rob.marsh

in that case Who said "What is history but a fable agreed upon? "

I have just got a GPSMAP 60csx from pentagon GPS. They are very helpful and you get free next day delivery. I paid £227 delivered with a 4GB micro sdhc card. I went from an etrex legend to this device, and it is a great bit of kit. I used it in anger for the first time yesterday and it is a dream to use. I can't see a reason for upgrading now for a good few years.

Do I still have the ding then?

I'll go with a slightly more sensible thought now, having run through what might normal have a min age. Marriage?

driving?!

Not everyone has the strength of mind/stomach to cope with finding what your looking for. & no, considering the subject, i don't think that finding what's being looking for would be "the greatest catch ever". I find that comment is somewhat distasteful. A little advice too mate, if you come on here asking for help, i'd avoid belittling our sport, "some junk filled tuppaware" happends to give us quite a lot of pleasure and fun. You'll find you get a lot more help that way, there are a whole host of people on here who are more than willing to help out where possible, with a whole manner of things.

To be honest, I've not even looked into Wherigo, and probably am not likely too. :-p

Hmm, I'm not getting either through, got my regular ones ok this week though. Edit, I forgot to tick a day to run it!!!!

Hi all, I set off a couple of one off PQ's this morning, I was just wondering what a reasonable time for them to come through is? Rob

Its here!! I'm loving it already, what a great bit of kit!

Have you removed them then? If so you really ought to add a note to the owner on the cache page (admittidly I haven't check if you have). The owners have the right to know if you have removed them, and why. If it is as you say a breach of rules, then they deserve have that (politely) explained as they may not know this. Have you notified a reviewer too? There was obvioulsy a reason that they got published, perhaps they got permission for instance. Equally, if reviews are unaware of the rules you mention, they need to have it brought to thier attention for future caches.

Why do you consider the Oregon screen to be more vulnerable than that on the 60 series? Jon. The screen on the 60C(S)x is not a touch screen so it is protected behind a thick, clear plastic, 'front window' (for lack of a better description). I had my 60CSx in my hand when I tripped up some steps in Paris a while back and instinctively put my hands out to save myself. The unit was smacked hard into the pavement, screen side down, and survived. The only damage was some slight scuffing on the corner of the grey plastic case. I'm not convinced an Oregon touch screen would have survived such abuse. Interesting point. I've owned both. The Oregon screen is 'protected' by being recessed by about 4mm, I guess the same as the 60 series. The difference being the 60 has an additional protective hard cover over the screen that is flush with the front case. The Oregon being touch screen cannot have this as you obviously need to touch it. I can see the reason for this making the 60 'more rugged', but don't think i'd consider it a reason to recommend one as being more rugged than the other. Holding one in each hand, I think the 60 feels more rugged, thanks to the increased use of a rubberised case. But I was wondering if there was some kind of industry standard "ruggedness" rating system someone had access to for these units, in order to base recommendations on something actually properly tested, similiar to the waterproof IPX stuff? Jon. I'm not aware of a "ruggedness" rating, as it would be very difficult to standardise across the industries. You could use/reference impact tests that would give you and idea of forces units could withstand. The IP system isn't just for waterproofing btw. IP is ingress protection. the first number is for foreign body ingress, second for water/moisture ingress. IP X7 is X = no special protection & 7 = protected against immersion. A site that explains it well is http://www.protectingpeople.co.uk/fire_tech/ip_explained.htm

Hi all, I have just upgraded to a 60csx from pentagon gps, and I just wanted to say, what fantastic service I had. It was so refreshing to speak to someone who was friendly and enthusiastic, but also willing to help with all my questions, even the dumb ones. They had exellent product knowledge, and were, quite frankly exactly what you want when spending that kind of money. Quite often you can be met with electronic companies who are just interested in seeing the colour of your money and closing the deal, so it was refreshing to have such good service. Rob

Thanks for all your help people! I have ordered a 60csx from Pentagon GPS. With a 2gb micro sd card, £227 delivered. Not as cheap as some, but the friendly girl I spoke to, coupled with the knowledge of the product etc, I feel was worth the couple of quid.

Thanks Jon, Andy, Andy, by performance, do you mean accuracy/signal in cover that kind of thing? Alot of the walking I'll be doing, caching or other, will involve woodland and covered areas. Would the 60csx stand up better in that respect?

Thankyou everyone for taking the time to reply. It seems that I won't be doing badly if I go for the 60csx. How rugged is the Oregon 400t? It's IP rating is the same as the 60csx, at X7, but is it as sturdy. I'm a clumsy sod, and am garunteed to drop it and put it through hell!! I don't know why, but something makes me nervous about the idea of a touchscreen GPSr, and I'm not keen on the idea. I know it gets great reviews, so its prbably just a silly opinion. Maybe I prefer a more traditional GPSr, who knows how my head works! Paperless caching isn't a big must for me either.

I have one......

factotem, your right, I am a scouter and the ruggedness of the unit is a big attraction for that reason. I'll be out in all weather with it. Thanks for your thoughts, it seems you're using the unit in the very same way I intend too. I saw the hantec price, but have found a few reviews mentioning that Handtec can be problematic with their stock levels and delivery. I found one for £223 with Pentagon GPS, who did a fellow scouter a great deal on 6 etrex units for his explorer unit. So I am likely to go with them as know they provide good service.

Thanks Pharisee, I had considered the Cx version, as indeed it is cheaper, but I think that I'd quite like the baromic altimeter, more from an interesting POV rather than "need" it. The electronic compass, the jury is out as far as I'm concerned at the moment. I don't use the compass on my etrex legend as it is naff. If the electronic one is just as naff, I prob wouldn't use it either. As far as batteries go, I have around 24 eneloop rechargables that are 2700mah so powering it is no worry. They last forever in all my camera flashes so I'm certain can cope with the 60csx. To start with I'll be using osm mapping, untill I can afford/justify the topo maps that garmin do. I have had great experiance with the OSM mapping, and I always use an OS map anyway, and the GPS as more of a guide. I have not seen the topo maps from Garmin yet so am undecided.

Hi all, I know this Q is old and probably over asked, but hey. I am about to buy a new GPS and I have done my research and am fairly settled on the 60csx. I like the look of the larger screen than the etrex series, the dedicated buttons (i am not a huge fan of the rocker on the etrex). I am staggered by the variation on price with units, even on the web. You can be looking at differences of £100+, its crazy! Anyway, upon scouting a good price, I havegot myself into wondering again if perhaps the 60csx isn't the right one. The colorada 300 for instance, maybe I should consider that one as well considering it seems to come in a little (ever so slightly) cheaper than the others. Also, the 60csx is a 4+ year old unit now, am i likely to buy one only to find its new brother come out in a matter of months? Apologies of you have answered all this before, but I felt I should seek some advice before committing to a purchase. Thanks! Rob

I've a feeling it was earlier still - 1902? wrong again, didn't realise this would stump people some much! stumped because it's before most of our time, though I thought some of the older ones may have remembered. I will take a guess and try 1903 I'll have to remember then not to go down the historical route for questions in the future, Sorry. 1903 is correct.

I've a feeling it was earlier still - 1902? wrong again, didn't realise this would stump people some much!

I seem to be in a bit of a minority (of one!). I use leather Scarpa boots for just about ALL my caching. it's not exactly what you were asking for, but I find the extra support of a stout boot is often of benefit even when I don't expect to be on rough ground. They are so comfortable (with a first class pair of socks, of course, as mentioned by someone else) that I'd be happy to wear them all day and every day . Rgds, Andy Only reason I don't have scarpa boots is because I couldnt afford them at the time of buying my latest boots! My father in law has Scarpa boots and loves them, and I can see why.

Not sure why its a guessing game any more than another pub quiz level question where you don't know the answer!? ;-) Both wrong answers though, but Paul was right in feeling that it was earlier.

mainly : Weight (very big factor for me), carrying an extra 400-700 grams on your feet is like an extra x kilos in your pack. Comfort (again, for me). My feet are tricky, I've found few leather boots I can get a long with long term due to sweat, I love the higher breathability of fabric boots. Also, fabric boots either fit, or they dont, not much walking in needed which can be good for a first time buyer. And with fabric boots in general being less rigid I find walking in them simply more comfortable. The only real drawback in my opinion of fabric boots is durability vs leather ones, especially higher end leather boots which can easily be resoled. (Fabric boots can as well, but imo hardly worth it.) Agreeing with you tho, look after your feet and they'll look after you. It's one of those things I'd never skimp on, I'd rather spend extra and be comfortable. *goes to tend to his 4 pairs of boots/shoes* I was of the very same opinion regarding weight and breathability until I tried the leather KSB's and any brasher leather boots. I was amazed at how light they were, and the KSBs for me, went on like slippers. I even found that the leather KSBs I have are lighter than my fabric KSBs.