garyo1954
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You can't blame people for not following the rules.
Once competition entered the picture, and people saw others cheat using the technical wording of the rules, they had no reason to continue to follow the rules. Take baseball, if one team is stealing signals, you can bet the other teams is playing the same game.
The fun is gone when anything becomes a competition. That's especially true when those who made it a competition warped the rules to achieve their standing.
There are still purist, just like their are purists in baseball, or any sport.
Unfortunately, you can't have the rules written for competition apply to those who choose to do caching for fun. That leads to exactly what you have now.
People who don't follow the rules because they are in it for fun vs people who want the rules applied stringently due to the competitive turn of the game.
There always seems to be that minority who ruins anything for everyone else. For example, a new person joins our laser group and immediately proclaims he just bought the best laser on the market. Yet, he's never run a laser.Someone points out 90% of us have the same machine and his is no better. Now the guy is completely falling out of his tree because he has the new improved electronics, and some fluff add-ons that he'll never need anyway. Then an old timer tells him its not the machine, but what he can do with the machine that counts. And suddenly this new guy who has never used a laser in his life goes ballistic and none of know anything.
Its all the same. Someone claims a certain program is better than another. Or someone comes in betting they cut at a faster speed, higher power, or thicker material than anyone else. Or they can laser material not intended to be lasered. And then he's told this is not a competition, you think he's David Banner and just transformed into the Hulk and is even now destroying his own neighborhood.
I admit if geocaching were an Olympic event I would see it differently. But its not.
Still there will be people who want to make it so, enforcing rules that do not apply to the situation, or the conditions, or the idea with which others took up the endeavor. And that mindset eventually turns people off and turns others away, and may even keep those thinking about it to hit the off switch.Owners want people to log caches, but want them to follow the rules they laid out when designing the cache. Well that will never happen.
Then they wonder why more people don't visit their cache.
I honestly get the impression there are owners who hide a cache thinking/hoping it will never be found. And when it is, they immediately question the legitimacy of the find based on the rules.
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56 minutes ago, fizzymagic said:
It is indeed an impossible feat. That one cache every 15.5 seconds for 24 hours. Assuming the caches were placed 0.1 miles apart, that is an average speed of 23.2 mph, ignoring the finding, opening, and signing of the caches. The number was either from incorrect logging or some kind of team effort.
I am happy when I see this kind of claim made; it illustrates how absurd the concept of competition over geocaching statistics is.
Its under his statistics on his profile page. 9-9-15.
From reading threads 2005-2007 it seems the "unofficial" record was 260 to 270 back then. From the threads people would spend months finding a area with concentration, and planning the most efficient route, before the attempt. -
Yeah, some of these people I'd like to sit down with and ask, "How did you do that?"
For example over at Project-GC I checked on the Top Caches in One Day. (I surmised it might be several hundred accounting for distance, finding, signing, replacing).
I was surprised! 1000 caches in a day will barely land you on page 55 in the US.
You need 2159 to move into the top ten.
3196 will put you in second place.
But if you want to be #1 you'll have to find 5579! (hans415 currently stands at #1 with 5578)
In my uneducated mind, that seems an impossible feat even in a 24 hour period.
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24 minutes ago, cerberus1 said:
If they accompanied you, isn't your group a team for that day? Any other caches nearby? Let them find one along the way maybe, if they feel awkward logging, thinking they aren't contributing to the cache intended. Heck, a member of a team can simply offer fellowship. A sandwich or a picnic at that "cabin overlooking" and they're participating.
I think most here have been on "group" finds, after events mostly. A dozen people or more, with one who just has to be the first (but only of that group...) to find it. Most times we've noted the time we were there (do on all anyway) and what group we were caching with. I don't know one person who'd stay behind, simply because they had to find or sign that cache on their own when in a group.
Is being the first of the group always that important?
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I agree thebruce0. Courtesy and understanding from both sides would go a long way to resolving some of these issues.
I suppose if you sent 100 people after the same cache, you'd find more ways than you perceived to locate it.
Anyway, I'm getting ready to go out for bit as soon as I finish my coffee. I'll try to keep all the rocks out my shoes and hopefully not drop any that would end up in anyone else's. -
These are the type questions that make me wonder if geocaching is for me. As far as I can tell, I'm the non-conformist geocacher. I want it to be fun. I'm not worried about my stats or your stats. I may sign a log; I may not. I'll leave swag and not take anything. My actions depend on the situation. But I understand the general rule.
Somebody hides something; someone goes looking for it.
Now when the rules become so technical they sound like the NFL catch rule, its time to rethink. People are going to be people. They aren't always going to apply the rules as you would. In some cases a group of four don't see the point signing and replacing a cache only to have the next member of their team retrieve it, sign it, and replace it, and so forth.....
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The only independent study I've seen was done based on census numbers....(best I can tell those were in 2010). They also mention an online survey but received 20 response which would be too few to make any credible inference.
".....looking at the number of logs per zone paints an entirely different picture. First, the population density result from the low and high cache zones was reversed. While high cache zones have lower population density, high log zones have higher population density than low log zones (778 people/sq.km vs. 485people/sq.km).
This means people in higher density areas are logging more searches. Many other demographic attributes were significant as well...
•Age: high log zones have significantly younger geocachers (37.9 vs 39.9 years old on average)
•Climate: high log zones were significantly warmer (averaging about 3 degrees Farenheit warmer than the measurements for low log zones) and had less precipitation (an average of 41.6mm less per year)
•Area: high log zones were significantly smaller than lowlog zones (171 sq. km vs. 306 sq. km), indicating more urbanness in high log zones.
•Education: the education score was significantly higher in high log zones (2.14 vs. 2.08)
•Income: median income was higher in high log zones vs. low long zones (about $6,170 higher)
We also found statistically significant differences in married and unmarried populations. Low log zones have 45.6% married vs. 54.4% unmarried while high
log zones have a slightly different 44.4% married vs. 55.6% unmarried population. However, we consider these differences practically insignificant and exclude them from our analysis.•Crime: crime was significantly higher overall in the personal and property crime subcategories in high log zones vs. low log zones. This is likely an indication that high log zones tended to be more urban.
The analysis of these zones reveals that while lower population density areas tend to have more caches, higher population density areas tend to have more logs per cache. Furthermore, while no demographic features significantly impacted the number of caches in a zone, nearly all of our demographic features showed significant differences based on the number of logs. Despite a very democratic placement of caches, those with the most activity tended to be in zones that were wealthier, better educated, younger, more urban, and had better weather."
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16 minutes ago, Nessie42 said:
Slightly off topic indeed, and do I want to know how you know?
Yes, that cache tops the list of my found "Caches with most favourite points" on Project-GC, but is not on my personal favourite list, even though I did enjoy it.
No sneaking around. I found your comment interesting and had to know where they are from. Nothing mysterious.
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13 hours ago, ErikaNaz09 said:
Hello everyone- I am brand spanking new to this. I'm somewhat familiar with geocashing and I guess I'll figure it out as I go. I'm looking forward to going out with my 13 year old son to find some small treasures. Hopefully I can figure this adventure out! Any tips?
Have fun! That's the best tip I got.......
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11 hours ago, K13 said:
The Trifecta Day in Tatum is only a few mile from that cache. You will have a GREAT day if you attend those events. Plan for an entire day of activity. I have missed the last 4 years due to a Scouting activity on that weekend, but will be able to attend/participate again this year. We would LOVE IT if you can make it this year.
Doing my best to be there!
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58 minutes ago, Nessie42 said:
Or they just quietly read the forums for years as lurkers, like me.
I'll get a little off topic and ask you Nessie42...
Have you ever foundGC13Y2Y
likely the most favorited cache in the world?
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15 minutes ago, Nessie42 said:
Or they just quietly read the forums for years as lurkers, like me.
LOL.....good deal! And that's very likely true in a lot of cases.
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1 hour ago, niraD said:
I don't really consider that "for caching". That's part of the "10 Essentials" for camping/hiking/backpacking. Or part of the stuff that's always in my car. Or the "other supplies/equipment appropriate for the trip".
Its all good. The whole thread offers great ideas for people (me) just starting.
I expect the answers to be different for different people, different areas, and different situations.
I suspect there is no true answer but any answer offers some insight for people who are just starting out.I ask as something pops in my head as I'm piddling.
One thing that bothers me is not seeing (a lot of) new people asking questions.
That makes me to suppose that most sign up on a basic membership, locate caches in their area and go looking.
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36 minutes ago, Keystone said:
This is the "Getting Started" forum. Let's not mislead new geocachers who might be under the common mistaken impression that Community Volunteer Reviewers actually check out the cache location prior to publication. Save the inside jokes for the Geocaching Topics forum or keep them to yourself.
Back to our regularly scheduled discussion, I see that the OP's cache has already been published and found! Thanks to Isonzo Karst for her helpful advice.
Thank you for clearing that up. This had me wondering who the reviewer was in my area.
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Yeah, there was a time when carrying a knife wouldn't raise an eyebrow, but you never know what people are thinking, who you're going to offend, or how they are going to perceive your intent.
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On 3/13/2018 at 0:34 AM, K13 said:
I see 15 caches having at least 10 FP within a 30 mile radius. I only have 4 of them. There are 54 if you make it a 45 mile radius.I have 10 of those.
Then there's this one... GC3T7W8 Just a Micro in a Cemetery It's a little further away, but worth the drive, I think.
You can also look for upcoming events.
That does sound quite interesting. About a couple of hour drive from here.
4th Annual East Texas get together is 4/22 in Tatum. That's about midway. I'll shoot for that. -
Now we're talking!
First aid kit was my top of the list.
Writing things and notebooks.
Didn't think of Duct tape but that goes in.
Spare batteries as well.
Matches/firestarter
Telescopic grabber with magnetic tip
Tweezers and grabbers
Hand sanitizer.....never thought of that.
Flashlight always come in handy.
Knife? or hatchet?
I did print out a listing of the PQ and maps of the areas, but then I wondered if it wouldn't be better to download maps to a tablet and use that instead? I won't be using a phone. Not only do I hate phones, I'm useless with one. My son and daughter-in-law finally convinced me to get a smart phones last year and right now I'd have a hard time making a call on it.
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19 minutes ago, Manville Possum said:
Boots and a 60 inch hiking staff for poking and prodding, but I cache in snake country.
Definitely thinking of getting a hiking stick. Just up the road a woman killed a couple of copperheads a week or so ago. I can see where going where few travel could make a stick a good investment.
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13 minutes ago, Viajero Perdido said:
Pen & notebook. (So I can take notes to write a meaningful log.)
That's all.You did say bare necessities. That's my base kit.
If it's an actual hike, I'd add a pack with clothing and stuff.
You got me there. I did say bare....guess that was leaving things a bit lean.
Maybe I should have said what do you take that is most useful?
For example one blog I was reading the guy took a single chopstick for poking and prodding. -
Bought a back pack today for caching. So what goes in it?
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37 minutes ago, K13 said:
AMAZING handiwork there! Is the laser engraving done in-house by you?
Thank you K13.
Yes sir all done right here at home. I have a CNC router and a laser.
The router was supposed to be a father son project back in 2012, but the son acquired a girlfriend which was more interesting than a computer operated router.
Added the laser last year when son married girlfriend.-
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27 minutes ago, Doc_musketeers said:
Lol. We wish. Our area recently had a string of great new caches published. Our team had a couple published and argued that our caches were helping the locals earn some more favorite points for the next set of exceptional caches.
I wasn’t sure if you somehow knew our town well enough to judge it accurately. For some of the local “urban” caches the phrase “Eureka!” Is used thusly: “I couldn’t find the nano but Eureka! I pricked my finger on a discarded syringe ...”
No, Doc, never been to Eureka. Just listening to what you were saying.
The only syringes (I think it was all one) I found metal detecting a ball field.
The rest is mostly rusty nails, screws, occasionally a can.
Coins are generally the deteriorating zinc penny. Took half a coffee can of those to the bank and was told I needed to send them to the mint. It would cost more to send them then they are worth! -
23 minutes ago, Manville Possum said:
Sounds like you have a wonderful community for basic members.
I'd say we have more rock hunters than cache hunters. And the rock hunters have their own facebook page which is more than the cachers have. I ended up finding geocaching while posting treasure boxes and asking if those would be okay. They are, but I was also referred to a geocacher in the area who got me started.
As it is I'm free to post on the rock page. I don't mind trying both. I can always get coordinates or a picture, post on the rock page and have the rockers get them. Doing that, only once has a box gone unfound for two days. -
17 minutes ago, Doc_musketeers said:
This thread seems to have split into two discussions: Trackables in regard to the oversight GS demands, and the original point about PMO caches. I guess my posts attempted to address both subjects and now I’ve confused myself because I have no idea what your first response means, lol.
As for your second point: as we’ve admitted, we aren’t sold on the benefits of PMO caches in all situations. But we can’t subscrube to the idea that a CO’s decision to make a Cache PMO is somehow “selfish” or “elitist.”
Promoting the main company that makes our game possible (whether you think there should be competing services or not) inherently promotes our game, which is player-created and player-maintained, doesn’t strike me as a bad thing.
most traveling cachers tend to be serious enough to be paying members. Our team is “fresh” enough that we have energy to help out newbie cachers and don’t mind dealing with non-members. Our cache listings tend to be very interactive for that reason.
We’ve even had a member of a local rock-hiding group find one of our caches and assume the entire cache should be moved to a new location just like painted rocks are re-hidden in a different spot... So we totally understand and support COs who want to both promote the game and limit the number of potential “misunderstandings” that come with non-“committed” newbie cachers.
My first response was an acknowledgement that everyone jumps (Eureka!) when someone looks for your caches.
Yes, that cache tops the list of my found "Caches with most favourite points" on Project-GC, but is not on my personal favourite list, even though I did enjoy it.
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I'm a bit surprised. Not finding near as many people out looking as there caches.
Mostly it depends on your area.
Here we have a total of 122 caches in the county. Most were planted between 2003 and 2010. Others between 2013 and 2014. I only know of one planted in 2017. Those visited most often average a visit every 15 to 30 days. Those least visited average 4 to six months.
Of the total, 22 have been visited at least once in the last 7 days. (that's going to be a bit skewed since there was a meet and people were traveling through).
18 have not been found in more than a year, with five of the top 6 nearing two years and the top cache nearing three.