cb12374

there is a cache listed by a river not to far from me that probably washed down stream when the river flooded shortly after the last time it was found. there are 9 did not finds listed now and when I went to the cache owners page I found out that they haven't been on sense 12-16-06. is there a way to get the cache archived?

Hi cb12374 we are from Coldwater, Mi and would be happy to try and help you figure out why your caches are being denied you can either post it on here or e-mail us through GC.com. (gc1g7gc) this is one of the caches that I tried to place. I put a note on it to the reviewer that it was about 50 feet from the tracks and that there is no need to cross them to find the cache. which is what I was told I had to do to get it approved. if you you look at a cache on hwy 131 5 miles north of three rivers it is just as close. and got approved. and if you follow the tracks north into Kalamazoo you will see several others. there was a cache that I tried to place on the edge of a friends field along 131 that was about 60 feet off the hwy. I let the reviewer know and posted it on the page that you could park in the drive for the field that is on the side street. and that one got denied for being to close to the hwy. but if you look along 131 and I94 there are several that are anywhere from 20 to 50 feet off the hwy and some you have to park on the shoulder to get. so what was I doing wrong?

can someone in the area of three rivers, or Kalamazoo, mi. please help me figure out why caches that I place get denied but the same thing that my cache got denied for doesn't seem to apply to other caches.

you sent me a pm? is that a personle message? if so i didn't get it

Thanks for pointing this out, and I was aware of that fact when writing my post, but I also considered the fact that in real life, anyone who works with wood in a shop, or even as a casual carpenter, would never bother to call such activities by the name "machining" -- except perhaps when working with some very hard exotic hardwoods (such as ironwood, which I use here sometimes... amazing stuff...) which are as hard as steel -- and rather, anyone halfway familiar with working wood would tend to use the terms "working", milling, or "turning", as you said. So, I chose not to bother to mention that possibility! However, I am still rather taken aback that the OP suddenly tried to shift the focus of the thread to the topic of machining metal! I guess that she/he got embarrassed at having their secret agenda discovered, and wanted to change the topic really quickly! . I didn't change the subject. I said that I never thought that a fence may be the difference that I didn't think about as to why my cache got denied and the others approved. and there was no secret agenda. just someone trying to get answers. so excuse me for not being the most eloquent speaker on the plaint. and for wording things wrong. Don't let it bother you, just live and learn!! If you make it down to the Jackson area or below, give me a yell and I'll join you for some caching!!! And, if you already haven't check into MiGO, we're here if you'd like to join in! well I'm trying not to let it get to me. but it seems like no matter how I phrase it or anything when I ask a question about a cache as to why it got approved and a similar cache of mine gets denied and I try to find out why so I can learn what I'm doing wrong I piss everyone off and get called a cache cop. when all I'm trying to do is get a better understanding of what I may have over looked. and as far as getting south of Jackson goes I live by three rivers, MI. Best way to find your answers would be to read the guidelines for placement and, if you have questions, ask Rusty. Rusty really is a great reviewer, he's helpful and very knowledgeable of the cache placement guidelines!! I tend to avoid the reviewers do to the last time something like this happened I asked a reviewer what the difference was and he refused to discus it with me and just got all pissed off because I didn't have a perfect understand of the guidelines. and I did read them. and when I find a spot to place a cache I try to find a cache that is placed under the circumstances and conditions to review and use as a model for mine to insure that I didn't misunderstand anything. and that I'm not doing anything wrong. but when there's something as simple as a fence evolved that makes the difference and I over look that and everyone thinks that I have a secret agenda when I use a published cache as an example as to why it isn't braking the law or rules and mine was I get called a cache cop and I piss everyone off and they intern say things that piss me off like accusing me of having a secret agenda. so in other words it seems that almost everyone in this sport would rather get all pissed off it people that are trying to learn instead of helping them. I think you just hit a nerve with some people. Just shake it off. I can see why you'd be confused after reading this thread. If a cache is really in the center of that above photo with the idiot illegally parked, then it seems clear that it would violate the guidelines. I would contact your friendly local reviewer.....and be friendly! first of all the photo is not of the cache that I was referring to. but it is a fine example of how the reviewers will let one cache slide do to the loose guidelines but use them to stop another. if it applies to one it should apply to all. and if there's a special circumstance that a catcher enquires about people shouldn't get all upset and refuse to answer the question. they should help them understand what that circumstance is for future reference. but apparently that is to much to ask for from most of the people on this sport.

Thanks for pointing this out, and I was aware of that fact when writing my post, but I also considered the fact that in real life, anyone who works with wood in a shop, or even as a casual carpenter, would never bother to call such activities by the name "machining" -- except perhaps when working with some very hard exotic hardwoods (such as ironwood, which I use here sometimes... amazing stuff...) which are as hard as steel -- and rather, anyone halfway familiar with working wood would tend to use the terms "working", milling, or "turning", as you said. So, I chose not to bother to mention that possibility! However, I am still rather taken aback that the OP suddenly tried to shift the focus of the thread to the topic of machining metal! I guess that she/he got embarrassed at having their secret agenda discovered, and wanted to change the topic really quickly! . I didn't change the subject. I said that I never thought that a fence may be the difference that I didn't think about as to why my cache got denied and the others approved. and there was no secret agenda. just someone trying to get answers. so excuse me for not being the most eloquent speaker on the plaint. and for wording things wrong. Don't let it bother you, just live and learn!! If you make it down to the Jackson area or below, give me a yell and I'll join you for some caching!!! And, if you already haven't check into MiGO, we're here if you'd like to join in! well I'm trying not to let it get to me. but it seems like no matter how I phrase it or anything when I ask a question about a cache as to why it got approved and a similar cache of mine gets denied and I try to find out why so I can learn what I'm doing wrong I piss everyone off and get called a cache cop. when all I'm trying to do is get a better understanding of what I may have over looked. and as far as getting south of Jackson goes I live by three rivers, MI. Best way to find your answers would be to read the guidelines for placement and, if you have questions, ask Rusty. Rusty really is a great reviewer, he's helpful and very knowledgeable of the cache placement guidelines!! I tend to avoid the reviewers do to the last time something like this happened I asked a reviewer what the difference was and he refused to discus it with me and just got all pissed off because I didn't have a perfect understand of the guidelines. and I did read them. and when I find a spot to place a cache I try to find a cache that is placed under the circumstances and conditions to review and use as a model for mine to insure that I didn't misunderstand anything. and that I'm not doing anything wrong. but when there's something as simple as a fence evolved that makes the difference and I over look that and everyone thinks that I have a secret agenda when I use a published cache as an example as to why it isn't braking the law or rules and mine was I get called a cache cop and I piss everyone off and they intern say things that piss me off like accusing me of having a secret agenda. so in other words it seems that almost everyone in this sport would rather get all pissed off it people that are trying to learn instead of helping them.

Thanks for pointing this out, and I was aware of that fact when writing my post, but I also considered the fact that in real life, anyone who works with wood in a shop, or even as a casual carpenter, would never bother to call such activities by the name "machining" -- except perhaps when working with some very hard exotic hardwoods (such as ironwood, which I use here sometimes... amazing stuff...) which are as hard as steel -- and rather, anyone halfway familiar with working wood would tend to use the terms "working", milling, or "turning", as you said. So, I chose not to bother to mention that possibility! However, I am still rather taken aback that the OP suddenly tried to shift the focus of the thread to the topic of machining metal! I guess that she/he got embarrassed at having their secret agenda discovered, and wanted to change the topic really quickly! . I didn't change the subject. I said that I never thought that a fence may be the difference that I didn't think about as to why my cache got denied and the others approved. and there was no secret agenda. just someone trying to get answers. so excuse me for not being the most eloquent speaker on the plaint. and for wording things wrong. Don't let it bother you, just live and learn!! If you make it down to the Jackson area or below, give me a yell and I'll join you for some caching!!! And, if you already haven't check into MiGO, we're here if you'd like to join in! well I'm trying not to let it get to me. but it seems like no matter how I phrase it or anything when I ask a question about a cache as to why it got approved and a similar cache of mine gets denied and I try to find out why so I can learn what I'm doing wrong I piss everyone off and get called a cache cop. when all I'm trying to do is get a better understanding of what I may have over looked. and as far as getting south of Jackson goes I live by three rivers, MI.

Thanks for pointing this out, and I was aware of that fact when writing my post, but I also considered the fact that in real life, anyone who works with wood in a shop, or even as a casual carpenter, would never bother to call such activities by the name "machining" -- except perhaps when working with some very hard exotic hardwoods (such as ironwood, which I use here sometimes... amazing stuff...) which are as hard as steel -- and rather, anyone halfway familiar with working wood would tend to use the terms "working", milling, or "turning", as you said. So, I chose not to bother to mention that possibility! However, I am still rather taken aback that the OP suddenly tried to shift the focus of the thread to the topic of machining metal! I guess that she/he got embarrassed at having their secret agenda discovered, and wanted to change the topic really quickly! . I didn't change the subject. I said that I never thought that a fence may be the difference that I didn't think about as to why my cache got denied and the others approved. and there was no secret agenda. just someone trying to get answers. so excuse me for not being the most eloquent speaker on the plaint. and for wording things wrong.

N 42° 01.588 W 085° 48.761 the cords to the cache that I tried to place. I let the reviewer know that it was in the parking lot of my mother dinner and that she gave me permission to place it. that you didn't have to cross the tracks and the the property line was well defined. but the reviewer denied it do to being within 150 feet of a rail line. so should the reviewer have allowed mine or not? if not than there are several caches out there that violate that law. Too bad the aerial views are so bad on the Google Earth maps for that area, but I looked at a few others maps. It seems to me (and I could be mistaken, because none of the maps were really good) that the one that was published was in a park-like setting, with a real fence and brushy barrier between the cache and the railroad tracks. Did the spot at the diner parking lot also have a solid fence and some sort of vegetation between the cache and the tracks? If your answer is yes, did you take photos of the area to show the reviewer? Or at least explain that? There can be exceptions made to the guideline and going those extra few steps to show the reviewer that you have thought of safety and the property isn't under the control of the RR can make all the difference in the world. And just FYI, one cache being published doesn't automatically mean a similar cache will also be published. Reviewers interpret guidelines differently, situations always have some mitigating circumstances no matter how identical they seem, and getting permission from the proper authorities isn't always made public knowledge. That's why I always start out asking nicely, in private, with the cache owner (who often has great advice to pass along) and then go to the reviewer if the CO hasn't helped me (but still staying "nice" and just inquiring to see if I can get some help). If that fails, I turn to trusted locals with some experience and ask them for advice. Busting someone out in the forums (local or national) when you are new is not a good way to endear yourself to the local caching community--no matter how indignant you are, how right you are, or how egregious the problem may be. We cachers tend to like to police ourselves whenever possible, and fix problems in a private and efficient manner so no one gets a bad mark in the books. I've seen some really nice people get off to a bad start in their caching community when a quiet approach probably would have resolved the issue and gained them a few new friends in the process. thanks for the info. no one machined the fence thing or the brush thing. that may be the difference that I was looking for. I wasn't trying to get on anyone's bad side or get caches dropped. I was just trying to figure out what the difference was that got the other caches published and not mine. and it seems that you are the only person on here that's willing to give me some good advice and help me learn instead of condemning me for it. thanks again for your advice and outlook on cache.

That's a sure fire way to impress your reviewer! While this is always an option, I'm amazed that Mtn-man would suggest going "nuclear" right off the bat. The reviewer usually has more personal knowledge of his/her reviewing area, the cache hider's reputation-style-problems, and usual or unusual circumstances. Plus, they usually respond faster. In my opinion it's always best to go to the reviewer with problems like this. As evidenced in this thread, getting a reputation as a "cache-cop" isn't the most desirable thing in the world for most folks. Deane AKA: DeRock & the Psychic Cacher - Grattan MI I'm not trying to be a cache cop. and as far as the reviewer goes when I asked him what the difference was between my cache and the one that I used as an example was so that I could fix mine he got pissed off and refused to discuss the matter. that is why I came here. to figure out why my cache that was placed was denied for being in violation of the law but a cache placed in the same way got approved. I'm trying to find out what I did wrong or if I even did do something wrong. but everyone wants to make me out as the bad guy for trying to get some answers so that I can keep this a respectable sport. but I guess that' just to much to ask for since everyone seams to only care about the numbers and not the law or the rules. or even helping a fellow cacher.

N 42° 01.588 W 085° 48.761 the cords to the cache that I tried to place. I let the reviewer know that it was in the parking lot of my mother dinner and that she gave me permission to place it. that you didn't have to cross the tracks and the the property line was well defined. but the reviewer denied it do to being within 150 feet of a rail line. so should the reviewer have allowed mine or not? if not than there are several caches out there that violate that law.

You shouldn't look the other way if you think the cache could lead to problems for another cacher or for GC.com. While I wouldn't become the cache police and start searching out problem caches merely because my cache was denied, I would report any which I run across while caching. that is what I did. I didn't look for problem caches. I noticed this one wile updating the caches to my gps. it is placed in the same way as the one I tried to place was. but mine was refused and this one was placed. and there are several others just like it. I'm not trying to start problems I'm just wondering why a cache that I placed on privet property (in the parking lot of my mothers dinner) got denied for being to close to a rail line but others like it get placed. if they got placed they must have followed the guidelines. and if mine was placed in the same way I must not have misread the guidelines. so again should my cache have been placed or are there caches in violation of the law?

I was told by the reviewer of my cache that I tried to place about 50 feet away from a rail road track that under no circumstance can you place a cache within 150 feet of an active rail road track do to federal law. but yet I have found several that violate that so is the reviewer of mine full of crap or are there hundreds or thousands of caches in violation of federal law?

how do I report a cache that is in violation of being to close to an active rail road track? (GC1KH3D) this is the gc code for the cache. I was told by the reviewer of my cache that I tried to place about 50 feet away from a rail road track that under no circumstance can you place a cache within 150 feet of an active rail road track do to federal law. but yet I have found several that violate that so is the reviewer of mine full of crap or are there hundreds or thousands of caches in violation of federal law? I didn't look for problem caches. I noticed this one wile updating the caches to my gps. it is placed in the same way as the I tried to place was. but mine was refused and this one was placed. and there are several others just like it. I'm not trying to start problems I'm just wondering why a cache that I placed on privet property (in the parking lot of my mothers dinner) got denied for being to close to a rail line but others like it get placed. if they got placed they must have followed the guidelines. and if mine was placed in the same way I must not have misread the guidelines. so again should my cache have been placed or are there caches in violation of the law? N 42° 01.588 W 085° 48.761 the cords to the cache that I tried to place. I let the reviewer know that it was in the parking lot of my mother dinner and that she gave me permission to place it. that you didn't have to cross the tracks and the the property line was well defined. but the reviewer denied it do to being within 150 feet of a rail line. so should the reviewer have allowed mine or not? if not than there are several caches out there that violate that law.

I started my first coin on it way about 2 weeks ago and someone grabbed it the first day and replaced the next. since then someone has grabbed it and has had it for a week now but the thing that concerns me is that on his profile page it shows that he has gotten about 40 caches since grabbing my coin 19 just today also he is placing coins that he grabbed after mine. so how long should I wait before I say something to him?

this is my first coin that I started and I put it in a new cache. well after the review I had to move the cache so on the coins track log it shows the first stop as being the place I couldn't have a cache at. is there a way that I can change that? if so how? thanks, cb12374

I went to my first event today and I got a geocoin buddy as a door prize. but there is no tracking number on it or activation code or anything just that is no regular trade item. what do I do with it?

I have a garmen gpsmap 76csx and at this time I can load 500 waypoints and that will cover the caches up to 25 miles from my home but I often travel up to 200 miles from home for work and would like to load more caches to cover that area so if I go from the 128mb chip that came with it to a 1 g will I be able to load more on it?

I found this cool spot up by Middleville, MI. wile filing in for the driver for my mom and step dad's sawmill that does not have a cache in it and I think a lot of people would like to see but I live south of Kalamazoo, MI. so I wouldn't be able to maintain it. so if someone volunteers to take it over would I be able to switch the ownership to them? and of so are there any volunteers?

is there any nation wide stores that carry geocaching items such as coins and trackables and containers? or if you are familiar with the Kalamazoo area of Michigan somewhere around there. thanks, cb12374

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