PandyBat

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Didn't you hear? They all took the day off and went caching. Wish I could be!

Horsefeathers!!! your proof "deviantART is currently down for system maintenance. Please try back in 30 minutes. " HAHAHAH!!! How convenient! I was just there, so they just went down!

There you go again....taking things out of context. Had you quoted the rest of my post, you would have seen my retraction..."Nah....that's not how I like to play." I have no ego problem. I have a problem of claiming failure on something that I wasn't even given a fair chance at. I have posted DNF's before. Go look at them. I just happen to use them differently than you do. Now go comment on the rest of what I said since we've got this all cleared up.

Good points! I wouldn't do one either. It would always be tempting to me, because I think there is a little "numbers player" in all of us. But in an effort to keep these from popping up all over the place and ruining the original concept of the game, I would put in my 2¢ on the concept by NOT doing it.

Cool idea! But it will be hard to keep track of all the celebrities unless you use one TB to track them all. It could be worked out somehow. GentleWhisper has recently taken a pic with VP Cheney and a YJTB.

Where's a moderator when you need one?

You might be the first human TB in Sweden. I am also a human TB here in the states. Most people don't know it until they see me though. PandyBug Good luck on your travels!

It's never private when the story is posted on a public forum. Even when names or caches aren't mentioned, it's not that hard to find out what's going on when someone mentions problems with a cache. Other members trying to get details scramble through profiles and cache logs to find out what's really going on....lol Lesson one: If you're going to start a thread about problems with a cache or a member with the intentions of keeping it private, you might as well just come out with it. Someone else will do it for you eventually anyway...lol

I do too. I like to write a little more than the usual "TNLNSL". I feel bad for the cache owner when people do that. They took their time to hide a cache for YOU to find. I feel like in a small way, that I am giving back to them something for doing that for me by telling them of my adventure on their hunt, no matter how insignificant the hunt was or how uneventful it was. There's a story in every cache hunt if you will just take the time to enjoy it. I think cache owners appreciate and deserve a good log on their caches. I wouldn't want to deter them from hiding more in the future. I do have a hard time writing logs on micro caches if they aren't placed in interesting places, but I still write them the best I can.

Ok....so I guess I'll just not post anything until I find the cache like most everyone else does. No notes, no DNFs, nothing. Nah...that's not how I like to play. I like to make a story out of my cache adventure. I'm not into this game to accomodate the people that use PQ's or other types of software programs to take with them on a hunt. Especially when they state that they don't use the logs or clues to help them on their initial trip. If you prefer not to read logs or clues before you go on a cache hunt, then that's your perogative. You are going after a cache blindly. That's fine. I don't see how it makes a difference for you if you don't read any of them before you go anyway, no matter what type of log I leave. If you go and you can't find a cache, you refer back to the logs and then the clues. One DNF on a cache will usually not deter the REAL enthusiasts into looking for a cache. Several DNFs will. But when you do a PQ, you only get the last log icon showing. How are you going to know if that's the only DNF or if there are several more? You can't unless you read the logs. If I post a DNF, how are you going to know that they cache is actually missing and that I didn't just overlook it? You can't unless you go look for the cache yourself and make sure, which is what most people do. Most times the cache owner will go out and confirm that a cache is missing. I prefer not to post a DNF on a cache that is missing. So then we come back to the question of posting a DNF on a cache that was never there to begin with. It's a vicious cycle..lol If I post the first DNF on a cache, are you not going to go after it or are you going to go anyway just to make sure I didn't overlook it? I would feel really bad if I posted a DNF on a cache that was really there and somebody said they didn't go after it because of the DNF icon showing up on a PQ. Ok...not really. But I'm sure it's happened to someone before. If I post a note on a cache saying that I think the cache might be missing and then you come after me and say that's still there, I would go back out and look again. If I still couldn't find it and decided to give up, I would then post a DNF. Then the next person would STILL think that the cache wasn't there because of the DNF icon showing up on a PQ. Another vicious cycle! LOL

I agree. And as long as a person doesn't go on a big ego trip by claiming that they know more than me because they have 300 more finds, I'm fine with them doing a power trail. It's when they got those extra 300 on a power trail and then try to belittle everyone with their knowledge of all things geocaching that gets to me. We're all the same whether we have 50 finds or 500 finds. It's not about the numbers, it's about the fun you had and the stories you can tell about getting those numbers.

Because it is lying. I beg to differ. A DNF means something differently to me than it does to you. A DNF (to me) means the cache owner stumped me with a hide and I couldn't find it. Depends mainly on if they hide a micro in the forest or maybe it was a very good hide in an obvious place that I didn't check. A DNF does not mean (to me) that I couldn't find it because of muggles, high water, animals or whatever else happens to caches. Either way, whether I post a DNF or a Note, you are going to know what is going on with that cache and why I posted like I did if you read the logs. Go read my logs. You'll see that I have posted DNF's on caches that were there but I did not find them. I was stumped by the cache hider for whatever reason. Those caches I will not be going back to find. A DNF is a finality to the cache adventure to me. Notes on other caches I have attempted are mainly just confirmations of notes or DNF's left by previous cachers saying that the cache was missing. I am not doing anything wrong by anybody logging caches the way I do...except when I post a DNF on a cache that is actually there. Then that screws up the PQs for everybody else. You're right. We aren't all on the same page. That's not surprising to me after reading hundreds of logs and seeing how everyone posts logs differently. I've seen the same cacher post two FOUND IT logs on the same cache. But the cache owners aren't doing anything about it, so those people think it's ok to do it that way. I've also seen a different person post 5 logs from 5 different trips to a cache saying they couldn't find it. Now to a person that scans the logs without reading them or uses PQ's, that would indicate that 5 different people couldn't find a cache and they will think that it's not there and not attempt it, when in fact, it was only one person that couldn't find the cache. Yes, maybe we should at least minimize the options down to a FOUND IT, a DNF and nothing else but the SBA option. That way people can't log anything else other than whether they found it or not. But then, not many people would log at all if that's the only options they had. Because no matter whether a DNF counts against your stats or not, people still do not like to admit defeat and will not log them. Me included. I will keep looking for a cache until I find it or until the cache owner says it's missing or until I've looked all over and give up. If I give up or the cache gets archived, I will post a DNF. There's a difference, albeit small, between "Can Not Find" and "Did Not Find". Maybe we should have a CNF (Can Not Find) option instead of the Note option. Problem solved! LOL (I am being a smart a**...I'm not that nitpicky.)

Dan-oh....where is this power trail located?

Has to be staged.....there's no logbook! LOL

Looks like images that Magellan has provided that can be used for advertising geocaching on websites or in print. The pictures look kinda staged.

A DNF doesn't count against you so what does it matter if I post a DNF explaining that the cache is possibly missing or a note stating the same thing? Some people don't log DNFs or any type of log until they find it no matter how many times they go after a cache. At least I post a note. My notes are like a journal of my search for the cache. If I posted a DNF everytime, it would be misleading other cachers into thinking that the cache wasn't there and it could influence their decision in attempting it. Especially those using GSAK, PQ's or don't read logs before they go. If I did write a Note saying that I believed the cache was missing, and someone came behind me and logged that it was still there, then I would change my previous Note to a DNF. I won't cheat on DNF if in fact the cache really was there and I didn't find it. Like I said, because there is so much leeway given by GC's setup and cache owners that don't maintain log entries, a person can define a find anyway they desire. DNFs and Note logs are nothing compared to FOUND IT logs. I would never cheat on a FOUND IT log by posting anything other than I signed the logbook. Since everything else is irrelevant because it doesn't count against your stats, what does it matter whether its a DNF or a Note?

If you found it, you found it. If you didn't find it, you didn't find it. If it was missing, you never had a chance to find it or not find it in the first place.

Good grief! Are all of these a multi of one cache or are they all on seperate cache pages? Cache page descriptions: This micro is 528 feet from the last one. This micro is 528 feet from the last one. This micro is 528 feet from the last one. So on and so on....... LOL! I don't see the point in these types of hides unless there is something interesting to see at each stopping point.

To each his own, I guess.

Completely agree. I've even emailed some local cachers and offered my help in getting their caches going again. Sometimes, things come up that don't give them much time to maintain their caches as they used to and they might need help.

We could argue this until we all drop dead. I still think it's pretty danged hard to find something that is not there to begin with. For me: Found it = FOUND IT Cache missing = Write a Note Cache there but I didn't find it = DNF If I write a note saying that the cache is possibly missing and someone comes behind me with a FOUND IT or the cache owner confirms it's still there, I will change my note to a DNF. I will go back out and find it later and post another log. If I don't go back after it, my DNF stands. I just can't log a DNF on something that is not there to begin with, and until it's confirmed that the cache was indeed there and I didn't find it, I won't log a DNF. I log notes instead if I believe the cache is missing. It's just not fair to spend an hour looking for something that is not there and have to log a DNF for it. I'm sorry that notes don't show up on PQ's for those that use them. Even if they did, I would still be checking the logs before I go. Those that go after a cache blindly by not using clues or logs, probably spend more time looking for a cache that isn't there than I do. I like to go completely prepared. I'd rather spend more time checking out the location and wondering why the cache owner brought me to that location than spending most of my time looking for a cache that isn't there. So I check the logs before I go, no matter what. Not everyone agrees with me on this. But this game gives so much leeway in how things are done that until it becomes a rule that you have to do it one way or the other, this is how I am going to do it.

Do anything to tick them off and they'll do it even more.

HEEHEE!

I had a dream this morning about being lost because the batteries went dead in my GPSr, couldn't find the way back to the van and it had medicine in it that I was supposed to deliver somewhere. I was really panicked more about the medicine than being lost. Can't understand that part of the dream but anyway....I woke up in a cold sweat. Went to the bathroom. Came back and my daughter had crawled into bed and was telling me she had a bad dream. I asked her what about and she said we were out geocaching and a snake was chasing us and we got lost. How weird! We both had dreams of something to do with geocaching!