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Hello Geocoin Troll, we may think you are a mystery geocoin person, we wonder if you are a comming to visit Mountain, Wisconsin? We could use some sunshine and happy days here in our neck of the woods. Have a great day, and Happy 4th of July weekend, as we plan on visiting to Lower Michigan, so we shall be in your neck of the woods under the Mackinaw Brisge so we will be a troll for a few days. HeHeHe Barry and Valarie of sweetlife Please take this to another thread as it has nothing to do with these coins. There are plenty of other places for it.

Let me be clear the time out I referred to was people posting off topic to get a thread closed instead of allowing the truth to be spoken. I feel those people should get the time out and not the thread getting closed. I don't think a time out would work for designers who rip people off. I also don't think it would be fair to have GC police them in this manner. The time outs in the forums are for crimes committed here, not as a punishement for something that happens outside of here, even if initial contact was made through here.

This is the exact reason we need something to rely on for feedback. Most people are too timid, or not forceful enough to broadcast who took their money and ran with it. Most people here are 100% on the up and up, but it only takes one or two to do alot of damage. Since we mostly rely on emails and such for exchanges, we don't know the person on the other end as much as we thing we do. Heck for the most part most of us wouldn't recognize the people from the forums anymore than the people at the grocery store. A little protection would be nice.

Now do you think they would give you the names of the people they stiffed or took over a year to design a coin for?

Dallas. Yuck!

Usually the thread gets locked for going OT or for it starting to be too personal. I would rather see the offending party get a time out instead of ruining the feedback for the general community. I know of at least one person who uses the OT as a way to get the threads he doesn't agree with locked.

You do realize this coin is owned by Groundspeak and you shouldn't sell a trackable coin owned by someone else.

Let me start by saying that I want to keep this as a general thread as much as possible. At the very least keep it within the guidelines. We all know you can come here and find a person to design a coin for you, but what we lack is a way to get honest feedback as to how these people are to work with. It seems anytime a thread is started about something negative, it gets shut down. While we would all like to think everyone here is 100% positive, that's just not the reality of life. This community is made up of people from all walks of life, and even we can have a few bad apples. It is like a cache. The good and bad feedback will both help paint an honest picture of the cache, while only the positive will never give you a true sense of what you are getting into. So the question is...Has it come time to get a rating system, or at the very least, an honest feedback system like the caches use to know more about designers? Sure someone may design a nice coin, but have they been known to stiff people out of their money? Have they taken an excessive amount of time to deliver what was promised? Have they taken your ideas and created a coin of their own afterwards without your knowledge or permission? Things like this go very far when you are putting your money in someones pocket for a job to be done. When it comes to things like this, the negatives can far out weigh a few super duper design. If we can't discuss them in the forums without it being considered a personal attack, then do we need a new avenue to do this? I personally believe the moment you stopped being a community member and began being a buisness you lose the protection of the forums from accussations that are suported by facts, and the community has a right, no a need to know. It is no different than the "feedback" given to Garmin and Magellan in the other forums. People have a right to complain about the service they receive when dealing with these companies, so why not here? I am interested in this since I am looking at several coins to be designed in the very short future, and am not sure who I will be using. Since I have worked with only 2 artists in the past, I would like to informed before I choose someone to give my money to. So what are your thoughts? Has it come time to have a place to go to get honest information about the people we are dealing with?

I don't see where the copyright issue was addressed. Can someone answer this? Can the producer of the coins answer this now since he is back?

Why? You made a profit off of them so why can't someone else? They took the risk of buying extras and placing them for sale not knowing if they would make their money back or not. These were commercial coins, not some personal coin that were only available through trades. I dunno, I guess I just get jealous that they are getting more than I did for them No biggie, though, like I said, I actually do see it as a compliment, so I'm not complaining! Naomi Please correct me if I am wrong, but the shield and ax were adaptations of something that already existed. In fact they were done from pictures of the actual tools of war. The lighthouses came from published stained glass patterns, IE someone else's art. So if we are worried about people making money from someone else's art and such, wouldn't calling them the Artist Edition be a little bit of a gray area?

Clarity. If you buy a Car on eBay you expect it to have a motor because it came with one when new. Coins sold in a set, mentioned as a set, but sold individually should be clearly called out as being only one coin out of a larger set. I've been looking a laptops on eBay. Every now and then I find motherboards for sale. Nice. But motherboards come with a lot of parts attached. The auctions are normally careful to describe what used to be attached that isn't attached now...but some are not clear at all what's included out of what could have been included. It gets back to clarity so you know what you are bidding on. That has got to be the worst analogy I have ever seen. A car expected to come with a motor? But these are 2 seperate coins with seperate tracking numbers! If you want to use the car analogy, it would be buying a car, with a title, and a trailer, with a title. You bought them as a set. Since when would you be required to keep them as both? If you decide to sell one, would you be required to state it in the eBay ad that you bought these in a set and now you are selling them alone? Would the seller to you have the right to complain when you unhooked the car from the trailer causing some time of seperation anxiety? Gimmie a break. These are two coins with seperate numbers to which the person who owns them has the right to do anything they want with them.

Why? You made a profit off of them so why can't someone else? They took the risk of buying extras and placing them for sale not knowing if they would make their money back or not. These were commercial coins, not some personal coin that were only available through trades.

It's not a paper coin. It's nothing. People don't get up in arms about it, they are just tired of fake pretend stuff. When someone discovers a coin, it should be the coin. Not some Xerox copy of a coin while the coin is hundreds of miles away. That's a joke. I can't believe you can't see the difference between moving a coin and moving a piece of paper. I always thought it was a simple distinction.

Congrats on your coin. While there are no sure fire ways to protect a coin from being stolen, anymore than there are of protecting a cache from being stolen, there are ways to "help" ensure it is a good traveller. One of the more common ways is to drill a hole in the coin and place a tag onto it stating it is a traveller. A hole in the coin will take away from someone stealing it for their collection. You could also send it to Europe. Seems they travel better there than here. Please don't fall into the group of people who simply put a piece of paper out there and pretend it's the same thing as the actual coin. No one gets excited over a piece of paper with a picture of a coin on it as some might lead you to believe. I assume you want your coin logs to be accurate, and to live vicariously through the coins travels. If so then a log of "discovered" would be meaningless since you would be looking at the coin that someone is saying they found. Pretty lame huh. Since the coin was a prize and you wouldn't be out anything for releasing it, even if it came up missing, I would say go for it. Give it a mission and hope for the best. AS with anything there are no guarentees, but tht is also some of the fun of it, the mystery. Take the risk, it's only a coin. Just have fun with it.

There was a Breast Cancer Awareness coin done sometime ago that used the trademarked pink ribbon. GACacher was behind that one so I am sure he could advise you on using the trademarked logo and how he went about getting permission to use it so you aren't violating anything copyrighted. Good luck.

I don't think selling a coin that was only bought in a set is being deceptive. It's up to the buyers to educate themselves a little and not place all the blame on the sellers. I don't know who was selling this or anything else, but it wouldn't matter either. As long as the coin was described correctly, then it's legit. Just because some people wish to see these remain in sets, well that's pretty unrealistic. I have a coin that was only sold in a set. I didn't want the set, but really wanted 1 out of the 3 that were sold, so thats what I bought off eBay. I was thankful for the chance at this coin. Coins are sold in sets for alot of reasons, and not all are as glamorous as we would like to think. The first being the maker wants to ensure they sell X number of coins of both. They don't stuck with 125 shields if what everyone really wanted was the axes. Just using this coin as the example and not implying that was the reason these were sold as a set.

Sounds like two seperate coins then. I am missing what the big deal about them being split is. If they were released to travel, we don't really think they would remain together do we?

How sweet it is! Today I was lucky enough to grab ahold of a dark knight coin. The most fun part was trying to wrestle coin #69 away from the Radioactive Coconut, who tried to claim this one as hers. Silly girl, bats are for boys! I distracted her with some Bath & Body Works coupons and it was mine at last. Thank you your Darkness. I won't part with this coin even when hell freezes over, which I heard has happened rather recently!

Are the shield and axe both individually trackable or just the set is trackable as one unit?

Hey. Anthus only has 6 letters. Hmmm. Coincidence? For the extra $13 per 50 coins, I would be game.

While I understand where you are coming from, you have to understand a few things. If you trade the coin, then you lose all rights to it. It's not the same as gifting a coin to someone. It will sting the first time, and probably even the second. But remember that you gave value for value so it is not much different than had you sold the coin to some person. Also you must remember that someone might be selling your coin on eBay 2 years down the road. I doubt they will be taking the time to find who they traded what coin with and so forth. It's just unrealistic. I know this isn't what you wanted to hear, but you are going to get your feelings hurt if you put unrealistic expectations on these coins. Good luck though.

No that is their/our opinion. When you start letting your feelings get involved with this, then you emotionailize it an take it as an attack. That is not the speaker's fault but rather your own perception's fault. We can't be blamed for that. Even you admit it is a stretch. We are talking about classifications. These forums are like an outline and things that fall better under one heading here rather than there go here. The last I checked there was no rankings, ratings, or feelings about who was more important or anything else. What's next? Changing the way we classify dinosaurs because they won't all feel equal? I know you are smatrter than that so why are you really making such a fuss about nothing? It helps by allowing the half of the community that has no interest in these threads to not have to deal with them at all. It better sets up an area where people who choose to use the forums as a social avenue more than a collecting avenue, the ability to do so. It streamlines an area that is more active than alot of other areas on GC. It allows a new cacher who comes here the ability to slowly adjust to what we all know can be a completely overbearing experience. It allows us to quickly search for relevant topics as classified by the header. I could go on, but I am sure you won't find any weight in anything I were to say anyhow, but I would open you would try to be open enough to this. It can't hurt the cointests and missions, so there is nothing to lose. Staying under one umbrella, I will bet there comes more rules attache with them. so which would you prefer? Your own section with liberties, or staus quo with more rules to abide by?

How is it an attack to give a group of people, to which size can only speculate as to, their own area to do whatever they want? That is an attack? I think that is a bit of a stretch, now don't you? Lets not blow this out of proportion. Maybe this would be better. How would it HURT the community to have a seperate area for these missions and cointests?

I assume you use the word you in a general sense since this is not about any one person, and certainly one person isn't going to make the decision on what/if anything gets split up. Personally I would have had mystery coins in the general discussions group at the begining. In the past 6 months I would probably say it would be better served in the other area since they have become quite common. You can't buy them, usually can't trade for them, and generally they are mostly a feel good thing. I can make a case for either area, so I don't care either way too much.

In your eyes perhaps. Of course it's my opinion silly. Didn't you see my name before my post with my words? It's not like I was logged in under someone else's name pretending to be them and saying things. You crack me up.