To take a completely different tack on this issue, I read within the last couple of months in Indianapolis Monthly magazine that the Indy Parks staff will actually help new cachers get started geocaching at Holiday Park. There are only a couple of caches in this park, however someone within the parks department sees the value. I would certianly not interpert this as a policy statement on behalf of the City of Indianapolis, however in a time when we see nothing but rules and permits being implemented, it is definately a much needed bit of good news.