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Thanks for your excellent suggestions. I've added it to the Superlatives category: http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/WME09R_LONGEST_Fence_in_the_world

Yes a rewrite of the Posting a waymark instructions is needed. Also noticed that a number of people feel confused by the different waymarks permitted. Perhaps we should consider requiring a marker/cairn of some kind for ALL submissions except true International/State Tri-Points? In this way we could probably open it up to county boundary Tri-Points as well. I can't imagine many of these locations would actually have an interesting marker would they? This change would make it less confusing I guess. Looks like it's on its way to becoming a viable category anyway.

You could put in the Wikipedia category as that is where your link led. I think you could probably put it in the Superlatives category... its got to be the Worlds Longest Dog Fence. Thanks Bruce. Both great ideas. Can't believe I didn't consider Superlatives as I already have a waymark there..! Cheers Levi

Thanks for the suggestion. Because I'm not a cacher I'd prefer to waymark it in the traditional method. As for caches they'll need to be placed south of the fence not to get muggled by the dingos.

Sounds boring right? Here in Australia we have the Dog fence - a single continuous dingo barrier which stretches for 5614km. Think Great wall of China but not nearly as impressive! For those interested see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fence At one end there is a sign and rock with a plaque etc and there are also signs along the fence at major highway crossings. Anyone have any suggestions where I could log this? I can't seem to find a suitable category. Thanks

This is not a bad idea.. I've got one in mind to log already. Not sure if this would get past peer review though because of prevalence. Outside of Europe there probably isn't all that many around. Not a problem with me I think over-prevalence is worse but know that many waymarkers will deny a category if they can't find one between their house and the grocery store..!

Thanks Fi67 and to all those who provided such constructive feedback. A great job has been done and it really is a credit to the overall process and the valuable part that the forums play in category creation. Knock me down with a feather if this doesn't make it through Peer Review...!

The requirement for a cairn/marker where the border corners is just to filter out those borders which are quite jagged (like many of the European ones). I can see the benefit of keeping these consistant but obviously this will cut down the prevalence of accepted locations. I think the perception of what should be accepted is probably influenced by where you live. Even if I captured all the tripoints, border corners and coastal "tripoints" in Australia there would only be 11 in total!

I agree with the marker requirement for corners. I disagree on this if it is a tripoint especially for those that are water related. My home state I believe has 7 tripoints but all but two are either in the Mississippi River or the Missouri River thus they do not have markers. (the two in the southwest have markers) This post has been edited by BruceS: Yesterday, 12:18 PM --------- BruceS Talking about these rivers, are you suggesting that a waymark be made on water? I ask this without any flippancy (or buoyancy) as I in fact did this for a river CONFLUENCE. My thinking about the necessity for a marker is based on the need to correctly identify the boundary location. Are these boundaries known to a sufficiently high degree of accuracy to allow a way marker to determine the location and make a waymark, without a marker? We can approach a boundary looking at google maps on our smart phones and stop when the lines meet, but is this good enough? A marker provides a single, unambiguous location. Having said all of this I now recall that I have a province boundary marker from Cambodia which shows the meeting point of three provinces--so I am on board. Interested in joining the group so we can get this thing to a group vote?

Yes you are correct that the pillars at these corners in Australia are also benchmarks (part of the 100KM network). This does make them eligible for the Aust/NZ benchmark category. I guess like Fi67 points out above they could also be included in the tourist attractions category. I'm not sure whether this makes the category redundant though. Are monuments outside of Australia also benchmarks? I'm not sure. Also what about a tri-point which has no mark (like BruceS's example where the point is on a body of water)? I think these locations are unique enough (and prevalent enough globally) they probably deserve their own category.

I think we are really on the right track here. Perhaps if we add to the description something like: "Locations where 2 borders create a 90 degree angle AND there is an interesting marker or cairn at the point will also be accepted." I've just joined the group and obviously am happy to be an officer.

I am not sure about these. I originally had not thought about them and they are not tripoints in a strict sense. But if there are markers, they could maybe be included. What do others think about it? Uhm, this is a real corner. Something like "a point where a border line changes its direction in an angle of 90 degrees or more"? I see this point is somewhat special, but I think it would lead to a massive prevalence problem. I try to illustrate what I mean. This is how the national border line looks like 3 kilometers west of where I live: This is 5 kilometers to the north: And this is a really complicated area between Begium and the Netherlands: I could easily find 100 or more corners on national level and maybe more on state level within a single hiking day. So from a global point of view I would say no to corners. Other opinions? Yeah I see your point re the corners. In Australia we only have one and there is an interesting cairn marking the spot (because it's pretty remote) see below: I would guess this one is fairly unique. I'd be interested in hearing from other waymarkers if they have any more input.

Good thinking 99..! When I first tried to change the category it popped up with a message saying something like "You'll lose all data .. etc" so I didn't try it. I gave it a go (since I'd recreated it now anyway) and just changed the category and submitted. Sure enough it moved to the new category with all the visits intact. Fortunately I'm the leader at Aust/NZ benchmarks so so was able to delete the extra one I'd created and it's all good. As for it being denied.. I am cool with it because at the time Aust/NZ benchmarks category didn't exist (and honestly its a better fit for that category). Thanks for your help.

Did the other one you deleted have visits posted to it? Just wondering if it is because this one already has visits if that is why you can not delete it. Yes surprisingly it had 1 visit but deleted fine. The one I can't delete had 3 visits. I can't work it out.

I recently was contacted by the Australian Trig Points category who revised and denied 2 old waymark submissions (2+ years) and advised I should recreate these under the Aust/NZ Benchmarks category. I recreated the waymarks in the new category, advised the waymarkers who had logged visits that they had changed and was able to delete one of the old waymarks with no problem. The second waymark (WM7DTK - Mt Brown, Beeliar Regional Park, Wattleup, WA) did not give me the option to "Delete Waymark". Can anyone tell me how I can delete this submission? Thanks

Great work fi67 that description really nails it. I was also open to expanding the category to where the border meets the ocean as quite often there is a cairn/marker etc. This idea is really to expand the prevalence of the waymarks. There is the odd occasion where only 2 regional borders "square off" into a point (e.g. Haddon Corner S 25 59.787 E 140 59.961). There won't be a high number of these but they should be an allowed exception. What are your thoughts?

How does a category for Waymarking the meeting points (corners) for State or Country borders? These could be: 1. Where borders meet in a square corner. 2. Where borders end at the ocean. Normally there is some sort of interesting post or monument marking the location. I'm thinking of travelling out to Cameron Corner and Haddon Corner in western Queensland over Easter (this is where the state borders of Queensland / New South Wales / South Australia meet) and have realised when I get there I'll have nowhere to waymark them. The only category which comes close is Border Crossings which requires a highway which crosses the border. Not common for these locations. Here in Australia there are 11 locations which would be valid based on the above criteria. I can imagine that in the US and Europe there would be hundreds. It is a truly Global idea. As always I value any feedback and will also need willing officers to help it get started.

On a similar note, the following search checkboxes arent working: * exclude waymarks I've visited * exclude my waymarks

Not working for me either unfortunately. I had tried saving the file first but no luck.

Fortunately in Australia we don't find too much of this. So many times I've been somewhere looking suspicious and thought "it's amazing someone hasn't asked me what I'm doing..."! I always find the upfront approach to be the best. If I'm looking for a benchmark out front of a police station I'll just pop in first and let them know what I'm doing. Normally they say fine and shrug their shoulders. This way they aren't worried that I'm doing anything wrong (just think I have a screw loose...!). Obviously in a free country I don't have to do this but it simply saves me any awkward situations.