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GPS receivers were around before SA was turned off, they just weren't as accurate as they are now. I bought my first GPS around 1995, an Eagle AccuNav Sport, and there were GPS receivers out before then.

Actually virtual and webcams are geocaches based on the wiki article, they are just not listed on GC.com

That title is what is confusing. Requirements and Guidelines are 2 separate meanings. Having them in the same section doesn't make sense! But even GS doesn't follow their own Requirements/Guidelines - "Listings must contain accurate GPS coordinates" and "We have published and will continue to publish cache listings in outer space, such as in the International Space Station or on Mars." so what are the coords on the IIS right now? or how do you expect to use a GPS on Mars when there are no satellites in orbit there to give any signal. If GS can't even obey their own rules/guide why should we?

Then it should be a rule not a guideline. A guide is a suggestion of how to do something. Take for example a study guide. If you don't follow the study guide doesn't mean you would get an F. Another example would be a tour guide book. It might show you all the normal sites of a city but one could tour the city without one, and might have a better experience then following the guide book as you might see some sites that normal tourist don't. Based upon no one able to cite an actual rule these caches should still be legal. If the reviewers have been told that they should approve them, then GS needs to update their rules that explicitly states that they aren't allow instead of mentioning it in their guidelines.

Looks like it brought out a lot of muggles also. Cool pic! Sorry to see it on its last trip.

Same thing can be said about film canisters, ammo boxes or any container, it would all appear as junk.

I guess if a cache requires a container and a log, the water bottle cache just needs a plastic bag. That way the cache has a container (the plastic bag) and a log (the water bottle).

Does Portland have a REI store? They might sell tags there (they do in Albuquerque).

So if someone would place a 5 gallon bucket on the ground in a low depression and then bring some dirt and build up the ground around it to be level with the area around the top of the bucket that would be legal? There was no hole digging (if fact you added dirt to the area) but it appears that a hole may have been dug. What about caches that are in sandy area that haven't been found where the sand has shifted to cover said cache. Since I may have to move sand away from the top of the cache is that a violation of having to dig for cache?

There used to be a web site that had a couple of GPS games, one of which was GPS golf. You would tell the site where you were located and it would create 18 random "holes" that you would try to get close to. Most of the coords were on private property so you could never really get directly on the hole. You would post the coords that you were able to get to and then others in the area would post where they got and the closet would win the "hole. I can not remember the site but they had 4 or 5 games on it based on a GPS receiver.

If caching was about the container then most of the logs should be something like "Found black cylindrical container with a slightly leaky lid under the lamp skirt". Caching is about getting out and having an adventure. I would rather climb a mountain for a virtual that had a great view then climb a mountain for a nano in a tree.

Who do you consider to be the founding fathers?

Do you still have the cable from the PN40? If so you might try using that cable. Otherwise I would make sure all the pins on the connector are have the spring in them and maybe using an eraser on the PN60 connection to clean them off.

Wait a minute... are you saying that MOGA put out a bogus cache ("Was always missing")? And that one of the directors that "helped to hide this cache" also logged it? Surely I'm misunderstanding you! Oh, no, not at all. I'm commenting on the fact that people will blanket log an area, even when a cache is clearly missing. I don't know what happened with these two caches, but the very first logs confirm that they are indeed missing (All of the caches named after space vehicles were very easy, just shy of a p&g, obvious from the road where they were most likely hidden, and all found with almost no real searching needed). I do not, nor have I ever believed that the MOGA team intentionally didn't place, or that they retrieved these two, or did anything to make them tricky. Most likely scenario is that something happened between the time they were placed, and the time they were published (a difference of up to a couple of months for these caches), possibly that they were visible just too visible from the road, and a non-geocacher got curious. I think this cache was part of the competition caches so you were able to claim it if you were in the competition but otherwise it was a DNF or missing. The missing caches have been archived while all the other caches are still active.

I recently have seen that REI is selling those moisture absorbing packets. Haven't tried them and don't know how they would work. One problem is the that people might walk off with them or think that they are trash and throw them away.

Ebay listing

Normally larger container that can hold several TB/coins. I have seen normally swag in most of them but a couple of them just had TB.

It appears that they are (were) planning on getting 1000 caches there http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...&Submit6=Go

Instead we got LPC or nano flag pole caches, fence post top caches, etc.

What I don't understand is why Wherigo caches are still listed on gc.com site when they also have their own other site like waymarks do.

You do realize that your hand held device is a receiver and you need to have something to transmit for you to receive it. If no satellites then nothing is transmited so nothing can be recived to determine your location or cache location.

Don't think that you have the satellite capability to enable GPS on Mars yet.

If you have an REI closeby they might offer a class.

Geocaching Swiss Army Knife. http://gsak.net/ Think of it as a offline database that hold cache information.

Nate, I think you need to recheck to verify that the server are actually working. 3 steps to reporting a bug: 1. What you were trying to do - Run a PQ 2. What happened - NOTHING 3. What you expected to happen - Have my PQ run