OK before I get bashed with lot's of flak about this I will tell my story. #1 I have never been a poster in the forums. The only reason I am here is to get feedback from honest cacher's Ok. I reacently had a new white jeep TB in my possesion and have been e-mailed from lots of folks wanting the TB# so they can log it. Big deal right? Well while I had it I wanted to log it in a cache and when I did it was not in my inventory It had been grabbed . I grabbed it back logged it and moved it on. Did a trade for a icon Owner deleted immediatly and then I realized that to me # 1 If you don't have it don't log it. Don't do virtuals get out there and work for it. Me&Mini-me.