a cache. I say that, unless you are prepared to enforce whatever rules you decide on to restrict who finds the cache, it is totally pointless to add restrictions. If I decide that no one wearing a green shirt is allowed to find my cache, I'd better stand by the cache day and night with a stun gun or the restriction has no meaning.

     

    The overall point is that a group of people can sit around a table and make a bunch of rules but the key to it all is in the enforcement. I am not advocating anyone breaking rules. I do not plan to break any rules. But there are people out there who will not hesitate to break rules. Then, what you gonna do, huh? You steppin? Huh? You wanna try somptin? Huh? I'd like to see you try.

    Restricted Caches

    in General geocaching topics

    Posted

    This whole "delay 10+ FTFers" sounds a lot like "let your little brother win too". Sorry, but what exactly is the point in that?

     

    Never let anyone, child, adult, disabled or not, win. No matter what the game. It is extremely disrespectfull, because if you feel the need to let someone win, it is because you assume that this person is mentally or physically incapable of winning that game without your help. Meaning, you think that person is too young, stupid or ill to beat the others. If you want to give someone a chance to win, play an appropriate game.

     

    Geocaching is a game that gives very little room to enforce rules to begin with. And its community has long passed the size where anonymity becomes a factor in how easy people cross the line from bending to breaking rules. This thread shows already (proposal to use sock puppet for example), as soon as a restricting rule is added, someone has an idea how to circumvent it. The logical conclusion is, the less rules, the better.

     

    Jan

    I agree with your last paragraph but you're being a little harsh with the never let anyone win philosophy. If I'm playing peek-a-boo with a two year old, I'm not scarring them for life if I let them win. Generally, I play to win but there are some reasonable exceptions.

    Geocoins Versus Travel Bugs

    in Trackables

    Posted · Edited by Joypa

    I have a suggestion for TPTB. Seems like this Travel Bug forum is composed of 95% discussions about geocoins. Why not give it its own Forum? Leave the poor old TB Forum to people interested in TB's.

    Restricted Caches

    in General geocaching topics

    Posted

    Re: The dog cache. This is nuts. What is to prevent the ethically challenged from claiming they had a dog with them? You can always get a photo of the neighbor's dog. My point is- the rule is unenforceable.

    Did you follow the link to that cache? Go read it. The owner wants a picture of your dog with the cache in the picture, among other things.

     

    Yeah, it could be photoshopped, but if someone wants to claim one stinkin' cache badly enough to go to all that trouble just to cheat, let 'em! It's a game, for crying out loud!!!

    I'm trying to find the area where you and I disagree on this point. Lets see....You can falsify a photo. You can falsely claim the find. You can violate the owner's rules for claiming a find. The rule can't be enforced.

     

    Nope. Don't see it.

    Restricted Caches

    in General geocaching topics

    Posted

    Re: The dog cache. This is nuts. What is to prevent the ethically challenged from claiming they had a dog with them? You can always get a photo of the neighbor's dog. My point is- the rule is unenforceable.

    Well heck, most 'rules' of caching are hard to enforce. I think that most things like this are meant to be self-policing. If you're gonna cheat, you're gonna cheat (but who are you really cheating anyways?)

     

    Its just like the people who log a find on a cache that they never visited. Without checking the paper log, is there anyway of enforcing that rule?

    Well, that's exactly my point. No sense getting worked up about some cacher making rules for his cache. He can't enforce them.

    Restricted Caches

    in General geocaching topics

    Posted

    Re: The dog cache. This is nuts. What is to prevent the ethically challenged from claiming they had a dog with them? You can always get a photo of the neighbor's dog. My point is- the rule is unenforceable.

    The photo was to be of the dog WITH the cache container. Pretty hard to do unless you were actually there. (Well, I guess you could Photoshop it but.......)

    Yeah, doesn't take much to edit a photo.

    Restricted Caches

    in General geocaching topics

    Posted

    Well, obviously the motive is to give 'beginners' a chance for an FTF before the more rabid FTF-hounds jumped in. Consider it like a 'novice class' in autocross racing, or rally, designed to encourage beginners to compete for some small 'trophy.'

     

    I guess I don't know why it would be bad to encourage new folks to try a FTF if they have a shot at it. If you are a cynical old geocacher, feel free to call it a 'fake FTF' but I can assure you that when you are a beginner, every little 'trophy' counts.

     

    The way I see it, it's sort of like the TB hotels that 'restrict' people from taking more TBs than they drop. If you don't like the restriction, either ignore it & move a TB on its way anyway (thus possibly doing the TB owner a nice favor), or just dont give your business to those particular hotels.

     

    <shrug> Seems to me like life's too short to get all bent out of shape over stuff like this.

    I don't know why it's "obvious" what the cache owner's motive is. It could be what you say but there might be some other reason.

    Travel Bug Part Deux

    in Trackables

    Posted

    Yes, I see the problem created if two bugs with the same tag are out there. I'd just have to be pretty sure the person who has my TB is gone for good. Looks like others have done this so I'll probably give it a try at some point....say 6 months.

    Restricted Caches

    in General geocaching topics

    Posted

    This question is actually more interesting than it initially appears. Once the cache is posted, anybody can look for it and sign the log so the restriction does not look like it can be enforced. Ah, but then the owner can delete a log, claiming it does not comply with his requirements...and the find goes away. Hmmm....Good way to make enemies. Wonder what the motive is?

    What's The Point?

    in General geocaching topics

    Posted

    I bet it takes ALOT less time to log a TB in and out of a cache than it does to research someone who you dont know, try to track them down, and THEN complain about them.

     

    Why worry about it? Is it actually influencing stats negatively? Is it ruining the *GAME* for you?

    No, it's not ruining the game. It's interesting.

    Travel Bug Part Deux

    in Trackables

    Posted

    I have a question for the board. I have a TB that has been in a cachers hands for 3 1/2 months. They do not respond to my emails and have shown no activity in quite awhile. I know....boo hooo. :P My idea is to give it up for lost and replace it. I have the duplicate tag and can match the previous TB description. I could "grab" the bug back and make the duplicate and place it in a cache. The original only went 32 miles so I would not be grossly distorting the mileage. What do you think?

     

    I am assuming that the cacher that had the bug has gone inactive. Obviously, if they rediscover the hobby, I have two of the same bug out there and that would be a problem. :blink:

     

    Opinions please. Guidelines and rules also.

    Indiana Spirit Quest

    in Midwest

    Posted

    I was thinking about putting a regular micro in there, but if somone wants to do the research and put in an ISQ cache in there then let me know and I'll give you the co-ords.

    If you think Greenwood cemeteries need ISQ's, then why don't YOU do the research, take the photos and hide the cache? :o Then WE could go and find it!! :D It would up your find-to-hide ratio from 28 - 0 ..... :rolleyes: We don't need the coordinates. We KNOW the coordinates!! :lol::D:D

    Hmmm....Not nice.

    Stock In Smilies Plumets

    in General geocaching topics

    Posted

    I like keeping track of my numbers but I realize they are only of interest to me. Every cachers sets their own rules about what they will log. Because each cacher has a different set of rules (and for a number of other reasons) they do not mean anything relative to one another. What matters is whether or not you are respected within the community and whether or not you respect yourself. Amen.

    Common Courtesy

    in General geocaching topics

    Posted

    You can do what you want, but I'd be very careful about deleting someone's log because you think they didn't pick up trash. I don't see how you could conclusively link the two and, even if you did, deleting someones log is pretty rude and should be limited to situations where obvious clues about the cache are given or the language is abusive.

    Let's Calmly Discuss When........................

    in General geocaching topics

    Posted

    I'm happy with my approver---never had a problem. Because of this, I can not relate to Snoogans' issue personally. Here is where I think you draw the line: If the approver is following guidelines and not posting hostile or sarcastic comments, he/she is vindicated. In this case, I do not see where the approver overstepped the bounds. I do understand Snoogans' frustration with not being able to get the approval, but he was not following guidelines and now admits he was in error. Seems like he's over it and we can all move on with our lives now.

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