BackBrakeBilly
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What's the saying? "The squeaky wheel gets the oil" I find the decision to allow her log to stand to be a poorly made one and a slap in the face of EC owners.
...and asking for a mod to delete her comments? Really? shameful. That would add insult to injury. I believe there is another saying, "you made the bed, sleep in it." The comments should stand as notice to all EC owners that if the finder is persistent enough about logging their cache and attacks the owner long enough then the log will be allowed to stand regardless of the accuracy of the answers provided.
Yet at the same time, allowing a little leniency in the first place would have gone a long way in resolving the issue right out of the gate.
Sorry, I was told by Geocaching.com that I "HAD" to let him/her log my cache no matter what! I still have the email that they sent me....
I agree about this whole thing being a slap in the face of all earthcache owners, the power to regulate our own caches has been taken out of our hands, now I am being told I MUST let people log my cache because they want to even though they DIDN'T meet the requirements!
Once again, GC.com has proven that they are a company that has lost sight of their bread and butter. Without the people placing caches this company and this game would not exist, simple as that!
Just for the record, I am not a "NEW" cacher, I have over 13000 finds and over 600 caches placed in the 7 years I have been playing this game. GC.com has lost one of the top 50 cachers in the world, go figure!
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As for my 32 earthcaches I have placed, with what has happened here with this one I have come to a decision which is I will be archiving all of them very soon, they are just more trouble than they are worth...
Why? How many times has this happened?
If this is the first time, how long will it be until the next? 2 years? 3 years? longer?
Actually most of my earthcaches were placed over 2 years ago and the reason that I stopped placing them is because it is worse than pulling teeth trying to get one approved...
Over the past couple of years I have had to "argue" with folks in this same fashion more than a few times and I ALWAYS come out on the losing end due to the GC.com powers siding with the cachers that are most of the time try to log bogus finds. I am really tired of paying $30 a year which I have for the past 7 years to a company that has no intentions on listening to my side and actually taking care of the cache placer for a change. Without people placing caches this game is over! I have placed over 600 caches in my 7 years and for now will not be placing anymore, its just not worth it and niether is what I am getting for my $30 bucks a year......
I will get alot more fun out of $30 worth of gas in my Harley!
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This issue has been resolved to put a end to it, I received the revised answers which were MUCH closer to what I was asking for and I am happy with them. I have allowed the cachers log to stand since she made a effort to get the correct answers....
See, it was that easy to work out. I don't however see why she was nice in one post then attacked me again the next. I was trying to work this out with her the whole time and don't think I deserve the attack...
My thanks go out to all that saw my point on this issue.....
As for my 32 earthcaches I have placed, with what has happened here with this one I have come to a decision which is I will be archiving all of them very soon, they are just more trouble than they are worth...
Thanks again!
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No "Ban" on any new cache placements in Tn. State Parks? Nope, I know better. Just contact April Welch in Nashville and get permission to place one. Good luck!
Blame it on the trouble makers that don't get proper permission.
This has NOTHING to do with the issue you have with my earthcache and I am sure the person you mentioned would rather hot have her name posted here, if just out of respect...
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I tryed to answer the orginal 5 questions. I know which two that I got right, the others I guessed at. I think that I could do better on how the falls were formed, but I do not remember all the orginial questions now. I am not good at estimating distance, my eye sight is poor and I was not wearing my contacts. I did try and explain to the CO that I worked for the State and did not want to post my face in the photo. As for my husband, he was not there. But, he has no problem with posting a photo of his face any place. I saw a photo of him at the Post Office hanging on the wall today.
Just for the record, I was counting the answer for the question on how the waterfall was formed as one of the 2 correct answers........
Here is the answer you gave me for the question...
How was this waterfall formed? (your answer--- Water) Ahhh come on....
I guess I need to explain on how I want the Geologic process which formed the water instead of just... "WATER"???
The only answer you actually got correct is the one on how high are the falls which can be googled!
The other three answers you sent me were just plain wrong, sorry....
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No one has offered to let me answer the original 5 questions. I would be willing to do that to log the cache as a find and post a different photo. And by the way, I am not a "Dude" or a "him". I am a woman without my make-up on in the photo at the falls. We geocache as a family most times and use one account. All I am asking is to let me post my photo without my face showing and let me try harder to guess/estimate the answers to the original 5 questions. I have never encountered an EC owner that is so hard to get along with. We were here at the park for a Training course for the State of Tn. and live 150+ miles away. Why make things so hard for us that work for Tn. State Parks? They have all but banned caching in our State Parks. I enjoy geocaching, but am afraid to even speak of it at work because of Tn. State policy on geocaching.EarthCaches are supposed to be for educational purposes, in the family friendly sport of geocaching. Not a way for someone to carryout their own personial grudges. The new requirements from the CO to log GC14TVP would be near impossable to determine. The only posted information in the Park is the hight of the waterfall. What does the number of steps have to do with an EC? Geoaware should be more careful of WHO they let maintain EC's.
I was sitting there when your log came through on Billy's email.
I read your answers to the five original questions. You got two out of five right. That means, you got three out of five wrong. Geoware told Billy to change his requirements and he did so and now you whine and moan, still. But do not make an attempt at getting the five original questions right.
So now, you are supposed to be able to log an earthcache without sending the correct answers. No picture is supposed to be supplied. All that one needs to do to log an earthcache now is to convince TPTB at Groundspeak that you were at the location. Learning has the Earthcache category. You need not make any attempts.
One of these days, Groundspeak will take into consideration the opinion of those who go to the trouble to put earthcaches together and list caches for others to find and for once, side with the cache owner. But not today.
FYI, we haven't been in the forums this year to read the changes in Earthcaches. I went to the "Groundspeak" guidelines and read that "photo" requirements were up to the cache owner.
Seems like Earthcache.org and Geocaching.com were not on the same page here.
I heard Billy say more than once, if "Dude" gets the answers right, I don't have a problem with him logging it. So, instead of concentrating on the new questions, concentrate on getting your five original questions right and send him the answers. I'm tired of hearing about it already.
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I'm done, now. I have to go edit a few earthcaches for the new information I received today.
Just for the record I have a very good relationship with all of the TN State Parks people in our area, heck I even have our local head ranger on speed dial! LOL
There is NO ban or even close in OUR TN state parks!
Oh yea, I only hold you to the same standards that I hold all cachers too but seeing as you are a TN State Parks employee you should have had no trouble finding the answers to the 5 original questions but you still got 3 out of 5 wrong...
and yes, I have offered you several chances to log my cache by sending the correct answers even doing so publicly in this thread but you have refused to contact me but you can however go to GC.com and complain...
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99% of all ECs (without a picture requirement) can be done via a couch if someone sends you the answers...a pic at the site is the best way allowed to confirm someone was there...notice I didn't say a pic of your face, just a pic which proves YOU were there.
Requiring a photograph for the purpose of confirming that a person visited the site is not allowed with the new guidelines.
You can require photographs as a form of data collection.
If you suspect that someone has logged your Earthcache without visiting the site, check their other logs, and/or write them an email with a question about the site that isn't asked on the cache page. I've done this on a couple of occasions when I received questionable Earthcache logs.
The first thing I did was to check to see if the cacher in question just happened to visit any other caches in the area of my earthcache on the same day as he logged my earthcache...Nope, not one! He logged a cache the day before out on a hike at least 200 miles away from my earthcache. For the record, there are a bunch of other great caches near by my earthcache which a cacher would easily be able to grab while on the way to my earthcache, he however did not choose to log any of them.
Did I mention he only sent 2 correct answers for the 5 questions asked, everyone seems so focused on the picture thing that they are leaving out this fact!
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...and because some folks mess up even the easiest of questions I normally require pictures at the site. This is done for the finders benefit to allow for some leniency in the answers they submit. Some folks just have a hard time responding correctly to the stated questions but if a good faith attempt was made and there was photographic proof of their visit I normally allow the log to stand. Without the pic I'm a whole lot more strict on the answers submitted.
Exactly!!!
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Tell this to the owner of GC14TVP and the local reviewer that stood behind the CO that deleted my log today because you can not see my face in the photo that I posted. The CO went as far as to reword the logging requirements today to futher violate the new rule and sent me a rude email telling me to read the rules on EC's. I did appeal it.
Yes I did change the logging requirements as per Geoware's request. I changed it where the cacher no longer has to be in the picture as per the new guidelines which has noting to do with you sending me the incorrect answers to 3 out of 5 questions!
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I have the photo of me standing at the deck above the falls with my GPS unit, my head is turned and you can not see my face. Now the CO has changed the questions. Seems that they are just making a personial issue of something that is supposed to be educational and fun just because I did not post a photo of my face, and estimated some of the answers incorrect. I do know how tall the falls are, that is posted on the sign in the Park.
You didn't post that picture... As for changing the questions? I only took out the estimating part, I never said anything about exact measurements. I do expect folks to make a effort which you didn't do in my opinion.
Now the powers that be here at GC.com are telling me that I have to let you log it without you sending me the correct answers just because you want too....
I guess I have truly lost any control over MY earthcache!
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Is the prohibition for requiring pictures of faces for all Earthcaches or just new ones?
I have tried to glean an answer to this question and have not been able to do so. Are the new guidelines retroactive to all ECs (which were approved under the guidelines in force at the time of publication) or only for new ECs submitted after the guideline change?
Geoaware, please answer this question.
Thank you.
I know My earthcache is over 2 years old and they made me change my requirements so the guideline change must be for ALL earthcaches...
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Some of us geocachers have public jobs and like to keep our private lives private. That is why we use screen names and not our real ones. I like to take photos and post them, just not of my face. I am glad of the new change. It gives me new freedom to explore more EarthCaches.
This is funny, just checking out your profile shows many pictures of your face and more than a few ECs, you even posted a picture of you wearing a full ski mask and sporting a pistol at a public monument....
I really hate the fact that you would rather hash this out in public and not try to work this out without causing such a fuss.
Facts are facts...You only got 2 out of the 5 answers correct for the original 5 questions..... That is a failing grade anywhere!
I have no problem with you logging my earthcache if you post the "required" picture of the waterfall and you sending me the "Correct" answers for the original "5" questions
I am nowhere near as hard to work with as you are making me out to be!
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Tell this to the owner of GC14TVP and the local reviewer that stood behind the CO that deleted my log today because you can not see my face in the photo that I posted. The CO went as far as to reword the logging requirements today to futher violate the new rule and sent me a rude email telling me to read the rules on EC's. I did appeal it.
I am the "lucky" EC owner you are attacking on here and I would have been happy to work with you on your found log but you didn't have the courtsey of asking first. I understand the new guidelines that now allow "COUCH CACHING" involving earthcaches but the picture was not the only reason for your log to get deleted, several of your answers were incorrect! You only had 2 out of 6 answers correct, in my opinion that doesn't show that you even tried....
As far as I know, I can still delete your log for incorrect answers!
If you can send me the correct answers to my earthcache then your found log will be accepted....
Simple as that....
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Broken link problem here on my cache pages too but only after I edit old one or submit new ones ...........
Nate, take a look at GC1MWQ6...
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If a geocoin maker uses these forums as free advertising to sell their geocoins to this community, by all means, they should update this community in these forums. This is where the community got the information to begin with, this is where they are going to look for answers about the geocoin. If they use the geocaching.com system to take orders, they should update in here. They should update their own website no matter what. If they did not announce the geocoin in here, then updating the public in here is just a courtesy and good customer service.
Perfect solution....
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Granted, I always thought that updating a "Coin For Sale" thread was the polite thing to do but....
It would seem that you would like gc.com to police the geocoin companies by making the coin companies come here and post about their coins? I thought that everyone wanted a "Less" commercial geocoin forums???
Sounds like geocoin socialism to me....
I'm asking questions, and asking to hear others thoughts. See the questions marks after the questions?
I'm not even asking that Coin vendors be required to post their coins. I don't think they should! But if they have sold trackable coins, do they have a responsibility to update the community, or at least their customers on the progress of these coins? <See question mark>
Is their only responsibility to the community to come take our money and then they are free to run?
Oh I agree with you, A good company would do the right thing and give folks update when necessary but to make GC.com responsible for what the individual coin companies do is actually like socialism...
Just my opinion, not getting on to you MJ....
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Granted, I always thought that updating a "Coin For Sale" thread was the polite thing to do but....
It would seem that you would like gc.com to police the geocoin companies by making the coin companies come here and post about their coins? I thought that everyone wanted a "Less" commercial geocoin forums???
Sounds like geocoin socialism to me....
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It wouldn't let me leave positive feedback for a buyer that purchased an item from me two days ago.
Then you are doing something wrong, I left 4 positive comments for 4 different buyers last night.
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Sellers can no longer leave feedback on eBay, only buyers. She's not able to leave you feedback.
Oh yes, sellers CAN leave feedback but only positive feedback....
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Are there any companies that allow you to make a design of a geocoin and then they make the geocoin for you?
Most all of them will do this as long as you pay them....
Any specific companies that are known to be better than others?
I would say that you are going to get a good quality out of any of the top coin companys here, there are quite a few good ones who post in here on a regular basis.
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Are there any companies that allow you to make a design of a geocoin and then they make the geocoin for you?
Most all of them will do this as long as you pay them....
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We just had the 2008 Tennessee Micro coins minted and it took only 18 days from artwork approvial to them being delivered to my door. We did a Preorder but I only collected the money aprox. a week to two before the coins arrived. We saw no slow down and were told by the mint that they are ready for the next one without any delays...
As far as the Preorder part goes, having to wait for 3 months is a problem that folks shouldn't have to deal with. Waiting a month on a coin is not a problem as long as someone tells you it will be that long. The folks that are doing these long overdue preorders should be a little more up front with their timetable, like I said, the mint told us their is no delay!
Just what we know from what we are told....
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Still have some left for sale if anyone is interested.
Send your request/order to... 2008tnmicrocoin@gmail.com
(Order info in above post)
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I wish I had a lacky coin let along 2 or 3 coins.
Well I probably shouldn't say 3 but I have a 05 owned by me, a 07 owned by me and a 05 that is owned by a very special friend of mine at GC.com which he lets me keep for him...
Check this one out....
Pre-Sales of Geocoins
in Trackables
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Actually Mike, I think just about everything you purchase over the internet would be somewhat of a presell. I can't ever remember getting a item and then paying for it, I have ALWAYs had to pay for it and then I receive it...
I have done several "Presells" of coins on here in the past with NO problems whatsoever! I guess it depends on who you deal with huh but they way you are putting this is that everyone who "presells" anything is a bad risk which just isn't the truth....
Try go buying a snuggie over the net without paying for it first and then waiting 3 weeks for delivery, it ain't gonna happen!!!