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Now that's rebellion. Who said I was rebelling? mmrrmmmph. Hey man, if you don't like what I have to say, Tell me or butt out. You just have nothing further to say on this subject, and are resulting to insults. Who called whom a troll? I would suggest you heed your own advice.

My answer applies to banned on both geocaching.com and the forums. The more common banning (that I can see...) is is for the forums only. My own experience is 3 to 1 in favor of the forums. I feel the fourth one is impending.

Now that's rebellion. Who said I was rebelling? mmrrmmmph.

Now that's rebellion.

If that's what it takes... Back when virts were still being listed and after they started requiring "wow" that's exactly what happened. The number of new virts dropped dramatically and the quality went up considerably. Folks really enjoyed the new virts because of the quality. Go figure. "If that's what it takes" .... ? Eliminate all micros, you mean? I know you're not seriously proposing a ban on all micros – the removal of an entire category of very popular caches, taking them away from everybody – just to get rid of some caches that you, personally, might not enjoy ... are you? I would second that motion. Really? You favor a ban on micros? You think it’s more reasonable to forcibly and permanently withhold micros from everyone, including the people who enjoy them, than to take responsibility for your own filtering? Are you aware just how easy it is to ignore all micros with a single click of your mouse? Even if you don't give a crap about others' preferences, why would you want to make more work for yourself? Isn't it more work to press for a ban than to click your mouse? Actually I would suggest that they be moved to their own site. Things of such exceptional value should be given their home where they could blossom unfettered, a "microtopia" if you will. Nice troll. I'm serious.

If that's what it takes... Back when virts were still being listed and after they started requiring "wow" that's exactly what happened. The number of new virts dropped dramatically and the quality went up considerably. Folks really enjoyed the new virts because of the quality. Go figure. "If that's what it takes" .... ? Eliminate all micros, you mean? I know you're not seriously proposing a ban on all micros – the removal of an entire category of very popular caches, taking them away from everybody – just to get rid of some caches that you, personally, might not enjoy ... are you? I would second that motion. Really? You favor a ban on micros? You think it’s more reasonable to forcibly and permanently withhold micros from everyone, including the people who enjoy them, than to take responsibility for your own filtering? Are you aware just how easy it is to ignore all micros with a single click of your mouse? Even if you don't give a crap about others' preferences, why would you want to make more work for yourself? Isn't it more work to press for a ban than to click your mouse? Actually I would suggest that they be moved to their own site. Things of such exceptional value should be given their home where they could blossom unfettered, a "microtopia" if you will.

If that's what it takes... Back when virts were still being listed and after they started requiring "wow" that's exactly what happened. The number of new virts dropped dramatically and the quality went up considerably. Folks really enjoyed the new virts because of the quality. Go figure. "If that's what it takes" .... ? Eliminate all micros, you mean? I know you're not seriously proposing a ban on all micros – the removal of an entire category of very popular caches, taking them away from everybody – just to get rid of some caches that you, personally, might not enjoy ... are you? I would second that motion.

There are ways to stop it. There are even more ways to get around it. I agree. There is no way Groundspeak could tell if a banned person created a new account. I supposes someone might be able 'suspect' it by tracking caches found and doing some sort of log analysis for word patterns. But, if they have resources to do that, they would be better utilized elsewhere. Not at all true. While a well-schooled and dedicated person with some extra cash and resources could find a way to get around these measures, there are several ways -- beyond the cumbersome methods listed in your post -- to easily detect if a banned member were to attempt to re-join, and, in fact, the record shows clearly that a great number of such attempts have been detected and deflected by Groundspeak. I am not speaking hypothetically here, but rather from long experience. I operate over 34 email list groups and forums, with membership totaling tens of thousands of members, and some of these venues cover topics which tend to attract hotheads, fanatics and flamers, and my moderators and I ban at least a few of people per day from these venues. My best estimate is that, using the methods that I have referenced above, my moderators and I catch over 95% of the banned members who try to sneak back in; the other 5% almost invariably give themselves away within a couple of weeks via their insane online behaviors, and they too are dealt with appropriately when we realize that they are a "rogue dog" that needs to be quickly and quietly euthanized. Going to the public library is free and less than cumbersome.

There are ways to stop it. There are even more ways to get around it.

..because the owner of the site was? The Pledge Key phrase: "But the traditional game will remain purely free." Jeremy actually leaves himself more than one "out" in that "pledge." Is that post really genuine? Not that I have any reason to doubt it -- other than the fact that it looks like something anyone could have created. I think the original is located in the National Archives under tight security with access limited to those who petition through the Freedom of Information Act. You'll have to settle for this electronic version on such short notice.

..because the owner of the site was? The Pledge

That's exactly who I was talking about. No names, of course. This must have been the time I had to study a lot of Icelandic.

This?

TUBE TORCHER II

....because they are flammable Burning Micro IV - GC1EEWN

Don't mind if I do: OMG Brian, is your micro hidden on the side of a CAR?!?!? Are moving caches allowed again? Shhh!!!! It's still in beta, but word is getting out.

You could do it once and then set a bookmark on your browser.

Where would we be without WalMart?

Face it, there are plenty of such fairytales to go around - how is pestering people to believe yours "helping" them? If you're so confident in yourself why don't step out of that fairy tale sock puppet in which you're hiding.

Thanks for clarifying the misinformation found on this thread.

I have no idea, I wasn't there. I was in Yosemite. Sounds like you weren't either. The fact that we weren't there, doesn't mean it wasn't.

You are correct. Not allowed at the events or not allowed to be posted on the listing? I've been to events that had 50/50s to win donated geo-items and raise money to pay for the actual event costs. Is that any different than event hosts selling geocoins at a profit to raise money to cover event costs? The only thing they could do is prevent you from listing it on the event page, but they obviously can't stop you from doing it at an event. There are a lot of things that go on at events that are "against" the guidelines. You are correct about not being on the listing page, but I don't know about the second part of that. I know that events I have been to have followed the guidelines at that time. I've seen pocket caches, but not since they were decided to be against the guidelines. Maybe this is something that goes on in your area, but at least I haven't seen it as I have been around the country. I have attended event caches in Georgia, Colorado, Alabama, Tennessee, Maryland, Utah and Washington. I also attended the 1st national event cache, GeoWoodstock, GW II Event in Nashville, GW III in Jacksonville, FL, GW 4 in Dallas, TX, GW 5 in Raleigh, NC and GW 6 in Sacramento, CA. There was a 50/50 that went for over $500 at the Friday Meet and Greet Event of GWVI from my understanding.

You are correct. Not allowed at the events or not allowed to be posted on the listing? I've been to events that had 50/50s to win donated geo-items and raise money to pay for the actual event costs. Is that any different than event hosts selling geocoins at a profit to raise money to cover event costs? The only thing they could do is prevent you from listing it on the event page, but they obviously can't stop you from doing it at an event. There are a lot of things that go on at events that are "against" the guidelines.

GIT-R-DUMB Burning Micro IV Wilfrod Brimley's Diabetic Nickel Exchange

There is an easier way to do this that involves no math. On the travel bug page, in the upper right hand corner, you will see "View in Google Earth" When prompted to open the KML file, open it in wordpad or some other text editor as opposed to "Google Earth" At the bottom of all the lines of codes you will find a list of coords for all the moves, like this: -91.4756,44.8164,100 -90.641,44.9523,100 -90.6453,44.9439,100 -90.6454,44.9442,100 -87.9112,44.8243,100 They are formatted backwards in that the East/West are first then North/South. The minuses (-) being west and south. The last one should be the current location. You can get burned if it the first stage to a multi or a puzzle or something other than a traditional. So this bug for example "Birkebeiner Travel Bug" would be in N 44.8242 W 87.9112 or Drinking Pensaukee "West Shores Series"