Moose Mob

I could not publish this with only 9 days warning. Plus the conflict with the existing ET highway event would have a massive decease in our effectiveness at this event.

Step one is to be patient and wait a few days. This is not a race.

There are two phrases in your post that came to my attention. One was about your ability to concele it and the other about having two of them would look out of place. With this type of hide, you want the general public to see it, but to the person looking for it, there is something out of place. In my opinion, that is what makes a great hide. You want geocachers to find it and non-geocachers to ignore it. Redsox_marc's electrical cover plate on the back of a trail sign is a good example. It is something we always see so unless we are 'looking' our mind will not be drawn to it. Even when caching you will ignore something that is supposed to be there. People dismantle operational sprinklers in hopes of finding a cache. When using a fake sprinkler, it should not look like the ones that are already in the area or property destruction will follow. That said, when placing your electrcal plate, don't worry about it being seen by muggles. Just be sure that a person looking for 'something' would notice that it is out of place.

When the FTF also puts in a Needs Maintenance because the log book is full, you know there is a problem.

If you e-mail me the coordinates I can do some checking. It could also be a mystery cache or multi-cache final.

You got some coordinates for it?

The problem doesn't come from you. The problem is from 'them'. It is 'them' that we need to get informed and 'them' isn't always in the forums. A few of 'them' may read the newsletter or maybe a few more of 'them' talk to someone that read the newsletter.

There are time where a "Needs Archived" log is the best thing you can do for a cache listing.

I believe the Route66 is up to 900 caches. ET highway is over 1500 caches and will soon be expanded.

I have a 'comfort bike" for urban caching, marinas, and similar. Not quite a beach cruiser, but enough gears and tire tread to handle mild-moderate trail riding.

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All right! Another blast from the past! I'm not in Colorado, not even in Vegas any more... I am now stationed in California with the surfers.

Sounds like spring fever hit just a week or two too soon!

Thread moved to TB forums. SInce uspn last had the TB and it was marked as missing, uspn will need to grab it back or they will not be able to drop into a cache.

Since I am about location more than 'difficult hides', my caches tend to be in more 'out of the way' places. For the few urban caches, I will make a point to let folks know what container it is and where it is. If someone wants to replace a missing cahce for me, wonderful. I will tend to do the same when it makes sense to do so, expecially when I was in a war zone. While individual cache maintenance is a nice idealistic thought, helping each other does make more sense overall.

I just got one of these and I like it. Once I get a bit of practice, I am sure I will loike it even more. It does take a minute or two to lock on satelites, but that decreases the closer you are to the most recent location you used it. I also like my Montana... it's the size of a brick, not as good of pictures and fewer photography options, but it takes adequate pictures and it holds over 10,000 geocaches.

I have that type of maintenance plan for a couple hundered of the caches I own. They are remote desert geocaches that are ammo cans or aluminum containers that are are seen every year or two. I will not use plastic as even the best tupperware will degrade in a few years. So far, less than 1% of them have needed to be archived. The ones that get more frequent visits do get maintained.

Back to the OP. Finding the archived caches is a pretty cool thing. Removal is a question as there are other sites they may be listed on... my wild guess is that 1 of 10000 will fit into that scenario (if that many) but when it can happen. Rescueing TB's is really the best thing about what you are doing. Really cool. As far as 'this' cache that the CO is having fits about... that will happen. Not sure why the person archived 95% of their caches, but they did. Seems they used to be very active in Geocaching until a few years ago. So... keep rescuing TB's. Those owners will appreciate their little trinkets back in circulation.

I agree. But they don't always. So I propose we work from reality not what we want to be true. When it's your turn to be king for a day you can implement adequate legislation. Option 3. I place a cache, it gets published, I archive it a week later and place an additional cache in the same spot it gets published. I archive a week later, place a third container. Then a 4th, then a 5th. We got an awesome power trail with a stack of 30 geocaches all in one place (mind you that 29 are archived).

Occasionally bewildered (but not lost). Longs ways from being archived.

I think this guy needs a tour guide! Hike? Climb? Trees? (sorry, not many trees) Urban?

It's a pretty cool feeling to be writing your geo-nick on that prestine piece of paper. But it's not that simple. If GC tracked FTF, then each new cache placement would start an FTF race. The beauty of geocaching is that it uses a non-competitive model. Folks will create compitition, but it's not built in. Here are a couple questions that will have inconsistent answers. - If you are in a caching group of 4 geo-nicks the simultaneously view the cache, does each nick get 1 point? 1/4 point? - If you give only the point to the first person that grabs it, is there a penalty loss for physical violence to gain the advantage? - What if the reviewer was bribed for location prior to publication? FTF is a really cool feeling, but if it were elevated above it's current status, it would be more open for corruption.

I would disagree that logging an archived cache, in itself, is bad form. If you found it, then why not log it? A few in the forums will find fault with it (as with anything that doesn't fit some preconcieved notion), but it not bad form. So... exactly what does it mean for a cache to be archived? In it's purest sense, an archiving a cache listing means is not available for search results. The only way it can be viewed is by direct link/view. Not much more than that. It does not mean the cache container was removed. It doesn't mean you can't find it. It 'might' mean that the cache owner decided to stop maintaining it. But not always. It 'might' mean that someone put it in a 'better spot'. But not always. It 'might' mean it was removed by property managers. But not always. It 'might' mean it is no longer in place. But not always. The only rule for geocaching has been "find the cache, sign the logbook, share your experience online". There are no qualifiers as to archived or enabled. There are guideleines to cover the details, and guidelines have flexibility (even if it's minimal).

Yes, I have done it a few times. Be sure it is a good location, good coordiantes, and a good container. I like to use places near (not in) commonly accessed hiking spaces with short walks (300-800 ft), durable containers and I recommend stopping by the day before you take them out there to be sure it is well stock and cleared of trash. Cheap (and shiney) trinkets are good, but obviously broken items and excessive paper/business cards. Keep it shiney, but cheap. If your show them $50 worth of 'bounty' in a large ammo can, then that will attract cache maggots.

Searching for archived caches is not a bad thing, but doing things outside the 'usual' will get non-typical responses. When seeking archived caches you will find some are locked, some geocachers will delete your finds, and when you talk about it you should exopect that certain people will find fault with it. Removing 'litter' is a good thing when it is actually litter. And when it is the right thing, you will not allways get a 'thank you' or other pat on the back.