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Manville Possum

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  1. 35 minutes ago, colleda said:

     Here, COs either fix their cache or it goes ignored and gets archived, mostly by a reviewer. 


    I recall when I started this game 10 years ago we had reviewers that would do a clean up of listings with DNF's, but now it's common to see found the location but not the cache, or log was wet so we replaced it. Not much a reviewer can do when people quit logging DNF and such to alert them. 

  2. 42 minutes ago, Team Microdot said:

    I guess I can cross you off the suspect list as a source of the numerous complaints I was told had been made when I enquired as to why I'd been given a timeout a few months back :wub:

    Truthfully, one of the few times I complained about a post resulted in me getting a time out. You can't even report in private here without fear. :mad:

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  3. 29 minutes ago, Team Microdot said:

    Yep - all I've done is converse with you via the Internet from thousands of miles away and you've still rubbed all my skin off - I'm red-raw here! :lol:


    If it makes you feel better, I do have most of the other regulars here on my ignore list. :D I'm sure the waymarkers are glad to be rid of me telling them the flaws I see in their game, but that's just because I no longer care about Waymarking. B)

  4. 28 minutes ago, Team Microdot said:

    Yes - you're doing it wrong, you need to mollycoddle these people for fear of ruffling their delicate sensibilities.

    You could soften the blow even more by first asking them if it's OK to ask them about their geocache, just in case they happen to be supremely sensitive.


    I could not agree with with you more. But if you were to ask anyone that has ever contacted me asking for help, they would tell you that I was one of the best cache owners that would go out of my way to help you. Here in the forums, I'm abrasive like a possum. :)

  5. 50 minutes ago, hzoi said:

    I don't believe I said anything about good or bad geocacher.  I haven't looked for your logs, so I'm not going off anything specific.  But if you write them with the same...what's a good word for it?  Candor, I suppose...that I've seen on some of your posts in the forum, then others may see you as less helping, more sniping.

    I don't normally pull punches with inactive COs; I'll post NA and call them out as absentees.  But if a CO is active, there's the option of first contacting them offline vice leaving an NM or NA log.  I don't always use it, but it can come in handy.  If they don't respond, I then can in good conscience post an NM or NA log, including the information that I tried contacting the CO offline about it but got no response.  It tends to strip away the huffy defense of "Well, you could have just told me about it," if I can demonstrate that I tried and they ignored it.

    That's not in the rules, that's not even the way I expect others to do it.  Just my occasional technique, for consideration.


    And if I play different than you, then I'm doing it wrong? I just use the cache page and play the game accordingly. 

    But I do admit, from what I see you post here in the forums, I too have formed an opinion of you that has nothing to do with your style of geocaching. 

  6. 22 minutes ago, hzoi said:

    Maybe it's not what you're saying, but how you say it.

    Are you trying to be helpful and toning your logs that way?  Are you coming across as the local cache cop, wondering out loud why the reviewer isn't keeping up faster with your logs?  Something in between?

    If your technique is to call people out in public and demand action on their caches, then that's not going to help anything, other than to inspire people to roll their eyes every time they see a log with your name on it.


    I keep it simple and to the point. Not many ways to sugar coat a DNF, but needs cache owners or needs reviewers attention is my normal NM or NA log, if you consider that calling out another geocacher then I'm guilty. 

    I actually try not to upset other geocachers, but even posting corrected coordinates and pictures (non spoiler) of the logs I sign has upset some. But I see your point, once you have made one cacher angry by playing the game then the rest of their friends take the side against you so dare not attend events because you are not welcome in their group of friends. 

    And yes, posting logs accordingly got me on the short list. No reason to lie about it. Most of the locals, like this topic, own too many caches that they won't maintain unless someone like me comes along and a reviewer gets involved. So that makes me a bad geocacher?


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  7. 5 hours ago, Team Microdot said:

    I had a look at that last night and couldn't see any reason why the reviewer would get bent out of shape - maybe they just had a bad day - we all have those.


    It seems I have a bad day every time I post logs accordingly here locally. I posted NM on one cache with no finds in four years, which most likely was one of those little nano tubes pushed into the ground, the result was the owner posted: Archived!. Another listing with DNF's piling up over two years I posted NM, the result was the CO posted armchair maintenance that they would check it. These are experienced geocachers that own 300 + listings.

    Many of the logs on some of the hiking caches which are micros in the woods have those canned copy/paste logs from group cachers that replace the missing ones along the trail as needed.

    Another geocachers listing I flagged responded by archiving the caches and posted that they are physically unable to maintain their caches.

    I understand what having a bad day is. If the reviewer had communicated to me and asked what's going on with the cache you posted NA on, I could have explained in detail, but they chose to ask on the cache page then got upset when I responded there. I was already having a bad day because I posted logs accordingly and did not give in to following the pattern of add a log or container.

    I feel it's my fault as a veteran geocacher that placed and maintained high quality History caches that when this game degraded into PT's or so called geoart that it's just not the same game that attracted me 10 years ago. It's time that I move on and not let it bother me, it's just a game and it changed into something I don't enjoy anymore because I'm a solo cacher that don't play it for the numbers.

    This game can't function properly without reviewers and players that will post DNF, NM, and NA accordingly. And truthfully, I don't see the same pattern in other areas. I see reviewers temp disable listings with several DNF's, but maybe players contact them by PM with the GC code to avoid what I encounter by posting NM or NA.


  8. 4 hours ago, Michaelcycle said:

    Well, he got the bicycle part right. If there is a god, she surely rides a bicycle:D

    Count me as another that would prefer they get back to granting souvenirs for caching in [places (countries or lesser bounded designations)


    I ride a vintage 1977 Murrary 5 speed with reduced gear ratio and fat tires that is equipped to haul my fishing poles and gear. :D It's got that "mug the next guy" look about it when I ride the greenbelts. B)

  9. 1 hour ago, Team Microdot said:

    I can't help wondering why, if the reviewer considered your response in a public forum somehow out of order they asked the question in a public forum in the first place?

    Can't help thinking it was an opportunity missed.

    I don't understand it myself, but because I flagged the cache NM a few months ago and corrected the coordinates for other players that posted problems with it being waterlogged in their logs that the reviewer note was addressed to me after posting NA so I responded to it there on the cache page

    . I'll send you a PM of the GC code if you would like.

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  10. 12 minutes ago, Keystone said:

    Well, you are in a public forum now, so thanks for removing any doubt. <_<

    After your recent posts, I checked to see if there were any unanswered "Needs Archived" requests from your account.  Every one of them had been actioned.  Submitting a Needs Archived log is not a guarantee that the underlying cache will be archived.  Sometimes a reviewer puts that cache on a bookmark list and checks again a month later.


    I posted NM and better coordinates on that listing a few months ago, and I'm just not willing to maintain it for a player that is no longer active. I fail to see where I'm wrong in doing so.

  11. 32 minutes ago, Team Microdot said:

    Seriously? :o

    Did said reviewer explain why they felt justified in scolding you?


    They asked by posting a reviewer note on a cache page that I posted NA on what the problem was and I responded there to the reviewer note that it was holding water and we needed help from a reviewer on flagged listings and less players that only add paper to the pile of mush. The reviewer said I was slamming him in a public forum. I don't see it that way.


  12. 16 minutes ago, hukilaulau said:

    This is interesting. It would be encouraging if I weren't so cynical. Recently I considered starting a thread asking if this was STILL an acceptable maintenance plan, as I have seen examples of this within the past two years or so in CT, TX, NV and NM. Has the original PT cancer that started this whole thing been archived yet? I haven't looked at it in awhile. Maybe I'll start posting NA notes on strings where the perpetrator has explicitly stated that they are not going to maintain their caches. I'll report back! Maybe the rank and file does have a way of clawing back and getting rid of some of this stuff. Like working together to clear a wetlands or river basin of invasive species! Could be fun...


    Now that spring is here I have been active geocaching and dared posting NA and NM on a few caches that the owners are not caring for which resulted in a PM to me from the local reviewer scolding me. I've came to expect this from cache owners that respond to nothing but an NA posted to their listings, but the local reviewer? :mad:

    I'm just tired of seeing stacks of DNF's and NM on caches in my area that need a clean up. Most of the community here will just add a log or container and post that in their found log.

    So good luck with your venture, I'll be interested in reading your report. B)

  13. 44 minutes ago, Keystone said:

    This is a flawed belief, on a number of levels.  To the contrary, Geocaching HQ has established heightened expectations for reviewers to keep tabs on cache maintenance issues.  This includes an obligation to monitor caches flagged through the Health Score algorithm, and caches that have been temporarily disabled for an extended period of time.

    As part of the heightened expectations, volunteers are empowered, with approval from HQ, to push back and tell a cache owner that their ability to publish new caches will be restricted until their maintenance behavior improves.  I've personally taken advantage of that option on three occasions and I know that other reviewers have done the same. 

    In addition, HQ has supported volunteers when we've pushed back on power trails, or individual caches, where the owner's stated maintenance plan was to let the community take care of any maintenance needs.  This is not an acceptable cache maintenance plan.  HQ has also issued public guidance regarding "throwdown" caches.

    So, per the topic of the thread, when there's a sense that a CO has "too many caches," there are now remedies available whereas five years ago, there really weren't. 

    I welcome you to look at my recent NM and NA logs. They tell me different.

  14. 22 minutes ago, L0ne.R said:


    People are constantly trying to challenge the structure of the pastime, most often in the name of numbers-style play. It's unfortunate Groundspeak succumbed to anger, greed, and selfishness. Then worked on tools to make it easier and quicker to get power trails posted.



    Locally it's set em' and forget em' and let the community maintain em'. I believe Groundspeak has made their volunteers aware that this is acceptable from what I'm seeing. 

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  15. 1 hour ago, skyraider said:

    Just have to let off a little steam. Looking for opinions.

    Over 10 years ago, the W. V. Wildlife Management Area folks up in the Northern part of my state decided that Geocaches were "Abandoned Property" and confiscated them in our Area. Check out PAFARMBOY's terrific caches-(MENSA OR MEATHEAD..WHICH ONE ARE YOU, GCYCVP) or (LESS THINKING....MORE HIKING, GC11WP7) which he had to archive. I have not been been permitted to hide tupperware on these large parcels of land since. 



    Sorry, but after visiting Logan and riding the Rock House Trail for the oldest cache in the State and Bear Wallow, all the caches in the area there ARE "Abandoned Property".

    I picked up the litter and replaced what I could with new containers for the next seekers.

    I do believe that about the same time my home State of Virginia deemed geocaches on National Forest property to be abandoned property as well, and no new cache placements are allowed without a special use permit for $60 per year per geocache.

    I hate to say it, but I agree with the Wildlife Management people in your State because of poor cache ownership.

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  16. 8 hours ago, justintim1999 said:

    I'll assume your reviewer is a straight shooter so is the problem more of a lack or fear of posting the correct logs by your local geocaching community?


    It's more like our reviewer is a slacker or there is no such thing as a health score. Stacks of DNF's piling up over a span of two years. I believe that better management on the reviewer level would help. I've recently flagged NM and NA on a few listings but the reviewer must be too busy to be bothered. 

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