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Ken in Regina

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  1. Hi Nevgar,


    Fancy running into you over here! ;)


    Yes, you can load City Navigator maps - either NT or non-NT - onto your 60. BUT...


    (There's always a "but", isn't there? :laughing: )


    I don't recall how much internal memory the 60 has but you might not be able to load a lot of map data onto it. I had an eTrex Venture HC once, for about half an hour before I traded it for a Legend HCx with memory card. The Venture has around 24MB of internal memory available for maps and I found that to be too limiting for me. But that's because I'm lazy and would rather just load all of Canada once and be done with it.


    For your trip to the UK you might find it okay if you can select map segments that will fit on your 60. I don't know how the UK/Ireland maps are segmented.


    Of course this isn't an issue with your 76CSx. You can just buy a bigger card if you need to (Yeah, I know you don't want to buy more toys but it's just a memory card...).


    If you're really bent on dragging both handhelds along and using the maps on both, you will need to buy a second unlock code. The DVD only comes with a single unlock code so you can only use the maps on a single device without buying another unlock code.


    That's the advantage of the micro-SD/SD card maps that you have coming, if only your 60 could use the card. Once you have the card you can use it in any Garmin device you want without multiple unlock codes. But you can't use the maps on the SD card product in your 60 because it doesn't have a card slot. And you can't use those maps in Mapsource either. You need the DVD product for use in Mapsource and to load maps into the 60 ... and multiple unlock codes for multiple devices. ;)


    Regarding the difference between NT maps and non-NT maps, they both do autorouting on any device that supports it. The only difference is the compression technology. The NT maps are more highly compressed. The result is that the segments cover a larger surface area so there are usually fewer segments in a mapset for the same coverage. This has a couple of impacts.


    When you are trying to load a mapset with a very large coverage area with loads of detail, you can keep the segment count below the limit of the nav software. This was often a problem with non-NT maps.


    In your case, depending on the segmentation of the UK, the larger segments might create a difficulty loading them to the internal memory of the 60. The only way to know this is to have a list of the map segments in the UK/Ireland mapset and their individual sizes.


    Non-NT maps have smaller segment sizes so it usually takes more segments, and more memory, to get the same coverage. Otherwise there's no functional difference. They are the same mapset, just compressed with different technology.


    I hope that all made some sense.


    I still think you should just ditch the 60 and use the 76CSx for the trip. You can use either the SD card map product or the DVD maps in it. And it makes your gadget bag smaller and lighter. :P



  2. EPE is one thing, but the original poster said that he's always 50 - 100 ft away from the actual cache location when he finds it. That's quite a different issue.


    Correct, except that the estimated probable error also applies to the cache location. If the user is interested in checking the accuracy of his gpsr, he should be comparing the reading against the coordinates for a benchmark, not a geocache.

    Yes, of course that's the correct answer. Verify the accuracy properly.


    In this situation a discussion of EPE wasn't particularly relevant without an explanation of how it relates to the problem at hand. It does relate but nobody bothered to explain that.


    The way it relates is that every device has some inaccuracy. The manufacturer describes it in each device's detailed specs. Each manufacturer does the calculation for EPE differently, sometimes even between models from the same manufacturer. And when the EPE says a specific distance of inaccuracy, say 3 metres, that doesn't just mean it's in a circle with a radius of 3 metres centred on the current physical location, there's also a probability involved. That probability varies among manufacturers, just as the calculation method does. But you can usually be safe assuming the probability is at least 50% that the lat/long coordinates being shown will be within that circle. And nearly 50% that they won't.


    So if the person who placed the cache is out by 3 metres, EPE, and the person seeking the cache is out by 3 metres, EPE, the person seeking the cache could be out by anywhere from 1.5 metres to 6 metres, depending upon which direction both EPEs were out from the real location.


    But given the decidedly fictional nature of manufacturers' EPE calculations, I still suggest it's an irrelevant discussion when it comes to issues of accuracy. The only thing that will help anyone understand why they're not closer to a cache than they expected to be is for them to check their GPS against something with a known good accuracy, like a benchmark.





  3. Any GPS, including DeLorme, will work just fine in Canada. But DeLorme has no Canadian maps so if you're interested in having maps in your new GPS get something besides a DeLorme.


    Some of the Garmin units have complete paperless caching and Garmin has a number of choices for maps that include Canadian coverage. Or you can get the Ibycus Canadian topos for free if you have a Garmin unit.



  4. EPE is one thing, but the original poster said that he's always 50 - 100 ft away from the actual cache location when he finds it. That's quite a different issue.


    He said he has "an older eTrex and Venture". He didn't say which one gives him this problem, the older eTrex or the Venture. And he didn't say if it's in clear open area or under heavy tree cover or in city "canyons" or other poor reception conditions.


    Are the older eTrex models noted for poor accuracy in general? ... in specific difficult conditions like tree cover, etc.?



  5. ...

    In fairness, at least a third of the time I have received literate and useful responses by email from Garmin....


    I find this true of most email support. Too bad because it's my prefered method. I especially dislike sending them the steps I've taken and the results I've gotten in trying to solve the problem only to have them send back a new list consisting of most of the steps they already had answers too.

    I know exactly what you mean. I performed, and later managed, internal tech support for nearly twenty years so I know the standard troubleshooting process. I've done enough beta testing for various products that I also know the generic troubleshooting processes that are standard at virtually every commercial help desk. I know what knowledgeable techs are looking for in a trouble report; I've answered the same set of questions a thousand times.


    So it really picks me when I get sent a list of tests to perform that is a virtual mirror image of the list of tests and results I just submitted. It really makes you want to tear your hair out. ... And say rude things about the experience to anyone who will listen.


    It's too bad the marketing folks don't pay more attention to the impressions the tech support operation is making on existing customers and how many sales it may be costing them. Tech support contacts with customers are second only to advertising contacts and probably leave a stronger impression of the "goodness" of the product.


    This is one area where some automobile companies have it all over the electronics industries. When I take my car in for service, whether it's routine maintenance or repairs, I always get a followup phone call or email to see how my service experience was. This gives them a gauge of my happiness with both the product and the support. From the questions they ask, it's clear that they care at least as much about my service experience as they do about my impression of the vehicle quality.


    This is a subject that's pretty much right on topic because the most common question in this section of the forum is "Help, which GPS should I buy?" Many of the folks asking that question will be basing their final selection on our tech support experiences with various manufacturers as well as the technical goodies contained in the devices.



  6. Sorry, I must have missed something. I saw nothing insulting in the original post. Or did something get deleted that I missed?

    Probably because a helpful moderator edited away the inappropriate name calling.

    Fair enough. If that was the case, my apology for the diatribe.



  7. It's unfortunate that they were not helpful to you, but using insulting language isn't appropriate here.

    Sorry, I must have missed something. I saw nothing insulting in the original post. Or did something get deleted that I missed?


    I have often had the same reaction to email replies from Garmin tech support ... eg. that it's really a 'bot response. The alternatives seem only two: 1) the responder couldn't be bothered to actually read the trouble report or 2) the responder is technically untrained or illiterate in English or both.


    Are there other explanations that would create a context in which the original post would be considered insulting rather than a simple analytical observation?


    In fairness, at least a third of the time I have received literate and useful responses by email from Garmin.


    On the occasions I have phoned to talk to a human, my positive responses go up to at least 80%. Eg. only 20% of my human voice contacts with Garmin have left me feeling that I just dealt with a robot or a human who was either technically ignorant or did not care.


    And in further fairness to Garmin, they are far from having a monopoly on email tech support that sometimes seems to come from bots. Intuit (Quicken) email support is actually much much worse. When you try to phone them the first thing they want is your credit card number. And they have the audacity to refer to it as "Customer Support".


    At least Garmin's telephone tech support is free.


    So, To Splashy, cheer up ... it could be a lot worse.



  8. I have the Ibyscus topo maps and the bluechart on microsd. Here are my questions:


    1) Is it possible to load both set on one microsd card (I don't want to have to change microsd cards in a kayak)

    Hi Theirry,


    I apologize for being negative and contradicting anafong's answer but I don't think you are going to be able to do what you want to do with what you have.


    anafong's answer is only correct if you got Bluecharts on DVD. If so, you can use Mapsource to create a single mapset containing map segments from both Ibycus and Bluecharts and download it to your microSD card.




    ... Things are never that simple, are they??!


    If you bought Bluecharts on a microSD card rather than the DVD version there isn't a thing you can do with them other than plug the microSD card into your unit and use them.


    The maps that are sold on microSD cards will not load into Mapsource so you cannot combine them with any other maps like you can if you get the DVD version.


    So, if you got the DVD version of Bluecharts, you're cooking.


    If you got the microSD version of Bluecharts, no joy.



  9. I bought the Legend HCx. Here's my reasoning:


    - If you don't have, and maybe never used, a real compass, why would you spend the money on an electronic one in the unit?


    - If you already have, and use, a real compass, why would you spend the money on an electronic one in the unit?


    - If you already have, and don't use, a real compass, why would you spend the money on an electronic one in the unit?


    - If you have never thought much about a real compass and have to ask why you would need the electronic one in the Vista, why would you spend the money on it?


    Since buying the Legend HCx I have not once regretted the decision. Regarding the above questions, I have a good real compass and never use it.



  10. I have to echo StarBrand. I have a Legend HCx. I have done some testing to compare it to other GPS receivers using GPS navigation software on my laptop and my netbook. I have tested using Garmin Mobile PC, Garmin nRoute, MS Streets&Trips, DeLorme Street Atlas and iNav iGuidance. I tested using the Legend HCx, a Garmin GPS10x, i.Trek M7, the Pharos 500 that came with Streets&Trips, and a GlobalSat BU-353.


    All of these receivers have modern GPS technology in them. The Legend HCx is the best of the bunch at acquiring and holding a location fix in good or very difficult conditions.



  11. I have found the uptade page for the maps on the Garmin website. You have to either connect your GPSr to your computer or enter the serial number from the box that the discs come in.

    That only works to update the maps that came preloaded on your device. Does, or did, any Garmin device ever come with Topo Canada preloaded?



  12. I guess I already consider myself "paperless" since my little junior just brings up the 20 closest caches to wherever you turn it on at. But, I have no idea what I'm looking for til I get home & go to enter them on here!

    Yeah. A program like Cachemate or similar on the Palm would change that. Instead of waiting to get on here to find out what you couldn't find and why (!!!), you could have the detailed description with you so when you decide to hunt for one of those twenty nearby caches, you could look up the details on the Palm right there on the spot. Then, when you find it, or not, you can enter the find, or not, and your comments right on the Palm, on the spot, and let Cachemate upload the results on here when you get back.


    Of course only you can decide whether that's anything that interests you. :D



  13. An old Palm is a good Palm. :D Most people stick Cachemate or something similar on it so they can carry the detailed descriptions and hints and puzzle clues around with them. That stuff doesn't fit on most GPS receivers. So you would put the location and cache name/number on your GPS and put all the other stuff on the Palm. That way you can go "paperless".


    Some of the programs, like Cachemate, allow you to keep track of your finds, add comments, upload the find results to Groundspeak for online tracking, delete found caches from the Palm database and other similar sorts of cache management functions.


    Many people find that for outdoor use the older/cheaper monochrome Palms are better than the ones with colour screens for outdoor use.


    Go ahead. Dig it out. Fire it up. Download Cachemate or something similar and figure out how to use it. If nothing else, it's handy for keeping your addressbook and datebook if you are, or think you want to be, an organized person.


    If nothing else, if you find it useful for something, cache-related or otherwise, it will give you a really good excuse to get something newer and flashier!!!! :D



  14. I'm pretty sure Topo Canada v4 is not available for download. Even if it is, and even if you have high speed internet, you probably don't want to. Topo Canada v2 came on four loaded CDs. I'm sure that with the extra street and address and POI data Topo Canada v4 is even larger.


    EDIT: I suppose I have to mention that I meant downloading it legally.



  15. I know how to use the find functions. I was just wondering if there was a way that i could search for roads. I have not been able to find a way.

    Okay. I checked in Mapsource and the only thing you can search in Topo Canada v2 is City names and Features (lakes, rivers, parks, etc.). You can't search any address or intersection stuff. That includes roads and streets.



  16. I recently got a Garmin Legend HCx and have the Canadian Topo maps loaded onto it. I can't find any way to search for roads. I was wondering if there is a way to search for roads?


    Do you mean that you can't find the search function on the Legend? Just press the upper right button multiple times or the lower left button twice to get to the Main Menu. Then use the navigation stick to select the Find icon and press on the navigation stick to select it. You'll find all the search options there.


    Or do you mean that you know how to search with the Legend Find menu but you're not getting results? I'm pretty sure that addresses and streets and roads are not searchable in Topo Canada, only Cities and "features" like lakes and rivers and mountains and such. I only have Topo Canada v2. I don't have v4 yet, so I don't know about it.



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