Sol seaker

There are a few in that park. It could be GC2GNWQ Ferguson Park on Blackman's Lake Reborn. It's hard to tell from the description which is a guard rail micro. I'll email the owner and ask, when I get to a computer.

We got 4 whole days of warm weather, almost reaching 80 degrees at one point. It was very exciting. Tonight I'm hearing thunder outside and it's raining. Now you all know where to come caching on your vacation. A whole lot of great caches here, including island caches and boat caches. If it ever warms up enough you can go find them.

We thank you for your opinion. Other opinions may (and do) vary.

There are geocaching forums for each area. You might try posting a thread there.

uh... just a question... Why are you choosing geocaching to "promote" when it doesn't even seem you're really into the "sport"? You've found one cache this year and only 79 since 2008. It really doesn't need promoting anyway. It's doing really well on it's own with almost two million caches worldwide and five million cachers, it really is big enough and spreading fast enough.

I'm self-employed also and do most of my hiking/caching during the week, but am able to join some of the weekend trips. If you're interested in any of the trails in south King County or Pierce County let me know, I'm the guy that mapped most of them for NW Trails and know them pretty well. I'm also free during the week. Jester recently posted a trip and the day most people could go was a weekday. Go figure. He had six people signed up at one point.

One of my favorite places to cache is Cougar Mountain in Issaquah. It's a great place for new hikers as well as cachers. There's a lot of history there as well as great trails and caches. There are over 50 caches there. Just keep in mind the caches are all accessible by the trails. The park oversees the caches and makes sure they are placed so people don't trample the woods looking for them. Have fun!

Yes, I was so glad to see the sun today! I almost didn't know what it was. I put some shorts on,.once.I.dug them up, and sat in the sun a while. It's been an incredibly rainy spring here. I have slowed down caching lately though, there is so much going on here in the summer months, whether its good weather or not.

Litter: Geocache: (Yes there is actually one there.) Do you see a difference? So then is building a fence in the woods litter? How about an information kiosk? How about an information sign? A bench for a rest? Is anything placed in the woods litter? Then how about geocaches in the city? Wiki: Litter consists of waste products that have been disposed of improperly, without consent, in an inappropriate location. Litter can also be used as a verb. To litter means to throw (often man-made) objects onto the ground and leave them as opposed to disposing of them properly. While most litter is associated with containers, wrappers and paper product; dumped items may include furniture, appliances (white goods), old electronics (e-waste), abandoned vehicles or construction materials. These categories of waste often contain hazardous materials. The distinction between littering and illegal dumping is sometimes defined by volume [1] or the location of the disposed of waste.[2] Illegally dumped items containing hazardous waste can harm the environment and have a potentially negative impact on human health. These are not waste products, we are not disposing them inappropriately, where appropriate we have gotten consent, and they are in appropriate locations. That last is probably what they take issue with: whether the location is appropriate or not. You can't see it, it's not being disposed of, but used as a game piece, it's not litter. We're still using it so it can't be litter. They're removed when we're done with the game. If they weren't removed when we are done, then it would be litter then, at that point.

Take a look at the most recent Groundspeak newsletter and look at "upcoming events." If there's nothing there, you could email a couple people who hold regular events, but it's not really mandatory. If the people you emailed don't respond shortly, and you don't see another event in the newsletter, then go for it. Have fun.

Thanks so much for the offer!!! I'm heading north that weekend, so can't fit south into the mix. That looks like a bit more of a hike than I'm able anyway. If you guys do any smaller hikes let me know!

And what do you think they deserve? Smack on the wrist? Should we take the big gold trophy off them? Strip them of the kudos halo that surrounds them? It's just a game of finding mostly silly hidden objects which the individual players then log, based on their own definitions of find/honor/truth/sportsmanship. You soon discover that these definitions vary from player to player. Just as well that "it's not about the numbers", eh? MrsB Well in every game there should be rules. At first they should be warned by a moderator, I surely think that would help in some cases. If they continue they should get banned for a short period of time. Normally if they really care about this game and enjoy it that would help, if it doesn't they should get permanent banned and go look for an other hobby. It may be hard, but its fair to all the honnest peoples So how much time and energy do you propose Groundspeak spend tracking down these individuals and proving that they indeed did not find one particular film can in the woods? Do you think they should hire a whole fleet of geocaching police? Perhaps we should have them posted at parks and in mall parking lots. Perhaps they should check every log there is for authenticity. Or should they only respond to those who check up on their fellow players and complain about how others play the game. Then what if someone is falsely accused, like the one guy who has a job on a plane that really did log in many states in one day? So do we have them innocent until proven guilty or the other way around? So after this gets all set up, how do you think it will affect your individual enjoyment of the game?

Yeah, and the first one of those I found really P***ed me off too!!! I felt I had been lied to. I was not surprised when it went missing shortly after. To me the game is to have fun. I try to place caches that will make people smile. What kind of look on their face do you want people to walk away from your cache with?

I would highly recommend finding a local cacher in your area who is willing to help you. There are caching pages for a lot of areas. Where are you located? What state or country? There are a lot of cachers who give classes already who could be a great help to you. You need to spend more time than 4 hours before the event. What happens if you don't "get it" in those four hours? Where are you going to find help? You need to practice for four hours two weeks before the event. And you need to find someone to do the event with you who's got some experience. It seems simple, but there is a whole lot to know about caching and GPS systems. You just don't have the experience and you haven't got the time to get it. Get help on this!!! kay?

I love it, someone logged that one and called it a "confidence builder" :laughing: :laughing: I think that's great that people can find something positive to say about almost any cache

Man, did he have a bad day or what? It's a nice looking site, that is easily navigated. I didn't look through it all, just a few things. I think one thing I'd like to see on any "complete" geocaching website is a puzzle page. No website should give away puzzles of course, but a lot of people have problems with them. A page with many different cyphers would be great. A page with links to the many different puzzles caches that are dedicated to helping people learn how to do puzzle caches. Any other help, lessons or clues that would help people work puzzles, but not give away any specific puzzles.

One benefit is that you would be supporting the people who bring you geocaching, but beyond that, I find the Groundspeak app more reliable. It also is far more accurate. The other apps that I try do not keep up with the caches that I've found and not found, so I find I have to keep checking Groundspeak's app anyway. The live maps are hard to find on groundspeaks app, and that needs to be fixed, but they are there and they are good once you find them. I use a GPS and just use the android apps when I haven't loaded something in my GPS or I'm having other trouble. I do like Groundspeak's app a lot and I'm glad I bought it. I tried to use the other apps for a while and have always ended up returning to Groundspeak's app for different things. I'm very glad I bought it. If you consider people pay 150-600+ for a GPS, 10.00 is pennies.

I've had poison oak over 75% of my body a number of times. It gets on my lips and oozes and crusts over so I can't eat, then seals my eyes shut when I sleep so I have to use hot compresses to get them open. The rest of my body covered with oozing bursting blisters is painful with unrelenting itching. I have to take nasty drugs that are bad for the immune system and have induced diabetes in me. I say move it. This is not fun. Caching is supposed to be fun. Do you really want to wish this on someone? I used to run through PO with no effects. I have talked to many, many people who have the same story: the more they were exposed the worse their allergic reaction. Wearing long pants and sleeves does not help. I would get it off my clothes after I took them off, or in some cases, after washing them. The oils can be persistent. Fels Naptha soap is good, but if you don't wash immediately it won't help. If you don't see the PO it won't help.

Agendas are not allowed. Religion is an agenda item. Some things may be borderline, but religion, politics, sex, and a few others are pretty clear. It would not get published. When people.show existing caches as evidence.that it would fly, you run into the guideline that states no cache can be published just because there's another one out there. Other caches have been grandfathered in, and some cache pages have been changed after the fact. I would report one with a recent publish date.

Do we need a guideline? Only if it becomes a problem. I don't think most people have a problem with moving a cache to another location for a short time or allow the other people there to sign the log. There needs to be a common consensus before common sense can be applied. I got the idea for RMCs while discussing that topic but this is a different topic and I'd like them to remain separate topics. That is why I started this one instead of trying add conversation to that topic. If you want to discuss the logging of caches found in the trunks of cars, which I conceded is not against the guidelines, then please do so in that topic and not this one. It's just common sense. Up thread you mentioned the case of bringing a cache 100' to the trail so that the caching group could sign the log. I think that this is the type of thing that most would not have a problem with. This is much different than taking a cache out of service for a day and relocating it so others that are not even looking for it can sign the log, and claim a find online. As long as there was not a particular physical challenge involved in grabbing a cache, I wouldn't have a problem with a fellow cacher bringing a cache a short distance out of the brush. Our hiking groups are usually pretty large and there is no reason for 20 geocachers to be making crop circles off the trail. Taking that same cache to the local pizza parlor for a Saturday night event is completely different. Yes taking it to a different location is different than making it easier to sign in the area it was placed. That is common sense. But I want to add, it is common among everyone I've cached with for them to want to at least see the location of.where it was hidden before they'll put their name.on it. That's very universal among totally different cachers who have never met. I think that's then called common sense. But there's always going to be someone who ignores common sense. There's no logical argument that can be made for common sense. If you don't get it, or don't have it, there's no explaining it.

Why isn't there even some generic guideline to cover this aspect? While there is no guideline that says no armchair caching it is again the guidelines because there is generic guideline saying that you have to sign the log. So it's covered. I can find nothing specific or generic covering pocket caches. Even tho some pocket caches have been locked in the past there is nothing that says, even in a generic way, that caches, archived or otherwise, that aren't at their listed coordinates can't be logged. This leads me to believe that Groundspeak has left that area open for exploration. This exploration of the rules has happened many times before. Sometimes it even produces a new or different aspect to the game and attracts even more people to the hobby. I think that Groundspeak leaves these things open so that those who find themselves in unique situation will not be excluded from logging caches. I don't think that they ever intend for people to intentionally create unique situations for the express purpose of logging geocaches online. That crosses the line from exploration to exploitation. I think Groundspeak leaves it open because there is no way in...heck they can cover every possible thing. Just like, as someone suggested, they don't cover dousing every cache you find in gas and igniting it. Some things have got to be left for common sense. There are many guidelines here people have quoted that are close enough to fill in the blanks with some common sense. If I deleted.your log on my cache for doing that, I think Groundspeak would let it stand.

There's a lot of great replies here, including many guidelines that the tread owner did not seem to take into account when replying. I think the best though is the common sense guideline, or gasoline dousing guideline. I would also have to add the "fun" guideline. The fun in geocaching is in finding them. That would be like being someone who runs marathons for fun, and just walking over the finishline without running the race. Sure its easier, but what fun is it? Where's th sport in it? I also.have to argue that the odds of even half the caches making it back to where.they were originally is very slim. I would delete logs on my caches done at any such event. That is not a find. I suspect Groundspeak would let my deletions stand. It is not a find.

Send the CO a link to this thread??

That's great Coldgears. Now be sure to put them somewhere under cover where they are not going to get rained on. Those are not the least bit waterproof. Just be careful where you put them and it could work out.

I recently did a series of caches that were all film cans hiding in bushes. I expected something creative because the owner is a long-time cacher, yet that person chose to put out film cans that were pretty much in the most unimaginative spots available. I'm no great fan of film cans in bushes and evergreen trees, and here's a lot of them all together. I had trouble finding one of them, and then realized I had to think of the most unimaginative spot I could, and then I found them quickly without the hint.