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boundsgoer

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  1. Go ahead and keep it. I have one sitting in my office.
  2. JJ0124 1941 was the last time. Oops, I never filed a mark recovery! I will do so now. It won't show up on the NGS database for a couple of weeks.
  3. Yes, anyone without prior approval can be fined. I have been told by a person working with a railroad that the Railroad Police are, in effect, Federal Marshal s and can escort you to jail.
  4. Yes, anyone without prior approval can be fined. I have been told by a person working with a railroad that the Railroad Police are, in effect, Federal Marshal s and can escort you to jail.
  5. I was not trying to set up an Us vs. Them situation. I certainly appreciate Geocachers (I consider myself one). I survey within a 4 state area, and it is nice to be able to see if the NGS control points have been recently recovered, or searched for and not found. It saves me time to keep from looking for a point that is probably not there. Being in private practice, time is money. And since time is money, give us surveyors a break. Prior to the Internet, it was more time consuming to file reports on these monuments. We in private practice usually did not have the resources to file said reports, since we would have to charge the client. Try explaining to them! Like I said before, with the Internet, it takes only a matter of minutes. As far as determining if a marker is destroyed, I am still hesitant to report it as destroyed, unless there is irrefutable evidence. And it is not to save myself future embarrassment, since I do not mind being proved wrong, it is to keep a marker from being written off by someone more skilled at locating them. I recall a particular marker that had very good ties to the south rail the a track and to a milepost to within a tenth of a foot. Not there. BUT, I know that over time railroads can shift the track and mileposts get knocked out and the Trackmaster just clocks down the track with his truck odometer to reset it. So just maybe that point is still there. Who knows. I just reported it as not found. I certainly do not want to upset anyone. I try to review my posts to make sure they not too abrasive. I do not intend it. Thank you for your patience, Mark Johannes COlO. PLS
  6. I think filing a Mark Recovery Entry with NGS would be a better way to help guide people searching a mark. There is a place to enter a concise description of how to reach the mark. A person would take on too much liability setting signs on private property. If one were able to obtain such permission, fine, but just try getting permission from the Railroad! Signs also have a way of disappearing, too. A Mark Recovery Entry would be more permanent. I asked Deb Brown at NGS about getting some of thier Carsonite Marker posts to set at marks I have found. She responded that it would be too much liability to have private surveyors do that.
  7. I think filing a Mark Recovery Entry with NGS would be a better way to help guide people searching a mark. There is a place to enter a concise description of how to reach the mark. A person would take on too much liability setting signs on private property. If one were able to obtain such permission, fine, but just try getting permission from the Railroad! Signs also have a way of disappearing, too. A Mark Recovery Entry would be more permanent. I asked Deb Brown at NGS about getting some of thier Carsonite Marker posts to set at marks I have found. She responded that it would be too much liability to have private surveyors do that.
  8. There usually only one azimuth mark set for a Tri Station, therefore what you are calling Azimuth Stations are probably Reference Marks. The Azimuth Mark generally would be several thousand feet away. Reference Marks reference the actual Tri Station. It is the Tri Station itself you would be filing a recovery note on. One has to be very careful about reporting a mark as missing/destroyed. I recovered a benchmark that was buried about 2 1/2 feet deep. I carefully probed the area and hit the concrete around the mark and dug it out. Even if I had not recovered it, I would not have reported it missing, unless it was obvious that a highway, building, etc. had been built there. The NGS does not have the funds to maintain current marks, they have to rely on local surveyors, highway departments, etc. to help out. Replacing a mark is a very expensive process.
  9. There usually only one azimuth mark set for a Tri Station, therefore what you are calling Azimuth Stations are probably Reference Marks. The Azimuth Mark generally would be several thousand feet away. Reference Marks reference the actual Tri Station. It is the Tri Station itself you would be filing a recovery note on. One has to be very careful about reporting a mark as missing/destroyed. I recovered a benchmark that was buried about 2 1/2 feet deep. I carefully probed the area and hit the concrete around the mark and dug it out. Even if I had not recovered it, I would not have reported it missing, unless it was obvious that a highway, building, etc. had been built there. The NGS does not have the funds to maintain current marks, they have to rely on local surveyors, highway departments, etc. to help out. Replacing a mark is a very expensive process.
  10. Surveyors use the NGS database on a regular basis. It is very handy for obtaining control in whatever area I am surveying in. I cannot explain why these marks would be reported as not found. I recovered one in eastern Colorado that was a rivet set on the concrete headwall back in the '30's. I had to dig through a couple of feet of dirt to get to it. Generally speaking, the marks that I have seen reported as "Not Found" were in areas where the highway or railroad was widened, or the area developed. Speaking of railroads, while many of these markers are along railroads, being on the right of way is considered tresspassing and anyone caught is subject to a $10,000 fine. Railroads used to not be so concerned with people being on their right of way (at least surveyors). After Sept. 11, however, they are really going after people, due to the heightened security of our nations transportation. Therefore, don't tell them about me finding that rivet (wink).
  11. Surveyors use the NGS database on a regular basis. It is very handy for obtaining control in whatever area I am surveying in. I cannot explain why these marks would be reported as not found. I recovered one in eastern Colorado that was a rivet set on the concrete headwall back in the '30's. I had to dig through a couple of feet of dirt to get to it. Generally speaking, the marks that I have seen reported as "Not Found" were in areas where the highway or railroad was widened, or the area developed. Speaking of railroads, while many of these markers are along railroads, being on the right of way is considered tresspassing and anyone caught is subject to a $10,000 fine. Railroads used to not be so concerned with people being on their right of way (at least surveyors). After Sept. 11, however, they are really going after people, due to the heightened security of our nations transportation. Therefore, don't tell them about me finding that rivet (wink).
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