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  1. OK...I give up.

    You only have to kick me so many time and I learn.

    All I wanted was to try to make this little part of the world better for caching.

     

    I have not mentioned the approver I was speaking about before now. Tcrow has been very professional about this whole thing. I know he realizes mature adults can agree to disagree. Thanks Tcrow.

     

    Thanks to all who have given feedback on this subject (for and against), but now I realize that there was not ever a chance of it getting approved.

     

    Thanks again to all those who gave input.

     

    Kayakanimal

    I consider this matter closed.

  2. Sorry I did not explain myself. You need a GPS to find...that is all of the details I will give....oh and it would be a virt.

     

    There are other types of caches...multi...mystery and so on. Not ALL all are walk up to the cords.

    Sorry I did not explain myself. Your cache has been archived...that is all of the details I will give....oh and it would be unarchived.

    Was this suppose to be something funny? Sorry...I missed your dry humor.

    No humor there at all. That comment was completely serious. You will give no details so there is no way to fairly evaluate your cache. You posted a "note from the reviewer", but you will not post the description from your cache which that note is based on.

     

    FYI... I can see archived and unapproved caches, but there is no archived virtual cache near the airport. In fact, the only denied virtual you have is one in your home area about 75 miles south of Orlando. From this account, that is the only unapproved and archived cache I see. It just makes me wonder if there was ever a "cache" at all. Maybe this is why you are being so evasive.

    Because of the "problems" with virts I directly emailed the local approver so I didn't waste his time if virts wouldn't be approved because the are virts. Are you telling me I should go ahead an post a request for the cache? Sorry, but I don't know who you are. Are you an approver? You have never spelled this out. If so, and you want to hear a detailed description I would be glad to email you.

    Kayakanimal

  3. I've almost posted this several times now, but as others have noted, you did ask for opinions, so...

     

    From the sound of it, you're wanting people to go to a set of coords on the top floor of the garage, and then proceed to the corresponding point on susbequently lower floors to find the objects in question. (I've never actually been to the airport in question and don't know the "lay of the land", but this seems the most logical approach to the problem.)

     

    What worries me about this is that to the security patrols, cameras, and "innocent bystanders" that would undoubtedly notice such activity, this would look awfully suspicious. With suspicion often comes misinterpretation, which can lead to overreaction, particularly where airports are concerned.

     

    Despite having existed for several years, Geocaching is still neither well-known nor is it always well-accepted. An unfortunate incident between a geocacher and airport security would certainly do no good for the sport's already weak public image. Sending strangely-behaving, GPS-equipped people into a security-intense area just doesn't seem like that great of an idea to me.

     

    The sculptures in question may or may not be very interesting (again, I've never actually been there), but if people are bored during a long stopover in Orlando, reading a book sounds like a good idea.

     

    Just my $0.02 on the matter...

    Thank you.

    I do appreciate all opions. They do not have to agree with me.

    It really doesn't matter that it is wrong. :blink:

    Just kidding.

    Thanks for your 2 cents worth.

  4. Um, how do you get a GPS coordinate inside a parking garage? :blink:

    Sorry...that is going to be one of the "skills" for this cache. If I gave away what you needed to do here (if the cache ever got approved) it would give it away. This will not just be a "walk to these cords and see the whatever".

    Um, so it won't be geocaching. If you don't need your GPS, then it's not geocaching. As Keystone says, you just follow the big signs to the parking lot. The waypoint web sites would not accept these submissions either. Since you won't give any idea of what is going on to make it a cache it would appear to be just another sculpture submission that you cannot even use a GPS to find.

     

    Granted, I know there are offset caches and all, but walking up to coordinates and finding a virtual target or a tupperware box IS geocaching.

    Sorry I did not explain myself. You need a GPS to find...that is all of the details I will give....oh and it would be a virt.

     

    There are other types of caches...multi...mystery and so on. Not ALL all are walk up to the cords.

    Sorry I did not explain myself. Your cache has been archived...that is all of the details I will give....oh and it would be unarchived.

    Was this suppose to be something funny? Sorry...I missed your dry humor.

  5. That was not the reason it was not allowed.

    Yes. But you don't tell us WHY it wasn't allowed and since we can't see the cache page we have to guess.

     

    Possible guesses may include but are not limited to:


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    • too close to federal property
       
       
       
       
    • maintainance issues
       
       
       
       
    • low WOW! factor
       
       
       
       
    • could be used as a stage in a multi
       
       
       
       
    • grandfathered caches are not a reason to allow new caches with particular issues
       
       
       
       

    1. It is ON federal property.

    2. NO maintenance issues in a Virt.

    3. I think (any many other people) these sculptures are cool.

    4. If was a multi you would have to leave the airport (trying to stay away from that so travelers don't have that problem).

    5. The reason I was told that this cache would not be allowed was because (this is NOT an exact quote) GC was going away from caches that do not have a log book.

    I am familiar with the location (and I'm quite sure the approver is as well) and kayakanimal is correct in all his assertions. However, the statues in question, although cute, clearly lack the WOW factor required of a virtual, IMHO. I agree that it would make a nice diversion during a layover, but it just doesn't cut it as a virtual. Just my opinion.

    which one of the 9 in that area are you talking about?

    While I can't be sure which of the statues in the OIA parking garage you're talking about, I'm fairly familiar with the raccoons, bears, pigs, whatever, and just don't think those, or anything of that type rates a virtual. What I was trying to say was that, knowing the location to the degree I do, I don't think any of the points Bons brought up are an issue except the subjective one of the WOW factor. You asked and that's my opinion.

    Yes I did. And thanks.

     

    On another note...

    I remember reading some where that one of these things won some kind of award...I will try to find it if I can.

  6. Um, how do you get a GPS coordinate inside a parking garage? :blink:

    Sorry...that is going to be one of the "skills" for this cache. If I gave away what you needed to do here (if the cache ever got approved) it would give it away. This will not just be a "walk to these cords and see the whatever".

    Um, so it won't be geocaching. If you don't need your GPS, then it's not geocaching. As Keystone says, you just follow the big signs to the parking lot. The waypoint web sites would not accept these submissions either. Since you won't give any idea of what is going on to make it a cache it would appear to be just another sculpture submission that you cannot even use a GPS to find.

     

    Granted, I know there are offset caches and all, but walking up to coordinates and finding a virtual target or a tupperware box IS geocaching.

    Sorry I did not explain myself. You need a GPS to find...that is all of the details I will give....oh and it would be a virt.

     

    There are other types of caches...multi...mystery and so on. Not ALL all are walk up to the cords.

  7. My wife works for a small survey company. They have recently looked into GPS survey equipment which is said to be accurate down to 1 cm.

     

    Although it does use a base station to rebrodcast a corrected postion for the hand held unit. (i dont claim to know how it all works)

     

    course those systems run you about $10K so....

    Just a drop in the bucket for our fun!?!?!?

  8. Okay, I want to start by saying that I don't have an issue with micros as a general rule. They make it possible to geocache in places you might otherwise be able to, and you can still swap small stuff- coins, pins, whatever. But how do y'all feel about the log-only micros? The ones where it's a piece of paper stuffed somewhere clever with not even a golf pencil to sign it with? I tried for one the other day, but I stopped when I realized that:

    1) the park was nothing more than grass and a parking lot (nothing special by way of a view or historical significance)

    2) there would be nothing to trade when I got there

    3) and by logging it as found, I would be encouraging that person and others to do what seems like a real lame cache.

    I mean, is this the wave of the future? Look at how clever I can be about hiding a piece of paper? Why should people bother with those? Or am I the only one who thinks it's so lame?

    A few thoughts.

    1. I generally don't like micros.

    2. If you don't like them don't do them (just like virts...I LOVE them!)

    3. If a cache is lame I say so...no matter what type it is.

  9. I would be interested to read the exact response you received, kayak.

    Had to hunt down my old email for it but finally found it.

     

    Here is the quote:

    Thanks for the email. Based on the guidance we have been given for

    approving virtuals, it doesn't seem like this one is unique enough for a

    virtual cache. I've seen most of the displays and they are nice to look at.

    But I've also seen similar displays in other areas, granted they weren't in

    airports. I appreciate you checking before you put a lot of time into it

    and I'm sorry that it won't fly.

     

    I respect his opinion. I disagree, but I respect it.

     

    I have read in the forums that if a cache was not allowed by an approver, and you still think it should be, to voice your opinion here. This approver has not approved other caches I tried to make. I mostly understood/agreed with his decisions. I am sorry but I don't agree with this one.

     

    1. No physical caches on federal land. So why not a virt!?!?

    2. I and many others think these are very unique "sculptures"

    3. If you are on a layover here you will never see them.

     

    If the approvers in their infinite wisdom still say no to this cache, I will be glad to post the picture of this cache (security risk or not). I think most people will get a chuckle out of it.

     

    Kayakanimal

  10. I do not go to airports but it would seem to me this would be a place for virtuals just to prevent hassles from boxes and to give travelers a break when between planes. It might not be the toughest hunt you will ever go one but just something to break the monotony of the lay over.

     

    logscaler.

    But then it would need to be inside the security area. I mean, as long as it takes to get through airport security, I doubt people on a layover are going to go out and do a cache, and have to go back through security.........and then it's not easily accessibly for locals, or maintenance checks by the owner......

    check the link I had above for the cache at the Atlanta airport. MANY travlers did it. I did!

    I already stated that locals could get in and out in under 30 minutes with no charge. Easy to get in and out. I am near there frequently. EASY to check. MUCH easier than many other caches that I have found and own.

  11. Last week I tried to take a picture in Minneapolis at the airport of a group of German exchange students we had been hosting and was quickly told photos are NOT ALLOWED!!!  TSA/FAA regs were cited....fwiw

    They are not in the security screening area. This cache would be outside in a parking garage. No security issues there. No pictures would be needed for the cache.

    Just for info.

    Um, how do you get a GPS coordinate inside a parking garage? :blink:

    Sorry...that is going to be one of the "skills" for this cache. If I gave away what you needed to do here (if the cache ever got approved) it would give it away. This will not just be a "walk to these cords and see the whatever".

  12. That was not the reason it was not allowed.

    Yes. But you don't tell us WHY it wasn't allowed and since we can't see the cache page we have to guess.

     

    Possible guesses may include but are not limited to:


    •  
       
    • too close to federal property
       
       
    • maintainance issues
       
       
    • low WOW! factor
       
       
    • could be used as a stage in a multi
       
       
    • grandfathered caches are not a reason to allow new caches with particular issues
       
       

    1. It is ON federal property.

    2. NO maintenance issues in a Virt.

    3. I think (any many other people) these sculptures are cool.

    4. If was a multi you would have to leave the airport (trying to stay away from that so travelers don't have that problem).

    5. The reason I was told that this cache would not be allowed was because (this is NOT an exact quote) GC was going away from caches that do not have a log book.

    I am familiar with the location (and I'm quite sure the approver is as well) and kayakanimal is correct in all his assertions. However, the statues in question, although cute, clearly lack the WOW factor required of a virtual, IMHO. I agree that it would make a nice diversion during a layover, but it just doesn't cut it as a virtual. Just my opinion.

    which one of the 9 in that area are you talking about?

  13. I do not go to airports but it would seem to me this would be a place for virtuals just to prevent hassles from boxes and to give travelers a break when between planes. It might not be the toughest hunt you will ever go one but just something to break the monotony of the lay over.

     

    logscaler.

    But then it would need to be inside the security area. I mean, as long as it takes to get through airport security, I doubt people on a layover are going to go out and do a cache, and have to go back through security.........and then it's not easily accessibly for locals, or maintenance checks by the owner......

    check the link I had above for the cache at the Atlanta airport. MANY travlers did it. I did!

  14. Last week I tried to take a picture in Minneapolis at the airport of a group of German exchange students we had been hosting and was quickly told photos are NOT ALLOWED!!!  TSA/FAA regs were cited....fwiw

    They are not in the security screening area. This cache would be outside in a parking garage. No security issues there. No pictures would be needed for the cache.

    Just for info.

    You sure about that? Most parking garages at airports have video surveillance which is watched by some guard inside.

     

    I can only imagine that if people were taking pictures of the sculptures you listed (if that was a requirement), it might look fishy to a guard and there could be some potential problems.

     

    Just my two cents!

    I said no pictures would be required for this cache.

  15. I do not go to airports but it would seem to me this would be a place for virtuals just to prevent hassles from boxes and to give travelers a break when between planes. It might not be the toughest hunt you will ever go one but just something to break the monotony of the lay over.

     

    logscaler.

    Thank you logscaler.

    That is EXACTLY my point. Have fun on a layover. Cool!

    Thanks,

    Kayakanimal

  16. Last week I tried to take a picture in Minneapolis at the airport of a group of German exchange students we had been hosting and was quickly told photos are NOT ALLOWED!!! TSA/FAA regs were cited....fwiw

    They are not in the security screening area. This cache would be outside in a parking garage. No security issues there. No pictures would be needed for the cache.

    Just for info.

  17. 1. Not really a problem for a virt in an non secure area.

    2. Not exactly true, but mostly. Even sculpture and historical markers can be moved or changed.

    3. OK a valid point.

    4. Another valid point.

    5. Perhaps you should have quoted exactly; but in any case here is my take on where virts are going on gc.com.

    You need to show the cacher/visitor something they wouldn't necessarily find on their own without you taking them there. Wow factor needs to be substantial.

    Everyone driving into the parking decks will see these animals. I found many google links in one basic search.

    If this is the reason your approver gave then they should have done better.

    If you are paraphrasing then you have taken the rest of their explanition out of context.

     

    My suggestion is to get permission (it can be done) from an airport hotel for a micro or even a TB Hotel cache on theor property. Use the sculptures as a clue to get the true coords to that cache. This way you accomplish your goal of showing off the cool sculptures, travelers/visitors do not need to leave the airport area, nor pay a parking fee.

    Good Luck with your cache plans.

    Hotel is IN the airport. I asked about a micro...GM said sorry, no.

  18. 2. NO maintenance issues in a Virt.

    Are you sure? I've heard of sculptures being moved from time to time. I've also heard of plaques being stolen/vandalized. Virtuals need maintenance just like real caches do. You need to make sure it's still there, that the area isn't closed off, etc.

    You are correct. Maintenance would be no problem.

  19. I can only speculate, but it's possible that "Move to Last Location" was selected at some point, which moved the coin from the hands of the cacher back into the previous location. I just set the location back to Travlers2's posession, so things should be good now.

    Thanks VERY much.

  20. That was not the reason it was not allowed.

    Yes. But you don't tell us WHY it wasn't allowed and since we can't see the cache page we have to guess.

     

    Possible guesses may include but are not limited to:

    • too close to federal property
    • maintainance issues
    • low WOW! factor
    • could be used as a stage in a multi
    • grandfathered caches are not a reason to allow new caches with particular issues

    1. It is ON federal property.

    2. NO maintenance issues in a Virt.

    3. I think (any many other people) these sculptures are cool.

    4. If was a multi you would have to leave the airport (trying to stay away from that so travelers don't have that problem).

    5. The reason I was told that this cache would not be allowed was because (this is NOT an exact quote) GC was going away from caches that do not have a log book.

  21. I think one problem is that an owner needs to maintain their caches, *even if they're virtual*. If the cache is past security and you need a ticket, how would you be able to check up on the cache easily?

    This cache is outside of security.

     

    And...in this parking area, if you don't stay more than 30 minutes there is no charge.

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