fivefoxes

OK, not to sound totally newbie and clueless (though I seem to be both), what is the satellite screen of which you speak? Those feet icons kinda rub me the wrong way, and the screen seems very inconsistent. So how do I get to the sat screen? And thanks! Edit: Duh, never mind!

Nothing. You need to understand that. You are human, look normal enough, and there is nothing about you that would casue you to be chosen by apperances alone. It's not personal or an indication that you have a problem. They would have to know you to know that you specificly need the word. If it's random, it's just that. Random. Understood. Just as I'm sure you can understand why some might find such scorched-earth evangelism bothersome to experience. A lot of things in this world I find bothersome to experience. That doesn't mean I get to stop them from happening. It doesn't mean I should get to stop them from happening. I can only try to make sure that I don't do it to other people. I don't recall ever advocating termination of the activity. My point was that, while others may have the right to stick their noses into my spiritual affairs, I have every right to smack their noses when they attempt to do so.

Nothing. You need to understand that. You are human, look normal enough, and there is nothing about you that would casue you to be chosen by apperances alone. It's not personal or an indication that you have a problem. They would have to know you to know that you specificly need the word. If it's random, it's just that. Random. Understood. Just as I'm sure you can understand why some might find such scorched-earth evangelism bothersome to experience.

You should probably not confuse the kind of thinking that burns folks like Joan of Arc at the stake for someone who actually is interested in the souls of other people including random strangers who they can't reach any other way than by tracts. There are all kinds of tracts in the world who's goal is to reach folks they can't reach directly. I have these plastic Leave No Trace thingies that do exactly what tracts do. I got them in a cache. Applying flasks logic, it was rude of the leave no trace folks to think I was somehow deficient. Applying your logic those leave no trace folks are as misguided as the Salem Elders tossing a suspected witch in the water to see if they drown. Actually, there's no confusion, as the only parallels I drew were regarding the ineffectiveness of each to save souls, as well as their all being sprung from the breast of religious fervor. Any further attribution of likeness is solely in the mind of the reader.

I can only guess, maybe because you are human. Sorry, but that seems a tad evasive. Is it your contention that simply because I am human I am in need of some specific sort of spiritual salvation, whether I believe in it or not? If someone comes up to you to "proselytize" to you for all they know you might belong to the exact same church in a different town. I don't believe they choose you because of who you are, what you have done, what you believe or what kind of salvation you might be in need of. They choose you because of what they believe. They believe that they are commanded to show others the "light". I should add that I only surmise why they do what they do since I don't proselytize. Well then, for those who follow the blanket-preaching plan of spiritual onslaught, I would say they are certainly welcome to their beliefs, but would be wise to be prepared to actively defend their methods if directed toward me. I consider their techniques every bit as misguided and efficacious as the Inquisitions and witch-hunts for securing the safety of souls. That said, I repeat, I find tracts in caches innocuous.

Since the topic is about placing religious material in caches, I think then that you would agree that it would not fall under the label of "I'm right, and like it or not, you need to listen to me" I agree completely. I am offended by religious material in caches no more than by a Bazooka Joe bubble gum comic. In fact, I find the tracts considerably more entertaining, if, by my lights, infinitely more misguided.

I can only guess, maybe because you are human. Sorry, but that seems a tad evasive. Is it your contention that simply because I am human I am in need of some specific sort of spiritual salvation, whether I believe in it or not?

Interesting... I think it all comes down to the motives of the person providing the "information". What motivation could I have in walking up to someone who is mentally retarded and pointing it out to them? I think it boils down to "Choice" in your example. A person's spirituality is a matter of "Choice". Mental retardation is not a matter of choice. A better example would be walking up to someone who is smoking and letting them know that if they continue smoking, they may get lung cancer and die. Is my motivation to get on my high horse and thumb my nose down at them or is my motivation out of true concern and love? If I don't know the person, it would be difficult to have a true concern for them personally, wouldn't it? It's always best to build a relationship with someone and then in that context share the gospel with them. I've seen many people's lives changed through that route. Rarely have I ever seen someone's life changed through someone at a booth at the state fair telling them they are going to hell. I'd agree that motivation plays a part, but only to an extent. But regarding your example, when you counsel someone about their smoking, you're addressing a health issue and making a contention that is backed by veritable mountains of supporting data. There is no doubt, and there is no question, that smoking endangers your health. Even the tobacco companies have conceded as much. You're showing a concern because you know, and everyone knows, that smoking can kill. Still, how you go about expressing your concern and at what point you back off and acknowledge the other's free will and right to choose to smoke, or not, goes along way toward determining whether you're being kind or being a pushy knowitall. That said, when you attempt to share your gospel with someone who you think is somehow endangering his soul, you're making a contention that is backed not by any empirical, undisputed evidence, but rather by opinion and belief. You're making an a priori assumption that you are right in your contention that this person is in some eternal danger, and that they require your intervention to avoid such a despicable fate. You're attempting to give this person guidance. If this person is amenable and accepting of your spiritual generosity, then your assertiveness is vindicated. But if they are not, and you do not back down, then and there, you are pretty much guilty of some serious spiritual arrogance, the kind that states, unequivocally, I'm right, and like it or not, you need to listen to me. So while motivation can indeed play a part, so can the method and extent of delivery, as well as the degree of veracity of that which is being offered.

Maybe if you provide an example. I don't buy your argument that anyone is claiming that others are "spirituall deficient". Those are your words and your interpretation. Just because you insist that is what they are saying doesn't, in itself, make it true. If I may ask, when a believer decides to proselytize to me, what is it about me that has made me a viable target? That is, what is it about me that makes them feel their "message" is needed and justified?

If it stopped there? Probably not. In your view where does pushing begin and sharing end? Well, I have to post for the first time somewhere, so why not here? If someone asks me if I want some cake, they are not pushing, they are sharing. If I say no, thank you, I don't want any cake, and the person insists on trying to feed it to me, they are then pushing.

I'm new to geocaching, but I've got my sons involved, and I know we're going to get more into it. The Boss, my wife, is OK with a GPS as long as she can use it on the road. Does anybody have an experience with the nuvi 500? As a cross-over, how big is the compromise? Is it too good to be true, as in, something for everybody?