thorin

Just because one of us considers something to be an "issue" doesn't mean the cache owner does/will. We can check their profile to see if they have logged in recently, logged any finds recently, placed any other caches recently. Is there a guideline I missed that requires a cache owner to respond to (what s/he may consider to be nuisance) e-mails? I don't know about the specific cache cited in the OP, but I do not think it unreasonable for a cache owner "to do nothing" about coordinates if people are succeeding at finding the cache. The owner might own an antiquated GPS unit; poor coordinates do not indicate a cache isn't meticulously maintained. What precisely is a cache owner required to disclose in the cache description? In "note" logs? Nothing. Just like the owner is not obligated to correct any "issues" (real or perceived) with their cache, cachers are not obligated to do anything more then attempt emailing them or mentioning their "issue" in their log entry. It's upto the volunteers and gc.com to decide if the owner is neglecting the cache and further decide if it should be archived or adpoted by someone else. (Per my original point #3). If a cache owner can't respond to an email or somehow address an issue raised by a large number of people (editting their cache description or posting a log note) then why should any of us not bring this to the attention of the volunteers or gc.com? If a cache owner shouldn't put any effort into maintaining a cache then why should any of us put any effort in to helping him retain ownership of it? (Note I don't think this is the case nor do I think this is the way it should be, I'm simply illustrating a point to BP) Further I haven't said in any of my posts that poor coordinates on their own suggest that "a cache isn't meticulously maintained". I have said that poor co-ordinates along with lack of communication or action suggest that the cache may not be "meticulously maintained". The input the owner is getting hasn't be solicited but obviously fits the maintenance guideline. That should cover all the applicable guidelines you keep asking about. Thorin

Why? Precisely which guideline delineates a required accuracy for coordinates? I don't know how many "difficulty" stars the cache has, but perhaps the "soft" coordinates were an intended part of the challenge. Not every cache is intended to be found without a search. If the owner is actually taking care of their cache what reason would they have to not point that out in the description, post a note in the logs, or reply stating that? Assuming you own some caches if I emailed you regarding an issue with your cache and you didn't reply why would I assume you're still taking care of it? Why would I assume you even still cache at all? Thorin

Ok first off let me say the cache owner should definately be trying to fix it. However I would also expect the following: 1) If it's really that bad then the people who have found it or do find it should be adding their own waypoints to their logs. 2) People should be emailing the owner. (Either to offer assistance or politely suggest that he/she may need to take a few more readings and come up with an average) 3) If they aren't getting replies from the owner then they should contact the local approver or contact@gc.com (er whatever it is). And either have it archived and removed or adopt it. Thorin

Rightio so here's my reply: BTW what did you win? Thorin

And then learn to use either the shift key or caps lock key. Thorin

Ya I'm upset that there aren't settings for my Pico, Nano, Exa, Terra, Giga sized caches Personally I haven't found cache size relevant yet. Thorin

For both my DigiCam and GPS I usually just grab whatever's cheap wherever I am and trim them (It's not like I go through more then 2 a year). Trimming has never seemed like a big deal. I can waste 3 mins (once or twice) to save $10. At the same time if there was something similarily priced to what I usually end up purchasing that I didn't have to trim them obviously that'd be even better. Unfortunately I've never seen a xref Thorin

Yup Night_Hawk mention that in the International Forum a couple weeks ago the nomination was posted by his fiance: http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=78986 Thorin

Isn't Navigator just the browser without the mail client, HTML editor etc? Thorin

What about all my Exa, Peta, Terra, Nano, Pico Caches do they get their own unique size descriptor too? Thorin

Was Not obvious enough for most people to realize it's a non-authorative answer? If I had been trying to speak authoratively I would have most certainly cited government websites and specific sections of the applicable legislation/documentation, and left out the caveats that I included. Thorin

Welcome to the sport! You post to the forums Correct it's posts (ie: forum posts) not finds. Geocacher Post count Yes. Further it seems you haven't read all the information that people have pointed you to (though you have decided to start calling people "smart arse" and "fat yank" when they suggest your read all the newbie centric info) because you would have noticed: Thorin

If you post all you want, you might end up like me and how was that Sax? That you ended up that is? I think he means "vastly misunderstood" Thorin

Public /private property can be hard. Per your example the road right-of-way is usually 10-15' upon which you should basically feel free to place a cache. Now obviously if you do this in front of a business or residence there is nothing saying it won't be removed. Whether it's by the business owner, the gov't guy who cuts the grass, or the electric company who maintains the pole is a completely different issue (just use your best judgement). As for placing it right on the edge of the field the only thing I can say is that alot of caches are placed on fencelines. For waterways (at least in Canada but I'm 95% sure this appies in the US as well) the first 10-15' (don't recall the exact distance) of any property on a body of water (river, creek, lake, ocean, etc...) is public property. If someone comes canoing along your waterfront property and decides to pitch a tent and stay in the first 10-15' of your property then there isn't really anything you can do about it. You can make a big fuss and they may move on but if they want to be sticklers they can say "tough .. call the cops" and the cops will say "suck it up". So again when it comes to waterways just use your best judgement. Placing a cache should be based mostly on common sense. Just put yourself in the shoes of anyone who might own/access/maintain the location and try to think of it all from their point of view. Thorin

Just becaues he's a cop doesn't mean he's brilliant or even thinks past the end of his nose. Thorin

Wow dianefauchez sorry to hear about your loss that truely sucks. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you and hope you get lucky and find out another honest cacher found them. Thorin

The collection leg of the flight lasted 884 days. Thorin

Gonzo-YT Here's a list of caches centered on Darcy McGee's postal code (K1P 5A8) murfster Cache in Oct isn't exactly close to Ottawa Thorin

Wow I hadn't even noticed that....good point.

You can always Edit that's what the button is there for (BTW it's still wrong in both posts ) Here's the list for Canada : Nunavut Thorin

IMHO you should only expect a reply if the owner is going to or has removed your "find". If they accept your find then I don't really see any need for a reply. Make sense? Thorin

No I didn't expect it to be implemented in 48 hrs. Acknowledgement is always nice but I can understand if ppl are busy. Someone did say (Jeremy or Elias) in another thread after I posted that, that this is one of their busiest weekends. So it's cool, all things in good time. Thorin

I guess not enough people agreed

Thanks. Hopefully TPTB will think so as well Jeremy? Thorin

It's not random because the first and last letter have to remain static, given the length of the avg word there isn't alot of "randomness" that can occur if you have to keep the end letters the same. Thorin